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Old 01-22-2020, 07:35 PM   #26
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I just got the letter in the mail today

The 05 Legacy had the passenger airbag replaced a few years ago. I haven't gotten any notices about the 08 Outback, and this notice doesn't say which car.
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" URGENT
IMPORTANT SAFETY RECALL

This notice applies to the VIN below"
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Old 01-22-2020, 07:40 PM   #27
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I don't care.

Subaru forced my wife and I to sit in the back seat of the car for 3 months to replace the air bag the first time around. There was absolutely ZERO indication that what we were receiving was another faulty airbag. None.

How hard would that have been? "We don't have a new airbag design yet, but to avoid killing you with a 4 year old airbag, we'll replace it with a new one to hold you over while we make some new ones".

Transparency, that's all I'm asking for. I understand that Takata was the one that f'd up, not Subaru, or Honda, or VW or whatever company, but just be forthcoming with information to your consumers.

It pissed me off enough that Subaru sold a 2014 Outback with a faulty airbag, AFTER these issues were well known and documented, let alone replace the damn airbag with the same faulty ****.

Done. Just Done. I've already done the research on our next vehicle and am just waiting for a few things to play out financially, this car will not be with us for much longer. Subaru is officially off my list for the foreseeable future.
Jesus christ get over yourself.
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Old 01-22-2020, 11:07 PM   #28
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You seem like a customer subaru would gladly be OK with leaving. Service advisors must love it when you step in to a dealership.
Some of you may think it's funny but I have to wait until June to get mine replaced. I get that Subaru didn't make the airbags but it's kind of unacceptable to leave owners driving around for almost a calendar year with a known defective air bag. Subaru is really going down the crapper in recent years as it's not like airbags are the only recalls going on with their vehicles and their engines in particular just aren't very good.
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Old 01-23-2020, 08:12 AM   #29
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It's only unacceptable because it's affecting YOU, but it's not just a Subaru problem. Also, the recalls are them overcorrecting in hopes of preventing anything major, which I'm fine with. I casually got all my recall work completed recently, and my Impreza has almost 70k. It still drives strong, despite Alaskans crashing into it twice last year, requiring costly repairs.

The comment about their engines is definitely subjective. I still find my FB20DI to be spunky enough to whip through traffic even at 65 mph and up through 80 mph. Especially with paddle shifters.
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Old 01-23-2020, 08:19 AM   #30
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https://www.autonews.com/automakers-...nflator-defect

anuary 21, 2020 05:03 PM
UPDATED 21 HOURS AGO
Honda to recall 2.4M U.S. vehicles for new airbag inflator defect

WASHINGTON -- Honda Motor Co. is recalling 2.7 million older U.S. vehicles in North America for potentially defective airbag inflators.

The defect involves a different type of Takata inflator than those that have prompted the largest-ever auto safety recalls worldwide covering more than 42 million U.S. vehicles by 19 automakers with Takata airbag inflators.

The new recall covers Honda and Acura automobiles from the 1996 through 2003 model years. Honda said it is aware of one field rupture of a inflator in the new recall campaign - a 2012 crash in Texas that resulted in an injury - and two in junkyards in Japan.

The campaign covers 2.4 million U.S. vehicles and 300,000 in Canada, Honda said, adding that it has not determined recall numbers for other countries.

Takata issued a new defect notice in November for inflators from four automakers, including Honda.

Honda said all three vehicles "potentially were exposed to unusually high amounts of moisture prior to the rupture events."

Honda said the recalls cover driver front airbag inflators manufactured with non-azide propellant and said "all inspections and repairs will begin in approximately one year, as replacement parts from alternative suppliers are not yet available."

Honda said it "regrets any inconvenience or distress that this situation may cause to our customers as we seek to resolve this situation. Honda believes that the risk of improper airbag deployment in its vehicles remains very low at this time, but we cannot absolutely guarantee the performance of any recalled part."

Toyota Motor Corp. said on Wednesday it is recalling 361,000 older vehicles worldwide for for the same type of Takata inflator that Honda is recalling. Toyota's recall covers some 1998-2000 Toyota RAV4, 1998-99 RAV4 EV, 1998-99 Celica and 1997-98 Model Year Supra vehicles with a non-azide front driver airbag inflator, including 139,000 in the United States.
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Old 01-23-2020, 12:50 PM   #31
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You seem like a customer subaru would gladly be OK with leaving. Service advisors must love it when you step in to a dealership.
Projecting much? My frustration is with Subaru as a corporation, not any individual who represents the company. Sorry, but try again.

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Jesus christ get over yourself.
You need to learn how to empathize, instead of staying stuck in your small little world. This impacts real people. Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. We bought an outback - a family car, for our family, and we couldn't use it for months because one of the seats is rendered useless. Okay, fine, whatever. Annoying, but I got over it, we have another car. But now we find out that the airbag they replaced is ALSO faulty and never told us as such? Sorry, but that's just unacceptable. In what other industry could someone replace a faulty part with another known faulty part and not tell you about it? That's some shady ****, and it annoys me.

Had I owned a Honda, I might be just as pissed if they handled it the same way Subaru did... Months of a useless car, un-empathetic responses from SOA, and absolutely zero concessions. However, I know folks who have had a Honda with the recall, and their replacement was completed quick and in a hurry. Less than a week from the call to replacement. I waited Months. And SOA's response was just that it's up to the dealerships to schedule the replacements, but parts are available... Maybe it's just the local dealer network is overloaded, but Subaru should have stepped up and helped out the dealer networks to get this done in reasonable time frames.
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:04 PM   #32
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Projecting much? My frustration is with Subaru as a corporation, not any individual who represents the company. Sorry, but try again.



You need to learn how to empathize, instead of staying stuck in your small little world. This impacts real people. Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. We bought an outback - a family car, for our family, and we couldn't use it for months because one of the seats is rendered useless. Okay, fine, whatever. Annoying, but I got over it, we have another car. But now we find out that the airbag they replaced is ALSO faulty and never told us as such? Sorry, but that's just unacceptable. In what other industry could someone replace a faulty part with another known faulty part and not tell you about it? That's some shady ****, and it annoys me.

Had I owned a Honda, I might be just as pissed if they handled it the same way Subaru did... Months of a useless car, un-empathetic responses from SOA, and absolutely zero concessions. However, I know folks who have had a Honda with the recall, and their replacement was completed quick and in a hurry. Less than a week from the call to replacement. I waited Months. And SOA's response was just that it's up to the dealerships to schedule the replacements, but parts are available... Maybe it's just the local dealer network is overloaded, but Subaru should have stepped up and helped out the dealer networks to get this done in reasonable time frames.
Related to your situation; when I called about my 2006 they told me "don't let anyone ride in the passenger seat" which would have been fine, except that my son sits behind the passenger seat every day. Now if there is nobody in the front seat to stop the shrapnel, and a hole in the headrest, where will the shrapnel go? right to the back passenger, not to mention any that would ping-pong around the interior.

I explained my case to the dealer, and they put me in a complimentary loaner until the work was performed (3-4 months IIRC). Now it's the next owners problem to deal with since I no longer own the car.

My in-laws had to wait a long time to get their first one replaced (9+ months IIRC) they are now going to have to get it replaced again, but they have three vehicles so it's not as big a deal for them, and didn't mind the restriction last time around, but they are calling the local dealer to "get in line" to get it replaced. Now it's a little different as Toyota has a recall for airbags & seat belt issues related to the ECU which is unrelated to the Takata recall, so they are down to one vehicle with no open recalls.
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:26 PM   #33
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Related to your situation; when I called about my 2006 they told me "don't let anyone ride in the passenger seat" which would have been fine, except that my son sits behind the passenger seat every day. Now if there is nobody in the front seat to stop the shrapnel, and a hole in the headrest, where will the shrapnel go? right to the back passenger, not to mention any that would ping-pong around the interior.
I thought the airbag won't even blow if no one is sitting at the seat. Otherwise even the driver wouldn't be safe?
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:39 PM   #34
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I thought the airbag won't even blow if no one is sitting at the seat. Otherwise even the driver wouldn't be safe?
I wasn't betting my sons life on a 14 year old occupancy sensor.
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Old 01-23-2020, 03:21 PM   #35
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I mean, I get the "worry" about putting a family member in that seat. But, what I don't get is not understanding the actual odds of it happening. I'd wager that the amount of accidents per day would show the odds of getting into an accident that is actually severe enough to kill it's occupants no matter what airbags were in them or how good they were are much greater.

A couple dozen deaths. Not a crazy amount more injured(by numbers, that is) out of TENS OF MILLIONS of these on the road and how many have EVER deployed with no incident. The only ones I may/would have empathy for are those in the "affected areas". The high humidity, coastal state areas.



I do wonder though, how much manufacturers knew they were performing these replacements with bad units.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:07 PM   #36
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Yay both of my cars are on that list and I had them fixed last year.

Plus got my WRX back with scratches on the shift knob and center console. Looking forward to round 2.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:38 PM   #37
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I mean, I get the "worry" about putting a family member in that seat. But, what I don't get is not understanding the actual odds of it happening. I'd wager that the amount of accidents per day would show the odds of getting into an accident that is actually severe enough to kill it's occupants no matter what airbags were in them or how good they were are much greater.
Would you sit in a seat if someone had a gun to your head and said they'd shoot if the driver got into an accident? Your fault or not? Someone blows a red light and boom. gone.

I'm sorry, but it's not even a discussion. There are plenty of other things out there that could kill you, but you usually can't control those. This is one you can control. You either have the gun to your head, or you don't... pretty easy to make that decision, imo. But maybe my sense of self-preservation is a little different.
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Old 01-23-2020, 06:50 PM   #38
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It's raining today. So, I'm not gonna walk outside cause I don't wanna get hit by lightning.
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