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Old 09-27-2011, 04:07 AM   #176
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The one thing that is slipping through the cracks is the fact that P&L and only P&L is building engines making close to or @ 1000hp to the crank that will run again and again down the track and not fail. This is an epic development in Subaru engine development that no one else has been able to achive, If you are in the market for a built motor there should be little doubt of where to go.
Sorry to interrupt... This ^^^is a bold statement and untrue...

ESX's motors built by Keegan Engineering (from 2007 or 2008 till 2010) made 1400 HP to the crank and would last the whole season (20 or more passes) and then only need to be refreshed.

So that epic development you are talking about occurred 4-5 years ago with +400 HP.
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Old 09-27-2011, 05:56 AM   #177
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Good to Know I had never heard of them or seen any of their 1400hp engines. I also haven't heard of another drag car using a Keegan engines are any other cars here on Nasioc running their 1400 hp motors? I would love to hear some more details besides the one ESX build?. I have used Rodger clark, Axis, Cosworth, Andy forrest,P&L and P&L is the first I have worked with that can produce a very high horsepower engine and have reasonable costs and reliability. I would like to hear more. I did a search on Nasioc and only came up with two threads one for a 485 hp car and one for the old ESX car.
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:05 PM   #178
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Sorry to interrupt... This ^^^is a bold statement and untrue...

ESX's motors built by Keegan Engineering (from 2007 or 2008 till 2010) made 1400 HP to the crank and would last the whole season (20 or more passes) and then only need to be refreshed.

So that epic development you are talking about occurred 4-5 years ago with +400 HP.
What car made 1400crank?? What was the WHP vs the Driveline loss on that car? How did you come up with the driveline loss or even the 1400hp number.

Also who has one of these Keegan motors besides ESX? I know the P&L motors are in a BUNCH of street/strip/circuit cars. Anywhere from 300whp to 900whp ( or 1300+ crank ) and tons of 10sec street cars, class winning autocross cars/time attack. Not just 1 million dollar motor in a drag car.
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:14 PM   #179
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IIRC several shops here in southern california use Keegan to build their motors. So there are a bunch of their motors around...but branded as something else.

I've also never seen a carbon fiber intake manifold on nasioc...but Keegan makes one.

http://www.keeganengineering.com/productssubaru.html

Junior...i believe that ESX only used engine dynos for the pro car since it is a pita to get one on a dyno...but Ali can confirm that if he comes back. So that 1400 crank was most likely on an engine dyno, not reverse calculated from a trap speed or dyno number.
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:17 PM   #180
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Well damn, I bet PNL motorsports wishes they knew about him before. It would have cut about 2 years off their R&D

Then again, seems like they got a similar working program now.
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:56 PM   #181
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IIRC several shops here in southern california use Keegan to build their motors. So there are a bunch of their motors around...but branded as something else.

I've also never seen a carbon fiber intake manifold on nasioc...but Keegan makes one.

http://www.keeganengineering.com/productssubaru.html

Junior...i believe that ESX only used engine dynos for the pro car since it is a pita to get one on a dyno...but Ali can confirm that if he comes back. So that 1400 crank was most likely on an engine dyno, not reverse calculated from a trap speed or dyno number.

Carbon Intake is nice.. but again one of those things that I was getting at.. A high priced piece, that on paper works..the rest of the planet has yet to see or even afford.

I guess all I am getting at is that while yea, Keegan may build a motor that holds some serious power, it sounds like it is some high priced (cosworth but good) engine that 90% of us cant buy.

One off pieces are sweet, but building something EVERYONE can use is even sweeter.
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:35 PM   #182
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Junior when is it Ure coming to s. Fla?
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:52 PM   #183
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One off pieces are sweet, but building something EVERYONE can use is even sweeter.
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keegan engineering's website is....
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:00 AM   #184
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Alright.. seems like people need to know what's up for real.. in our bad boy cars

Keegan has built and still builds seriously awesome engines for us in our street car.. easily excess of 1000+ all day. And his prices aren't really out of range. I think they're similar to the other big engine builders out there, but I'll let you guys compare. Keegan has rebuilt our 1400+HP cars but....

the 1400+ HP engines that were originally built.. as in my old pro car.. those were built by someone else.. if Keegan is new to some of you guys, since he's been arond for years.. then the following word will have you guys thinking I'm smoking something??

Kroyer...

Let the searching begin!
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:20 AM   #185
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:25 AM   #186
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dude, ive run 9's before..............in the 1/8 lol


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Old 09-28-2011, 12:54 AM   #187
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Old 09-28-2011, 01:08 AM   #188
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Since you guys want to say p&l's 1000hp motors are "reasonably priced" let's hear a run down of what your production selling one would be? I wouldnt put down keegan or anyone else without mentioning what p&l charges,

My only experience with p&L was a very long wait for their ported throttle body, after the wait, wasn't too impressed with the work done on it.

And btw, how are those 20k pinned blah blah motors doing? Lasting as long as they should for the price and work put in? I heard superquicks didn't last too long

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Old 09-28-2011, 01:14 AM   #189
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To piggy back on what others have said...Several major shops have been using Keegan motors for the last few years...but they were rebranded to the shops name. But it is evident Keegan is ready to step up and wholesale his motors in his own name since he is going to be at Subiefest.

Because of his rebranding over the years keegan has developed several stages of motors/shortblocks at several very attainable pricepoints.

//end thread jack

I love to see killer GC8s, Great work P&L!!!
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:04 AM   #190
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To piggy back on what others have said...Several major shops have been using Keegan motors for the last few years...but they were rebranded to the shops name. But it is evident Keegan is ready to step up and wholesale his motors in his own name since he is going to be at Subiefest.

Because of his rebranding over the years keegan has developed several stages of motors/shortblocks at several very attainable pricepoints.

//end thread jack

I love to see killer GC8s, Great work P&L!!!
who resales the engines?
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:13 AM   #191
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i wanna believe superquicks failures were somewhat user error. auto trans was not built and wouldnt shift, at wot... but this isnt the place for that conversation.
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:40 AM   #192
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My only experience with p&L was a very long wait for their ported throttle body, after the wait, wasn't too impressed with the work done on it.
I had called P&L to do this same mod but was told parts were backordered until November. Is it really not worth the $$/wait? Did you get any gains from it?
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Old 09-28-2011, 11:31 AM   #193
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i wanna believe superquicks failures were somewhat user error. auto trans was not built and wouldnt shift, at wot... but this isnt the place for that conversation.
hahahaa...

Is that guy still floating around?

And it cant be user error with a Auto transmission. The car shifts for you.

It takes the user out of it.
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hahahaa...

Is that guy still floating around?

And it cant be user error with a Auto transmission. The car shifts for you.

It takes the user out of it.

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is that guy still floating around?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2227802
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must have track prep'd the tires with superglue imo. Nice times!
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Old 09-28-2011, 01:36 PM   #197
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Since you guys want to say p&l's 1000hp motors are "reasonably priced" let's hear a run down of what your production selling one would be? I wouldnt put down keegan or anyone else without mentioning what p&l charges,

My only experience with p&L was a very long wait for their ported throttle body, after the wait, wasn't too impressed with the work done on it.

And btw, how are those 20k pinned blah blah motors doing? Lasting as long as they should for the price and work put in? I heard superquicks didn't last too long
Who put down Keegan? I did not see one post putting them down in this thread.

20k pinned block? Who has one of those? Regardless, Superquick had some component failures, as well lack of experience with how to care for a race motor. I don't know what his motor has to do with his thread? P&L nor Keegan built it.
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I guess all I am getting at is that while yea, Keegan may build a motor that holds some serious power, it sounds like it is some high priced (cosworth but good) engine that 90% of us cant buy.

One off pieces are sweet, but building something EVERYONE can use is even sweeter.
this to me, says "forget keegan because of price", & if anyone were to steer someone into a similar motor to what p&l does so well with, please mention a general out the door price.

& I mentioned superquick because we are talking about expensive motors here, I thought his was pinned, 17k he mentioned in his fs thread so I figured it was all out.

All I'm asking is, what does p&l 8 second motor run?

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Also who has one of these Keegan motors besides ESX? I know the P&L motors are in a BUNCH of street/strip/circuit cars. Anywhere from 300whp to 900whp ( or 1300+ crank ) and tons of 10sec street cars, class winning autocross cars/time attack. Not just 1 million dollar motor in a drag car.
sounds like your trying to sell them, so $ plz?
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sounds like your trying to sell them, so $ plz?
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