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11-30-2018, 02:38 PM | #51 |
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Even the Civic Type-R had a rear beam setup for a little while (ditching the usual double wishbone) until Honda went to a multi-link for the current Type-R.
Almost every single French hot hatch that I grew up around had a rear beam: Peugeot 205 GTI, Peugeot 306 GTI, Renault Clio Williams, Clio 172/182/192/200 ...Megane RS. It's cheap/inexpensive, certainly not ideal, but, when done right, it just works. Nowadays, there are quite a few cars with nice multi-link or double wishbone setups tuned for runflat tires. IMO, they ride no better that cars with cheap torsion beams on regular tires. I know, not relevant to hot hatches, but maybe it's worth mentioning.
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11-30-2018, 02:48 PM | #52 |
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Doesnt the Fiesta ST have a Torsion Beam?
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11-30-2018, 02:54 PM | #53 | |
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Remember when we hated huge grill openings? Nobody even blinks at them anymore. It’s unique looking. I like it. |
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11-30-2018, 03:52 PM | #54 |
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11-30-2018, 08:43 PM | #55 | |
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12-01-2018, 07:11 AM | #56 | |
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12-01-2018, 08:28 AM | #57 |
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Torsion beam is fine for performance in a car this size... on perfect roads. It is going to be pretty ****ty on the real world back roads that have patches and dips near the edge.
Interior and overall look is really nice except for that train wreck of a C pillar on the hatch. I prefer the sedan in both the new 3 and the new Corolla. Weird. |
12-01-2018, 03:03 PM | #58 |
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It's certainly subjective. Every time I see a new generation Impreza, I think, "What a boring little crapbox".
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12-01-2018, 03:08 PM | #59 |
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Sight lines that would make a Camaro proud. |
12-01-2018, 04:11 PM | #60 |
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So, I have a legit question. A little snarky-ness is in this question; but, legit still. Will this car, with that horrible of visibility be enough? Mazda seems to have had a good beginning of the year; but, has had 3 solid months of slides. The CX-9, if it continues it's recent slide, is in danger of having a YTD loss of sales. The CX-5 has a comfortable margin to finish up and the 3 probably won't finish down either. I do say that without last months numbers out though. They are at less than half Subaru sales. I wouldn't think that number puts them in danger of leaving the U.S. market, right? I just wonder if this form over function is helping or hurting them.....
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12-01-2018, 07:06 PM | #61 | |
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So, no, I don't think they are about to pack up and leave just yet. Also, keep in mind that, globally, Mazda has sold $1.6M vehicles (they say it's their 3rd record year); I don't think they will walk away from selling at least 400K vehicles over here. |
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12-02-2018, 05:35 AM | #62 |
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Honda actually had the FK2 Type-R for 2 years with the turbocharged engine, dual-axis front geometry, and multi-link rear with adaptable shocks before bringing them to the US on the current Civic. It's also the genesis of all those stupid spoilers. Quote:
I just don't see this as a good move by Mazda. Toyota and Hyundai are ditching their torsion beams for multi-links that allow a better mix of roadholding and handling. Mazda is clearly just trying to offset their engine development costs. We're going to see a bunch of reviews from folks that got wined and dined at a junket, and then got to throw the cars around a smooth race track in Spain or Italy, and then they're going to tell us that the Mazda3's suspension is incredible! It's just the same damn game being played over and over again. |
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Dave Coleman explains the 3's AWD system and claims it will be as fun to drive, if not more so, than the outgoing one...
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It's that Type R magic all over again.
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12-02-2018, 10:31 AM | #66 | |
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Right, but I was talking about a 3 month slide. They are 5% up YTD but 3 months of slides has bit into that(well, 2 really). October showed a 10%+ drop in sales. Including a 10% drop in the CX-5, and a 15% drop in Sept for the CX-5. Weird that followed a 10% increase. Was that a new model launch? I'm wondering if the slide continues to a YTD loss and then will this new CX-3 really matter? Are these new designs coming and people are all "woowoo. cool looking car" then getting into them and going "nope. Don't really like it". Or is it just really bad marketing from Mazda. I kinda think the latter. I can't recall the last time I've seen a commercial. For anything. |
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12-02-2018, 12:37 PM | #67 |
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12-02-2018, 08:20 PM | #68 | |||
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12-03-2018, 12:06 AM | #69 |
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looks like the sedan is the winner here, better visibility and styling.
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12-03-2018, 02:54 PM | #70 |
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That rear visibility in the hatch is awful. As much as I like the hatch, I don't know if I would like the lack of visibility.
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12-03-2018, 03:04 PM | #71 | |
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Is it actually worse? I can't really tell from the pics whether or not rear window is indeed smaller on the new car. |
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12-03-2018, 03:23 PM | #72 |
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I can't say for sure but based on the photo above, it is worse than the current hatch. I think the current hatch visibility is fine but not Subaru good.
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12-03-2018, 04:49 PM | #73 |
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12-04-2018, 12:28 AM | #74 |
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I'll stand more firmly behind my assessment of the sedan being better looking than the hatchback not only from the outside, but from inside as well. Now that is some crappy rearward visibility.
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12-05-2018, 07:02 PM | #75 |
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As a current hatch owner that photo makes the new car's visibility look absolutely dreadful, but I'll reserve judgement until I can sit in one. Could be a trick of perspective or the camera lens, who knows.
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