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Old 06-08-2012, 03:09 PM   #9001
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Went out a little while ago to try out some light painting and work on my interior shooting. I know it's not the best car, but I thought its paint would be a good candidate for light painting.


As always,looking forward to comments and critiques.

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Not too shabby! I wish there was a bit more light on the very top of the car and the bottom of the side of the car, but you did pretty good nonetheless. The shadow on the wall should probably be cloned out though. The interior shot is a little dark for my tastes...I'd like to see a bit more shadow detail.
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Old 06-08-2012, 03:14 PM   #9002
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Color or B&W?
Both are kick-ass, but I think I prefer the color one. You'd definitely want to try to remove the green tint on the window though. Also while you're at it, I would clone out the fence in the background as well.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:03 PM   #9003
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Hey Armin, did I get lucky with any of the 30 pictures I put up and possibly earn a stamp?
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:44 PM   #9004
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im arguing with myself on if i like the rock/water background better or just the Pacific, opinions on which one? also i think the sky came out a LITTLE bit better in this one
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:46 PM   #9005
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OK Armin, the CP filter has arrived and had a small window to play around with it! Let me know what you think. It was a weird overcast today with some sun breaking through at times.
What a difference the polarizer makes! These are much better, but the location and the crops are a little odd. They all make me ask why they cars were cut off in those specific spots.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:50 PM   #9006
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Do you think this is OK? I have a couple more that I will post after these get reviewed.
Much better than the other crops. Exposure looks good and it's nice and clear, but the location of course isn't the best. I could see something like this turn into a commercial shot with the right type of processing though.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:00 PM   #9007
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Wow! I wasn't expecting that! Thank you! I do have a low shot of the Ford but I wasn't thrilled with it. I might edit it later. Here are the other 2 that I liked. (Besides the background)

Is that low enough?
Your second shot here is definitely the stronger of the two, but the red is also a bit too strong as well. The white balance is also a little on the cooler side for my liking.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:03 PM   #9008
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Here is the re-edit with cloning out the distractions and turning down the red saturation a touch. I think I have a winner here.
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Thank you guys! I might have turned up the shadows too much. I'll try to fine tune it. The polarizer definitely helped but obviously you can still see a lot of reflection off the body, but I'm happy I made the purchase.

Oh, and in the original photo the red was as shot with no changes to saturation or vibrance, I guess it just came out crazy looking in the light.

How do you like my cloning job? I made the top into a long stupid looking rock. lol
Definitely better, but I still think it's a bit on the cool side in terms of white balance, and the car's exposure is a little off (as in, too much). I'd try reducing the red luminance and keeping an eye on your histogram for blown out highlights. As far as the body reflections go, now it's time to move onto using multiple polarizations
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:12 PM   #9009
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havnt really done many profiles of my car, or profiles in general for that matter, i've used this location a few times, but its usually in the evening so im shooting INTO the sun, this time i got there at 6:00am and it turned out better, the only "problem" is the sky here is rarely spotted with clouds so i have a hard time making it not look blown out, any tips here would be great as well...
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here is a different crop with a little less saturation
Kick-ass location. I prefer the less saturated one for sure, as the more saturated one almost looks a bit too neon. I'd say that the car is a bit too close to the bottom edge of the frame, just pointing the camera a little downward would give you less sky to begin with. I might even get really low with it and shoot with your camera on the ground looking up. As far as the sky goes, you can get creative but it isn't too bad how you've done it. Try adding clarity to that graduated ND filter and add some noise reduction to see if you can get it less blotchy.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:17 PM   #9010
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i don't know how to shoot into the sunset keeping the areas around the sun exposed but the rest of the picture exposed, and i don't know how to overlay pictures in layers, nor do i own CS.
That style of shooting is usually going to require multiple exposures, and you'll need a program like Photoshop to layer them. As good as our DSLRs are, that's a type of dynamic range that simply isn't going to be possible right out of the box.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:19 PM   #9011
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im arguing with myself on if i like the rock/water background better or just the Pacific, opinions on which one? also i think the sky came out a LITTLE bit better in this one
Hard to say, I like them both. However, in this on it looks like your horizon and road don't match...they're not parallel to each other, thus getting them to match might take a bit more work. I still think you should shoot lower as well.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:40 PM   #9012
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Definitely better, but I still think it's a bit on the cool side in terms of white balance, and the car's exposure is a little off (as in, too much). I'd try reducing the red luminance and keeping an eye on your histogram for blown out highlights. As far as the body reflections go, now it's time to move onto using multiple polarizations
AAAAAAAHHHHH!! I thought I had something there. I can try to fine tune it some more but I'm assuming that's not going to get me much farther.

Multiple polarization? Are you kidding me? My wife is going to kill me. Can I run the same type of filter on top of the one i have?

I'm going to try to go back to some of my other locations now that I have my filter and see if I can get better results.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:44 PM   #9013
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AAAAAAAHHHHH!! I thought I had something there. I can try to fine tune it some more but I'm assuming that's not going to get me much farther.

Multiple polarization? Are you kidding me? My wife is going to kill me. Can I run the same type of filter on top of the one i have?

I'm going to try to go back to some of my other locations now that I have my filter and see if I can get better results.
No, you use the same filter, but take multiple photos. I made really quick and dirty video on how to do it in Photoshop awhile ago. Keep in mind that this is just one way to do it...you're better off doing it using a layer mask instead of just erasing away:

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Old 06-08-2012, 05:46 PM   #9014
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So this obviously can't be done in Lightroom then? I do have Ps CS5 but I never really got into it. I guess I'll have to put it on my list of things to do.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:50 PM   #9015
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So this obviously can't be done in Lightroom then? I do have Ps CS5 but I never really got into it. I guess I'll have to put it on my list of things to do.
Nope, you can't do multiple layers in Lightroom. You mustn't think of PS as being a cop-out to taking photos...it's a tool just like anything else, just a tool that can often be misused. I've been using Photoshop since 1996 and just like with anything, you can make a good photo great with it, but you can't make a terrible photo great. Garbage in, garbage out. With great power comes great responsibility
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:00 PM   #9016
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Man, I'm a little discouraged. I thought I had a good one there. I put all the rules into place on that one. (except the background) I also think I'm at a disadvantage with the red car, it seems very tough to capture the true color. So is it possible to get a shot without glare or reflections without using Photoshop?
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:07 PM   #9017
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Man, I'm a little discouraged. I thought I had a good one there. I put all the rules into place on that one. (except the background) I also think I'm at a disadvantage with the red car, it seems very tough to capture the true color. So is it possible to get a shot without glare or reflections without using Photoshop?
Don't feel discouraged. I don't give stamps easily, and just because a photo doesn't get a stamp doesn't mean it's not good. Just take a look back in this thread and look at the photos that got stamps...they definitely stand out.

Red is definitely a tough color...personally for me it's the most difficult color to capture properly (along with orange).

It is possible to get a shot without glare if you shoot at night, but you cannot eliminate all reflections unless you're shooting a matte painted car. Some commercial photographers I know will take as many as 10-15 exposures, all with different polarizations just to get rid of as many reflections as possible. That's going to overkill for most people, but that just shows the lengths that people will go to make everything look absolutely perfect.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:14 PM   #9018
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Yeah I don't think I'll be going to that extreme but it's something I'll try out at some point. The video was very helpful. You have a great way of explaining things simply. My question is.... you obviously have to use a tripod for this, but you are kind of limited to how low you can go. Everyone seems to say the low angled shots are favorable so what do you suggest for angles that aren't ground level?

Oh, and my other photos where everything was cropped oddly, I was trying different compositions without using the whole car. Any advice as far as composition goes?
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:23 PM   #9019
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Here's another one. I kind of like the glare on this and the way the sun is coming through. I don't like the reflection on the side of the car though.




And I kinda like this one.


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Old 06-08-2012, 06:57 PM   #9020
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Yeah I don't think I'll be going to that extreme but it's something I'll try out at some point. The video was very helpful. You have a great way of explaining things simply. My question is.... you obviously have to use a tripod for this, but you are kind of limited to how low you can go. Everyone seems to say the low angled shots are favorable so what do you suggest for angles that aren't ground level?

Oh, and my other photos where everything was cropped oddly, I was trying different compositions without using the whole car. Any advice as far as composition goes?
Glad I could help. You definitely have to use a tripod, but yes you can still get low...certain tripods (usually the ones I recommend, imagine that) allow you to adjust the legs and mount so that you can shoot almost completely on the ground. You don't always have to get so low, but the key is shooting from an elevation that isn't often seen by a normal passer-by.

As far as composition goes, when you crop certain parts of the car off, you're usually trying to highlight something else and you've paid attention to where exactly you're cutting off the car. Here's an example:



Your eyes go straight to the red tow hook, and then you've got the lower diffuser as well, then as you wrap around you get to the burn tip of the exhaust. Notice I kept the body line that touches the passenger side tail light so that you can see where the line ends. I also made sure to include enough ground so that the car's not just floating. In your cropped shots that you posted, there wasn't a clear subject that you wanted your viewer to focus on...it was almost random where you decided to cut off the rest of the car.

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Here's another one. I kind of like the glare on this and the way the sun is coming through. I don't like the reflection on the side of the car though.
I can tell right off the bat that your histogram is going to be screaming red at that passenger side headlight if you turn on highlights. I'd say this one is a little overexposed in general and the white balance is still on the cool side of things.

As for the second shot, you've got some bad lens flare right in the center of the frame, and again there isn't a clear focus point for your viewer.
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Good example. I don't know if I can retain all this info while I'm taking a picture. Like I said, I do this as a hobby so some of this might be overkill for me but the advice is always great so I can develop further down the road. I have great respect for pro photographers now. I never knew how much thought went into a single picture. I give you a lot of credit man!
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it feels like its been some time since ive shot a car. and well, it has been and that hasnt changed. (been keeping busy with macro and landscapes, as some may know). but i did happen to come across a much older shot, that when i first processed, didnt "do it" for me. with newly learned techniques processing styles, i thought i would give an old man a revisit. i liked the way it came out, but the original wasnt the best to begin with. specially with the side of the car being in direct sunlight. EEK.

edit: for some reason, this smaller res version looks a tad oversharpened. or is that just me?



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Way too much contrast for my liking. It looks like you've managed to blow out the blacks and the whites.
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shot at a bad angle, and wrong time of day. while i know the blacks are clipped, the histo didnt tell me the whites had clipped yet. i think it just seems that way since the hella contrast and the entire side being lit up by the sun.

ill stick to taking the shot correctly over attempting to make a terrible shot work.
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it feels like its been some time since ive shot a car. and well, it has been and that hasnt changed. (been keeping busy with macro and landscapes, as some may know). but i did happen to come across a much older shot, that when i first processed, didnt "do it" for me. with newly learned techniques processing styles, i thought i would give an old man a revisit. i liked the way it came out, but the original wasnt the best to begin with. specially with the side of the car being in direct sunlight. EEK.

edit: for some reason, this smaller res version looks a tad oversharpened. or is that just me?
Yeah, it does look a bit oversharpened...you can tell on the wheels especially. How much unsharp mask did you apply?

Overall it's a bit too contrasty for me for sure...the blacks for sure, and the whites do seem a bit blown out on the side of the car. Perhaps if the overall contrast was toned down a little, it won't seem quite as blown out. It definitely could use some experimenting. Another thing I might suggest is toning down the blue saturation a little bit, particularly on the hood/front bumper area that's in the shadow.

You've also got some grass at the bottom leaking onto the side skirt...that should be an easy fix though.
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