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Old 05-18-2017, 11:04 PM   #1
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Hey everyone!
Currently driving a 2014 M235i 6-speed and pretty loaded - don't have a blind spot detection, etc.
I am thinking of changing up a bit and getting into 2017 or 2018 STI.
I understand I will miss the oversteer and winter driving won't be as edgy as my current car with the winter tires on
So I am basically turned b/w a base STI and Limited. I don't care about the NAV but would love to get H/K audio - is it worth it? Or should I just upgrade the base audio with an amp and good headunit w/ speakers?
Edit: also I don't want the park bench at the back, can I order a base with no spoiler?
Any deals on the cars in NY tri-state area?
Got a call from a dealer in Staten Island - if I order it right now I might get it in the end of June.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:28 PM   #2
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Get the Limited. It is so much nicer in the long run, esp. considering you're coming from a bimmer. I'm sure you can arrange for a spoiler delete.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:15 AM   #3
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the limited can come without the bench, not the regular though.
I got the base sti and just removed the park bench.

same thinking as you, the audio and moonroof were the only things I liked and didn't feel like spending 5k on that alone.
upgraded the speakers for a few hundred and it's fine

btw, a friend of mine has a 2016 335 which i drove and it's no quicker than my sti and handles a little worse, and that was before I put a tune on it.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:23 AM   #4
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Have you driven an STi? The feel is much different from any German car. I would strongly recommend getting a limited over a base so you don't completely hate the car within a week of buying it. Limiteds have consistently had better interior fit and finish with less of the "built with tie wraps holding everything on to a Bud beer can" feel that Subaru is famous for. You'll likely upgrade the audio regardless as even a Mazda 3 base setup is about 10 levels better than the best Subaru offers. This is pretty much tradition with Subaru, you give up these things for performance per dollar.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:31 AM   #5
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^^^ Like Jack said they are nothing like German cars, so at least get the Limited. I had a 2001 530i before I got a WRX and that 16 year old car still puts many cars of today to shame. Anyway, if you're in the Tri-State area reach out to Clayton at Ramsey Subaru in NJ. They offer 500 under invoice all day long. You'll be in and out in an hr when your car comes.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:54 AM   #6
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I went from a 2011 WRX to a 2009 135i and loved that car. Then went back to a 2013 WRX and hated it. Once I got used to the BMW it was a night and day going back to a WRX. The newer ones are supposed to be much better, so I can't comment on that. I will just say make sure you get a real good test drive in.

To be fair, I would have gotten used to it and enjoyed the car after a time. I only had it a few days because it I suspect it was stage 2 tuned from a trade-in, but had no supporting parts. Being certified and from a great dealer, they took it back.

Just my $.02.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:05 AM   #7
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OP will miss that instant torque at any rpm I6-T engine.
And the interior quality
And heated steering wheel

Very few things I miss about my 335. My STI might be slower, but it is much more fun.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:43 AM   #8
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OP will miss that instant torque at any rpm I6-T engine.
And the interior quality
And heated steering wheel

Very few things I miss about my 335. My STI might be slower, but it is much more fun.
Probably won't miss the pricetag that's $20 grand higher though
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:07 AM   #9
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Thanks everyone for the input.
AS far as the interior quality, in 2010 I test drove that MY STI and was not impressed with the rattles and squeaks. I hope the interior quality of the new cars has improved.
To be honest, with the 2-series the interior leaves a lot to be desired - Dakota leather is hard, and does not look really good, the dash is hard plastic, but no rattles! - , even with a 3- or 4-series unless you upgrade to a leather dash and nicer leather seats - guess what, the price goes thru the roof then.
I contacted Ramsey, and have spoken to Megan - she basically told me to go shop around and come to her with the offers from other dealers, and she is pretty sure she can give me the best price/option combo.
They have a few 2017's scattered around area, so that might be a better option if availability of the 2018's dips into late summer.
I will definitely test drive the car before say - yes, I think I can replace my BMW with it.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:19 AM   #10
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^^^^ Not sure who Megan is, but you need to go through Clayton first. He is the internet sales manager. Mention "ClubWRX pricing". If you can find better than 500 under invoice that's awesome. If you can't just go to Ramsey.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:26 AM   #11
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I personally like the base over the limited. I like the alcatera interior. The leather in the Subi is not super nice IMHO.
Not sure if you can still get it, but I thought you could order the base with the HK audio. Doesn't solve the spoiler problem, but there are plenty of WRX people who want the BFW.

I have a 2016 base STi with the BFW and go back and forth on whether that was a good decision. Its a lot of fun when you want it to be, its jarring and jerky when you're just trying to get where you're going.

The wing is iconic. Some days I feel i'd rather not have it, and others I feel it completes the package (however over the top the packaging is).
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:27 AM   #12
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If you can't just go to Ramsey.
Gordon Ramsey?
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:44 AM   #13
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Gordon Ramsey?
You call that a FKING TURBO!!?!!?
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:48 AM   #14
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What is driving you to the STI to begin with?

Honestly, I wouldn't buy an STI or WRX for the price these days, especially when it comes to certain qualities and performance.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:27 AM   #15
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Long term, the Subaru will be much cheaper to maintain and run in my experience. I can live without the creature comforts if it means replacing a sensor doesn't cost $1,000 each time and electronic gremlins stay away.
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Interesting discussion. wanted to chime in as I am switching from a 2013 328 xdrive because:
- Depreciation is high as hell. I bought mine slightly used for 16k under msrp, and still lost another 50% in 3 years. Granted there was a 50k maintenance & warranty. still this does not make up for the steep depreciation.
- I have not had any issues with the car past warranty, but there is a luxury tax for any routine maintenance (stealerships not even included here). It would be cheaper to fix a subaru than a bimmer any day.
- While the interior is nice, the driving dynamics are average. I was never wowed by the 328. I don't think I will miss it.

Ultimately the switch depends on the type of driver you are. If one values driving dynamics to luxury feel, it would probably be an easy switch.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:37 AM   #17
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Long term, the Subaru will be much cheaper to maintain and run in my experience. I can live without the creature comforts if it means replacing a sensor doesn't cost $1,000 each time and electronic gremlins stay away.
Since we're prejudging vehicles based on issues that may have appeared in the past (IE electrical gremlins of the early 2000's) then he'd be better off with that as a new block for when your piston ****s the bed is going to cause 2-3K in damage and require more for labor.

Just playing both sides.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:55 AM   #18
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A Golf R may be a better compromise as it's a major shift going from a BMW to an STI. Unless you really, really want to get into something more raw you will probably get tired pretty quickly of the bad paint, ride and interior quality/noises, etc.
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Just offering my opinion....if I had to do it again I wouldn't go with a WRX/STI. For just a little more money you can get something more adequate (more luxury, power, technology, and MPG). Yes some other brands depreciate alot more and require more maintenance, but who the **** cares... I'm holding on to mine for just a little while longer and trading it in for something else (probably​ German). Dude, go look at a CPO Audi with a 3.0T option.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:21 PM   #20
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What is driving you to the STI to begin with?

Honestly, I wouldn't buy an STI or WRX for the price these days, especially when it comes to certain qualities and performance.
Here is why in the nutshell
1. My car depreciated 40% in the first 3 years of the ownership.
2. It comes to the end of the warranty period next year, and we all know the price tag on the BMW upkeep.
3. I have a large dog, and would love to take her on the trips with me in the crate on the backseat, the current setup does not allow me to put a large crate at the backseat, and I know what it's like to have your seatbelts chewed off, and also having your dog on the front seat and getting into a car accident - not fun.
4. At some point in the nearest future the family expansion is inevitable - more use for the back seat.

Also thank you for the pointers on who to contact at Ramsey Subaru!
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Just offering my opinion....if I had to do it again I wouldn't go with a WRX/STI. For just a little more money you can get something more adequate (more luxury, power, technology, and MPG). Yes some other brands depreciate alot more and require more maintenance, but who the **** cares... I'm holding on to mine for just a little while longer and trading it in for something else (probably​ German). Dude, go look at a CPO Audi with a 3.0T option.
No Audi fan here
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A Golf R may be a better compromise as it's a major shift going from a BMW to an STI. Unless you really, really want to get into something more raw you will probably get tired pretty quickly of the bad paint, ride and interior quality/noises, etc.
I looked at the Golf R and the insurance rate - my premium will basically double - F that!
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Just offering my opinion....if I had to do it again I wouldn't go with a WRX/STI. For just a little more money you can get something more adequate (more luxury, power, technology, and MPG). Yes some other brands depreciate alot more and require more maintenance, but who the **** cares... I'm holding on to mine for just a little while longer and trading it in for something else (probably​ German). Dude, go look at a CPO Audi with a 3.0T option.
I'm 10000% biased towards this as the best option.
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So coming from a BMW and thinking STi for a dog that needs to be contained, a potential dependent expansion and an aversion to high insurance..... Hmmmm

2 year old GT-R!

I think you're actually a candidate for a Jeep Grand Cherokee. When I was waiting for my salesman at the Jeep dealer, a dude and his very pregnant wife were trading in their Z4 and getting like $7 for it towards a Grand Pubah version GC. They're actually really nice inside, about as reliable as an M anything and cost less to fix. Get the extended warranty so that Fiat will replace the self imploding transmission every 50k miles. The engine is one of the best in the industry.
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So coming from a BMW and thinking STi for a dog that needs to be contained, a potential dependent expansion and an aversion to high insurance..... Hmmmm

2 year old GT-R!

I think you're actually a candidate for a Jeep Grand Cherokee. When I was waiting for my salesman at the Jeep dealer, a dude and his very pregnant wife were trading in their Z4 and getting like $7 for it towards a Grand Pubah version GC. They're actually really nice inside, about as reliable as an M anything and cost less to fix. Get the extended warranty so that Fiat will replace the self imploding transmission every 50k miles. The engine is one of the best in the industry.
Thanks for your insight - one of my friends traded in a 335i for a GC. It is a nice Fiat, still looks like Ron Swanson went over the interior with a chisel.
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