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12-07-2012, 12:09 PM | #51 | |
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12-07-2012, 12:14 PM | #52 |
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In my opinion, if you're down on power and you lost oil pressure, your turbo may be toast. Reset your ecu, take off the battery terminal and see if you get some power back. I would switch from mobile 1 oil to a different synthetic also. From here on out if you keep it, continue to get it serviced by subaru and look into an extended warranty if you decide to keep it. Maybe that way you can avoid any deniability on their part.
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12-07-2012, 12:23 PM | #53 | |
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No tech guy is going to say the engine damage was caused by the dealer's actions. He has NO WAY of knowing the condition of the engine beforehand. No more than any of the internet forum experts do. Compression and leakdown tests aren't going to prove anything, unless you just happen to have results from just prior to the oil change handy. Neither will oil analysis. The car is out of Lemon Law parameters, and is currently running okay (despite the paranoid feelings of the OP) so the chances of getting an extension of the warranty or a new engine are slim to none. So, just continue to wave your swords at windmills, people. Rant and rave about what's right, and what should be done. Reality > internet stupidity. |
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12-07-2012, 12:56 PM | #54 | ||||
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And I guess the OP sent you information that was not posted in this thread on the condition of the filter gasket? Where are you getting your information from becides your a**hole? And yes I know variable valve timing works. I do agree a bang is not going to come the solenoid that regulates oil pressure or gear that adjusts the cam. Point is NEITHER of us NOR THE DEALERSHIP actually heard the noise. So all they can do is go by what they can visibly see (including tests) and any related faults. If there are no faults, compression and leak down are where they need to be and the car is driving like it should... Quote:
If I were you I would demand compression and leak down test results. If you lost faith in the dealership, have the tests performed elsewhere and if the results are less than satisfactory you have a case to take to the service manager and SOA if that step is needed. Quote:
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12-07-2012, 01:00 PM | #55 |
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Call SOA, explain the situation and go to another Subaru dealer for a second opinion. SOA MAY reimburse you for the second opinion.
Do this and come back. |
12-07-2012, 05:26 PM | #56 | |
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As for the oil analysis, why would that not be a good idea? Any bits of metal such as copper would be a HUGE flag that something saw a moment outside of its ideal operating range |
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12-07-2012, 05:38 PM | #57 |
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Anyone smell hotpockets?
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12-07-2012, 09:54 PM | #58 |
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It's really funny how much retarded info and posts there are in here.
Op, your situation sucks. You took your car to get an oil change and had an issue. I'm not here to argue what happened or what the outcome will be of your situation. I'm here as how I see it being a subaru technician. First off there is no shut off fail safe of oil pressure. If it's leaking out and the oil pressure is low your car will not shut down itself to prevent damage. It will just keep running till it seizes. Most service managers are full of complete bull **** and will try and sell you anything to get you to just go away. That being said I can not say how much oil was or was not in there. What I can say is sometimes owners minds play tricks on them. If your car still ran and didn't seize don't be worried. You're really over thinking everything. Pick up your car and drive it. Stop being worried. If your engine was broken it would be broken. If oil not being in it was an issue there would be no possibility of it running because it would be seized or have a severe rod knock. So stop trying to come up with schemes of how to get a new engine. |
12-08-2012, 01:02 PM | #59 | |
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When I picked up the car on Thurs, the service guy said we put new oil in it, a new filter, and it "drives great!" - ??? Do I look like boo hoo the fool??? I was so pissed off by that statement...upon driving the car home, I immediately felt the clutch was heavier?? The engine felt like it was laboring to accelerate?? And worst of all, when nearing 70mph, the car began to shake violently...I felt a very pronounced vibration/shaking in the steering wheel??? I KNOW MY CAR...IT DID NOT DRIVE LIKE THAT BEFORE. There is something seriously damaged with my engine. I've worked on enough cars to know that driving an oil deprived engine is BAD...PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Piston rings, seals, cylinder heads...all of that stuff requires lubrication to work properly...just the fact that something was burning in my engine to cause white smoke to come out of the engine, and total complete engine failure/shutdown is enough to tell me irreparable damage has occurred. I couldn't get a hold of their service mgr the following day so I contacted SOA's 800 customer service line...explained to them what occurred, and then they told me they would immediately contact that mgr. Shortly thereafter, she contacted me saying, "we understand you contacted SOA..." HECK YEAH I DID! This issue isn't over by a longshot! I told her that this wasn't a scratched fender, or a flat tire, this was MY FREAKIN ENGINE! You go in for an oil change, and then your engine dies 2 days later???? Are you serious???!!! I also told her I don't care who's fault this is, all I want is for it to be resolved to my complete satisfaction. I've been a loyal Subaru owner and customer of their dealership since '02...never had I had any problems until now. She told me a SOA field rep will be out to meet me Tuesday of next week to discuss this entire matter. All I want to hear from them is that they'll either replace my damaged engine with a BRAND NEW ENGINE, OR they buy back my WRX at pre damaged value...THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO...PERIOD. My car now has this engine issue in its history...I will never be able to recoup this lost value on trade in or resale...all anyone has to do is check the service record and they'll clearly see that. For those members who think i'm trying to weasel into getting a new engine or new car...like I said...if this happened to you and your car...what would you do? Just take their "ohh, we put new oil and a new filter...and it drives great!" and be done with it? I maybe an OP, but momma didn't raise no fool! This whole episode has tested my patience and the belief that people will ultimately do the right thing... |
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12-08-2012, 01:16 PM | #60 | |
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Also, my car has 49k miles on it...I baby this car...follow all routine maintenance...and then some...this isn't some 100k+ mile jalopy...this car is 3 yrs old with 49k miles! Last edited by db97; 12-11-2012 at 08:47 PM. |
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12-08-2012, 01:30 PM | #61 | |
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Again get all the stuff out of your head. Your car pulls like it did before this issue. You just don't think it feels as fast and that shaking in the wheel is the tires that need to be balanced that you never noticed before. You keep blasting that you feel wronged and that there must be some sort of unseen damage just because you and 30 other people in this thread that has no clue about how a car actually operates believes. Being a tech I can tell you stop tweaking out. The oil issue was fixed. Move on. |
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12-08-2012, 01:34 PM | #62 | |
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12-08-2012, 02:15 PM | #63 | |
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12-08-2012, 02:17 PM | #64 | |
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Yeah, my car's engine didn't DIE...but I know it ain't freakin the same anymore?! I know it doesn't drive like before?! "It still pulls fine..."??? ARE YOU AN IDIOT??!! SERIOUSLY! ...my car's value will never be the same b/c of this incident...period. I didn't spend 28k dollars for my car to have something like this ruin its value. Last edited by db97; 12-08-2012 at 02:35 PM. |
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12-08-2012, 02:24 PM | #65 | |
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12-08-2012, 02:42 PM | #66 |
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Your clutch being heavier and the shaking in the wheel have nothing to do with you're engine.
Question is, what exactly the noises were that you heard when it died. Because rod knock would be the normal noise when too low on oil, and adding oil won't fix that issue. My sister ran her Mini low on oil, I could hear the rods knocking (very light) so I checked the oil which was way too low. I added more knowing that it will only buy her maybe 1-2 weeks before it lets go. Once you hear rod knock, it's game over. Month later I had to swap the motor. This is why I'm not sure what actually caused your car to "die". Because if it was oil starvation causing rod knock/ block seizing then adding oil wouldn't have fixed that. So I have a feeling your motor is fine and you are being paranoid (you have every reason to be). Rod knock doesn't go away, either it's knocking now or it's not. If you want to prove that performance was hurt, jump on a dyno and see. But at the moment, it looks like your anger is clouding your analysis of the car. Good luck with everything though. Last edited by LIQUIDSK8S; 12-08-2012 at 06:12 PM. |
12-08-2012, 02:43 PM | #67 |
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Plain and simple if this were my car and it happened to me their handling of the situation would be unacceptable. I would worry day and night about "what if" Though I was not in your situation I had a similar issue with my previous car which was damaged and repaired quite poorly, the garage did not respond to my attempts at getting the matter resolved nor was my insurance company any help. I therefore GOT rid of the vehicle taking a 2k hit but at least now I can sleep better knowing that i won't have to deal with the issues that the car had post repairs. In the final analysis, you paid for the vehicle its your money, you have to make a choice as to what is an acceptable resolution of this issue, the opinions you are offered are just that and you must come to your own conclusions. I truly hope that this issue can be resolved to your satisfaction if not you may need to make a decision as to how much time you will dedicate to this matter and when to cut your losses. best of luck
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12-08-2012, 03:23 PM | #68 | |
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12-08-2012, 03:26 PM | #69 |
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Lol at the unrealistic expectations and the childish banter towards people who do know what they are talking about. People feel like they are entitled to something when they really aren't and that's the problem with society.
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12-08-2012, 03:51 PM | #70 | |
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Actually flash back my life to 2001 when I first bought my car. I believe it was the second oil change I did to my car I double gasketed my oil filter. Never checked to make sure the old one came off like my dad taught me when I was young. I put in my oil in my car and started it up and let it run. The way my driveway was it was on a slight hill towards the rear of the car so the oil ran all the way back to there before I noticed anything. Pretty much shut it off right before all the oil was out. Engine was still good when I swapped it out 6 years later. Again you know it's not the same anymore? Do you have proof of this? Is there a cel on? You can claim it's not the same but clearly you're the type that is over reacting in this situation. The dealer did all it needs to do. Please explain how I am the idiot here. |
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12-08-2012, 03:57 PM | #71 | |
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12-08-2012, 03:59 PM | #72 |
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People always try to get stuff for free. Just like this guy trying to over think everything so he can be mad and argue with subaru for an engine. Just like everyone else who breaks their engine with mods on their car then returns it to stock to try and get it fixed under warranty for free. People are just scum balls.
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12-08-2012, 04:01 PM | #73 | |
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12-08-2012, 04:29 PM | #74 |
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no what I am saying is irrespective of if there is something mechanically wrong with the vehicle, he should proceed in a manner which alleviates his concerns. he will also have to decide if he will fight what the dealership has asserted or give up. He must also decide how much time to invest in this process and if he will keep the vehicle or sell it off if for nothing else but piece of mind.
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I commented to this thread because I thought the OP was looking for input/suggestions/previous experiences/knowledge. I now believe that the OP is so angry that the situation is bubbling over in his head. I get the anger - whether the prob. was caused by an improper oil change or a failed part. I also now realize that the OP is only looking for validation of his opinion and anger. So, this is where I stop sharing. Except 1 tidbit, the OP should pay more attention to the actual technicians and dealer service folks that have contributed. Their replies have good/valid info.
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