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Old 07-24-2004, 12:36 AM   #101
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See what you have started!

I am down for buying a bunch if we can get some sort of group buy!
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Old 07-24-2004, 12:41 AM   #102
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Old 07-24-2004, 01:13 AM   #103
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Why not post where you're able to get in bulk? Are you getting a special deal?
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Old 07-24-2004, 02:40 AM   #104
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I use the leaded all the time, it seems to work even better, but I wouldn't suggest using it if you still have cats ....

My 02 sensor is still OK, and my oil analysis reports are still coming back fine, that's after running Torco every day for over 17,000 miles ....
Hey Kenneth, where do you get your oil analysis done at?

Is there anyway to test the octane of a gasoline?
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:59 AM   #105
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Well, for one, to buy bulk like that, you are supposed to be a "business" with a sales tax ID and setup as a "dealer" with Torco ... ( I know, I've called them directly and asked)

Secondly, why not just go back to the Toluene, Xylene solutions if you're going to buy the 5 gallon drums ? I mean, wouldn't you be back to swapping fluids from one container to the next, then funneling it into the car etc...?

Granted, if that pricing was available to all consumers, that is pretty sweet, but for the convenience of a 32 oz can, that I don't have to "fill" myself ... seems a lot more convenient to me ....

As for the engine oil testing, there is a division of Amsoil called "oil analysers" that does it for me ....

I believe there are other "mail in" solutions out there, just do a search on the internet .....
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Old 07-24-2004, 12:02 PM   #106
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I forgot to mention, you can get fuels octane tested ... at a place like this:

http://www.swri.edu but it is rather pricey ....

http://www.need4speedpower.com Still has some pretty decent prices on the Torco, they've dropped significantly over the last couple of months .....
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Old 07-24-2004, 02:03 PM   #107
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Secondly, why not just go back to the Toluene, Xylene solutions if you're going to buy the 5 gallon drums ? I mean, wouldn't you be back to swapping fluids from one container to the next, then funneling it into the car etc...?
Because a 5 gallon drum of torco will last longer than a 5 gallon drum of tolune/xylene. I use a gallon a toluene per fill up, which is equivalent to less than 2 cups of torco. Plus its cheaper to get to 100 octane.
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Old 07-24-2004, 05:38 PM   #108
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Well, for one, to buy bulk like that, you are supposed to be a "business" with a sales tax ID and setup as a "dealer" with Torco ... ( I know, I've called them directly and asked)

Secondly, why not just go back to the Toluene, Xylene solutions if you're going to buy the 5 gallon drums ? I mean, wouldn't you be back to swapping fluids from one container to the next, then funneling it into the car etc...?

Granted, if that pricing was available to all consumers, that is pretty sweet, but for the convenience of a 32 oz can, that I don't have to "fill" myself ... seems a lot more convenient to me ....

As for the engine oil testing, there is a division of Amsoil called "oil analysers" that does it for me ....

I believe there are other "mail in" solutions out there, just do a search on the internet .....
Oh that's no problem.. I can still get that amount. If anyone has trouble getting the torco in bulk I can purchase it using my Tax ID.
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Old 07-24-2004, 07:40 PM   #109
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Also, if you have purchased torco before you can just refill the bottles
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Old 07-25-2004, 02:07 PM   #110
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I used 118 octane leaded at the races in ny. It caused my front o2 sensor to go...I use the torco...it works well...and i still shoot the occaisional flame
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Old 08-13-2004, 02:21 AM   #111
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I thought MMT was a big no-no. here's a tid bit of info I found.

http://home.ica.net/~fresch/ndp/ethylmmt.htm

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engine deposits + neurotoxic exhaust = bad idea.

just my two cents.
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Old 08-13-2004, 09:16 AM   #112
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MMT is in gasonline at the pump ... mind you in lesser quantities .....

As for a big no no ... it's really no worse than lead...... MMT is allowed in certain quantities in street fuels .... Lead .... no way ...
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Old 08-13-2004, 09:38 AM   #113
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I did a big review on this stuff over at WRXF. Lemme see if I can dig it up and copy pasty what I can, and link what I cannot.

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Here's the thread on WRXF where I tested it. Because I basically tested it on video in order to see the results you'll either have to join or give me lots of webspace and a day or two to upload the vids again to the new webspace. (Probably easier to join, apologies for not having sufficient webspace myself.)

http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php...&hl=torco&st=0

(If it doesn't come up do a search on Engine/Drivetrain for member name "Thunderbolt" and the word "Torco")

Before torco it was 84 degrees and you can see the boost gauge on the car bbacking off frequently from heat soak and crappy CA91 octane. I literally stopped on the side of the road, put this stuff in, drove about 3 blocks and started recording again. Afterwards no matter how hard I tried I could not heat soak the engine to pull back boost.

Also apologies for not having my graduated boost gauge hooked up. I realize the dash gauge doesn't tell you what boost I'm running, but I assure you it's 100% accurate and I've tested it with a graduated gauge.

Brief background on engine:

2.3L turbo inine 4. 9.3:1 compression, and runs about 15 psi of boost in cold weather. In hot weather it can be backed off to as low as 11 psi on CA91 octane. It also adds fuel and of course pulls timing. Sorry I don't have any datalogs for that. But the difference in boost is obvious, and exactly what I saw when running two gallons of Xylene with 15 gallons of CA91.

I also did a 0-100 mph test. In this Saab most of the magazines quoted it at 16-16.5 seconds, and Hirsch (an aftermarket tuner) quote 16.4.

I didn't even launch (was not expecting to set any records in 85 degree Cali weather on crappy gas) and I managed nearly 14 seconds flat.

Here are what the plugs looked like at the end of one month using it non-stop. I have encountered no problems from this what so ever and now the car is on the same plugs 3 months later. (Running it all summer here in Cali.)

Two thumbs up for this stuff, and a random disco boost monkey!

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Old 08-16-2004, 07:02 PM   #114
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can someone PM me on where to get Torco in bulk. Thanks.
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Old 08-22-2004, 03:37 AM   #115
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I tried a case of Torco and it did NOT help at all -- at least on the dyno -- wasn't able to get any more timing when mixing it with 91. Put in some 100 octane true race gas and was able to get much more timing out of the car.

No more Torco in my STI.

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Old 08-22-2004, 08:30 AM   #116
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That's odd??

How/what/where/when etc... did you mix it?

I wonder how you mixed it on the dyno ...

i.e. did you have pump gas in the car ... did a run, then poured some torco in ... did you take the car off the dyno? Did that torco get thorougly mixed in with the gas ... (usually takes 10-30 miles of driving to do, after it's poured in)

Or, did you treat 5 gallons of 91 in a gas can with torco, mix it up in there, and put it into an "empty" gas tank (car) (this would be the best way)

I have never seen anyone make your statement. There has got to be some sort of explanation ....

Depends on what you mean by "bulk" I would email http://www.need4speedpower.com and ask them ....
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Old 08-22-2004, 04:22 PM   #117
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What he said^^^

My car is extremely octane sensitive and it was a very obvious difference.

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Old 08-23-2004, 01:02 AM   #118
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Wish I could use this for convenience but i'm afraid to have to replace oxygen sensors & cat on a regular basis. Guess toulene it is...

Has anyone used torco or another octane raiser with a custom map via utec or ecutek or such? Curious if better gains can be realized (within a reasonable margin of safety...)
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Old 08-23-2004, 01:32 AM   #119
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Get the unleaded version and you don't have to worry about cats and 02s.
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Old 08-23-2004, 10:40 AM   #120
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The torco stuff does not say what's in it, but the only way I can think that it does what it advertises is if it has lots of MMT or other similar organometallic compounds in it. These will destroy the cats and foul the O2 sensor if used long-term. Maybe it doesn't have that stuff, but until Torco lists what is in it, I'm dubious.
first page...
is that true?
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Old 08-23-2004, 11:46 AM   #121
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I've used the stuff quite a bit and have no O2 problems. Have never had any cats however. MMT was used in reformulated gas in CA before they found out it was very bad for the environment for a long time. Unless you are dumping a can of torco in every tank I don't think it's going to cause a huge diffference in sensor life.

If you didn't see a difference I'm not sure what's up with your car or the conditions you were on the dyno, the stuff makes a big difference normally.
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Two 32oz unleaded cans per tank, was on my 3rd tank with Torco when it went on the dyno -- couldn't run any more timing than with straight 91 octane. Ran the rest of my torco tank to empty, dumped in 5 gallons of 100 octane race gas, did a few pulls the get the old gas out of the lines/filter. Dyno'd again on 100 octane race gas, got much more timing out of it and 25 WHP increase.

Torco didn't work for me at all, just a waste of money.
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Old 08-23-2004, 05:45 PM   #123
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2 cans per tank on a 16 gallon subaru tank? Sounds like way too much....

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Old 08-23-2004, 08:24 PM   #124
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How much do O2 sensors cost?
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Old 08-23-2004, 10:18 PM   #125
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Two 32oz unleaded cans per tank, was on my 3rd tank with Torco when it went on the dyno -- couldn't run any more timing than with straight 91 octane. Ran the rest of my torco tank to empty, dumped in 5 gallons of 100 octane race gas, did a few pulls the get the old gas out of the lines/filter. Dyno'd again on 100 octane race gas, got much more timing out of it and 25 WHP increase.

Torco didn't work for me at all, just a waste of money.

Yeah you weren't using it correctly. If you have 10 gal in the tank, use half a can... I think you saturated the mixture with too much of whatever is in the Torco and it probably just made it worse. This is the first bad story I've heard out of about 50 people I've known/heard of that use Torco.
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