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Old 01-23-2020, 09:27 PM   #426
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Oof.

He's got a point. VIR or bust.

Still weaker than S209 tho.
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:31 PM   #427
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Oof.

He's got a point. VIR or bust.

Still weaker than S209 tho.



But what if you put a 3” downpipe and a tune in it?
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:48 PM   #428
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Honestly guys, what can compare with a S209 fitted with a catless downpipe? Definitely not a super cool DSG equipped 760 HP Mustang.
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:53 PM   #429
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But what if you put a 3” downpipe and a tune in it?
That's literally the first thing everyone does with these cars.
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Old 01-23-2020, 11:57 PM   #430
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What kind of idiot would choose 91oct over 93!

A FUNNY GUY that’s who!!!

TRUTH!!!
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Old 01-24-2020, 01:06 AM   #431
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With all due respect.....my logic is simple if you are reading: There is far more evidence therefore....show me PROOF

I mean who's trolling???? LOL.
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:06 AM   #432
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But wait.. where are all the twins? A bunch are in the Solo Spec Coupe class (because they all bitched about constantly losing to MX-5s for years and TireRack saw an opportunity to sell an upgrade package to a bunch of autocrossers) and the rest moved on to Street Touring Xtreme (STX).
https://www.tirerack.com/images/pdf/...Spec_Coupe.pdf



You'll notice that with aftermarket springs and control arms the BRZ/FRS is nearly as fast as the "stock" MX-5.
Point of order... SSC would be faster than CS if they weren't running on the required spec POS Falkens.

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Old 01-24-2020, 12:11 PM   #433
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LOL! FUNNY GUY! VIR IS THE ONLY TRACK THAT COUNTS! LMFAO!
Thanks for that. I'm about 0.42 seconds away from flashing back and going Full Rainman. I'll just be in corner rocking back and forth while repetitively mumbling VIR...five second advantage...91 octane...downpipe and a tune...
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Old 01-24-2020, 01:57 PM   #434
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What kind of idiot would choose 91oct over 93!

A FUNNY GUY that’s who!!!

TRUTH!!!
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little ****ed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to ****in' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:42 AM   #435
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So back to BRZs, how do folks feel about Toyota building the next gen this time around?
I love what Subaru is doing lately in some of their their newer top-trim cars (steering-responsive LED headlights is just one small example.) Does this mean we’re at the mercy of what only Toyota puts in this new BRZ, or could it have Subaru-designed body parts as well? How jointly-designed will the car be, knowing it’ll be built on Toyota’s new platform?
I generally find Toyota’s to be fairly lackluster and soulless when it comes to interior design and sometimes exterior design. I like the Supra’s looks, but that’s mostly BMW’s doings.
I hope this new one is more Subaru than Toyota is what I’m trying to say.
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Old 01-25-2020, 09:15 AM   #436
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My 6MT corolla hatchback came standard with radar cruise, collision warning, lane keep assist with lane centering, blind spot monitoring, automatic high beam dimming, road sign detection, LED high and low beams, and LED taillights. Even the base trims come with all that. I also optioned the couple hundred dollar headlights that steer with the steering angle. The seats fit really well and the dash materials are very nice.

This is the base model interior on the hatchback. I have the XSE.



I loved my FR-S — and I’m looking at getting another twin — but the the body integrity, interior quality, and overall NVH was flat out bad. They nailed the stuff that mattered for an engaging little sports coupe that was just big enough to be dad friendly. I’m using an FR-S seat in my sim cockpit.

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Old 01-25-2020, 03:44 PM   #437
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My 6MT corolla hatchback came standard with radar cruise, collision warning, lane keep assist with lane centering, blind spot monitoring, automatic high beam dimming, road sign detection, LED high and low beams, and LED taillights. Even the base trims come with all that. I also optioned the couple hundred dollar headlights that steer with the steering angle. The seats fit really well and the dash materials are very nice.

This is the base model interior on the hatchback. I have the XSE.



I loved my FR-S — and I’m looking at getting another twin — but the the body integrity, interior quality, and overall NVH was flat out bad. They nailed the stuff that mattered for an engaging little sports coupe that was just big enough to be dad friendly. I’m using an FR-S seat in my sim cockpit.

I don’t want a lot of that stuff in a “sports car”. The main problem for me with the brz has been the power. Fit and finish are great...don’t get me wrong but I would rather have an entertaining drive. If this thing comes out with a turbo and stays under 3000 lbs then I will consider it for a DD and tune it to over 300 hp. Fit and finish will be good enough for me especially considering the likely price.
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My 6MT corolla hatchback came standard with radar cruise, collision warning, lane keep assist with lane centering, blind spot monitoring, automatic high beam dimming, road sign detection,:
These "aids" don't help people drive better, but makes them worse and less attentive.
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Old 01-25-2020, 04:22 PM   #439
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I don’t want a lot of that stuff in a “sports car”. The main problem for me with the brz has been the power. Fit and finish are great...don’t get me wrong but I would rather have an entertaining drive. If this thing comes out with a turbo and stays under 3000 lbs then I will consider it for a DD and tune it to over 300 hp. Fit and finish will be good enough for me especially considering the likely price.
EXACTLY THIS. I don’t think anybody wants a heavy luxo-barge made out of the BRZ. Just more torque. A lot more. Done.
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Old 01-25-2020, 06:18 PM   #440
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These "aids" don't help people drive better, but makes them worse and less attentive.


Yep and they drive even worse with those because they know they have these “aids” to help them. It’s a viscous circle.
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Old 01-25-2020, 06:23 PM   #441
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Been spending time on the FT86/BRZ forums trying to glean any info.

Holy cow.

It is a VERY different demographic there. I think the vape has taken it’s toll hard.

Just sayin’.
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EXACTLY THIS. I don’t think anybody wants a heavy luxo-barge made out of the BRZ. Just more torque. A lot more. Done.


You were literally the guy concerned that the next gen twin wouldn’t have the higher trim niceties that Subaru is offering today. I only mentioned all that because Toyota offers the same stuff.


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These "aids" don't help people drive better, but makes them worse and less attentive.


And where did I say it made people better drivers? bramzy was talking about steering headlights so I gave examples of where Toyota has similar tech.

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I would not want any lane keep assist, adaptive cruise control, or any other electronic nannies that control the car for you on a BRZ/FRS, or any sports/sporty car period. I'm not opposed to the other niceties like LED headlights/taillights and auto/rain-sensing wipers though.
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You were literally the guy concerned that the next gen twin wouldn’t have the higher trim niceties that Subaru is offering today. I only mentioned all that because Toyota offers the same stuff.
I'm talking about updated LED steering headlights and a good headunit. Does that justify a heavy luxo-barge? Themz must be some HEAVY freakin' headlights.
I'm glad Toyota is doing some of those same things - I didn't know they did until you got into the high dollar cars. Good to see that tech water-falling to the pedestrian stuff.
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I would not want any lane keep assist, adaptive cruise control, or any other electronic nannies that control the car for you on a BRZ/FRS, or any sports/sporty car period. I'm not opposed to the other niceties like LED headlights/taillights and auto/rain-sensing wipers though.
Absolutely - don't need any of that. But good headlights would be awesome.
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I'm talking about updated LED steering headlights and a good headunit. Does that justify a heavy luxo-barge? Themz must be some HEAVY freakin' headlights.

I'm glad Toyota is doing some of those same things - I didn't know they did until you got into the high dollar cars. Good to see that tech water-falling to the pedestrian stuff.


I wasn’t the one saying that the car should be a luxury barge or that those items would make it that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

With IIHS now testing headlight effectiveness and only giving top safety pick on ones that offer the good headlights as a standard feature, we will be see more of the steering headlights across lineups.

With electric steering, like the twins already have, the only add’l weight is the camera above the rear view mirror in order to add lane centering. Lane centering isn’t necessary but it is definitely nice when doing a long 4+ hr drive. I feel less fatigue on those drives when I have that tech. I turn it off in the rain, though, because it has the same sensation as hydroplaning and is unnerving.
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Old 01-26-2020, 01:14 AM   #447
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So back to BRZs, how do folks feel about Toyota building the next gen this time around?
I love what Subaru is doing lately in some of their their newer top-trim cars (steering-responsive LED headlights is just one small example.) Does this mean we’re at the mercy of what only Toyota puts in this new BRZ, or could it have Subaru-designed body parts as well? How jointly-designed will the car be, knowing it’ll be built on Toyota’s new platform?
I generally find Toyota’s to be fairly lackluster and soulless when it comes to interior design and sometimes exterior design. I like the Supra’s looks, but that’s mostly BMW’s doings.
I hope this new one is more Subaru than Toyota is what I’m trying to say.
What you see now is Toyota. I would like to see more Subaru as well; but, if it's not on SGP(or just something Subaru), I'm out. Depending on final reveal, it will probably be out 100%.

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Yep and they drive even worse with those because they know they have these “aids” to help them. It’s a viscous circle.
I'm sure that's the case for a number of people; but, I have talked to countless folks saying all that has made them a better driver....


...All those warnings bug them soo much that they try to do better to not have them go off.

Some certainly just turn them off; but, most say "why" when they are there to help in the "what if" scenario.

Worst drivers or better, it's a proven fact these systems have reduced accidents in the cars with them; so, how is it a bad thing?
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Yeah, NGL, I don't want a car without some sort of blind spot monitoring. No idea why things like that get knocked, it's another layer of information for any driver good or bad to use when making decisions about driving.
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Rear and front cameras are dope. Cars are expensive to repair and parking spots only get tighter as cars increase in size, so more monitoring are definitely necessary.
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Old 01-26-2020, 09:24 AM   #450
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I have a request then.
Can Subaru PLEASE ditch the damn existing camera setup and figure out some other way to do that besides the bulbous saggy boobs in the middle of the windshield?
I always put a dark tinted ghetto stripe across the top of my windshields and Eyesight prevents that now and it SUCKS.
Constant blinding in my new Ascent. The sun visors cannot be pulled to the middle either so I have this wide open gap right in my vision where the sun likes to sit and burn out my retinas. And yes, I’ve got dark shades on.
Also, it makes for EXPENSIVE windshield repairs. $1,200 Ascent windshield because the system has to be recalibrated.
I live in CO. We go through windshields here like tanks of gas.
Figure out something different with the cameras Subaru!

Subaru is all about safety, yet their Eyesight system has ended up causing some of the most dangerous situations for me and the wife we’ve ever had in a vehicle in the past 20 years. Driving through Denver southbound I25 during rush hour during sundown has always been challenging due to where the sun sits. We literally have no way to combat this in the new Ascent because of the Eyesight cameras. I’ve heard a others complain about this at the dealer too, and the sales guys/girls talk about it.

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