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Old 06-08-2021, 07:21 PM   #1
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:58 PM   #2
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Ascent -Onyx..More darker version...Nice!
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:08 PM   #3
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it makes you wonder if the wilderness trim will be next doesn't it.
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:39 PM   #4
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:09 PM   #5
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Wonder if that will now make it on the Outback Onyx Edition
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Old 06-09-2021, 03:07 PM   #6
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I suppose SoA is trying to boost their sliding Ascent sales numbers with a special edition. I'm not sure it will work... their other models were already selling great before offering additional trims. I hate to see it, but this may be Tribeca 2.0 if they can't find a way to get an EV sooner or bring the cost down.
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Old 06-09-2021, 03:30 PM   #7
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I suppose SoA is trying to boost their sliding Ascent sales numbers with a special edition. I'm not sure it will work... their other models were already selling great before offering additional trims. I hate to see it, but this may be Tribeca 2.0 if they can't find a way to get an EV sooner or bring the cost down.
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Old 06-09-2021, 09:10 PM   #8
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I'm puzzled by the timing. Isn't the 2022 Ascent a mid-model refresh due to be previewed in the fall? Why release Onyx this late in the model year?

That said, I'm hoping the StarTex upholstery carries over to Ascent from the Outback Onyx. And yeah, I do want to see an Ascent Wilderness ASAP, but pretty sure I'll see that on Forester (and maybe Crosstrek) first.
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Old 06-09-2021, 10:43 PM   #9
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The badge looks cool. And even if the Ascent flops, at least it looks waaaaaay better than the monstrosity that was the Tribeca
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Old 06-10-2021, 01:17 PM   #10
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I suppose SoA is trying to boost their sliding Ascent sales numbers with a special edition. I'm not sure it will work... their other models were already selling great before offering additional trims. I hate to see it, but this may be Tribeca 2.0 if they can't find a way to get an EV sooner or bring the cost down.
I have said from the start that the Ascent is just too much money for a CVT equipped vehicle. You can't half-ass vehicles at this price segment as Kia and Hyundai did this type of vehicle much better in the Telluride and Palisade.
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I have said from the start that the Ascent is just too much money for a CVT equipped vehicle. You can't half-ass vehicles at this price segment as Kia and Hyundai did this type of vehicle much better in the Telluride and Palisade.
Even Nissan ditched the CVT in their new Pathfinder. I'm sure the CVT is an issue for some potential buyers, whether it really is or not.
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I suppose SoA is trying to boost their sliding Ascent sales numbers with a special edition. I'm not sure it will work... their other models were already selling great before offering additional trims. I hate to see it, but this may be Tribeca 2.0 if they can't find a way to get an EV sooner or bring the cost down.

It's not a special edition. It's a trim level. And it is a mid-cycle; so, time for some fresh offerings. Ascent sold more in it's first year than ALL 9 years of the Tribeca combined and you are considering it a "failure"?



So a pandemic shutting down the plant and then opening at reduced capacity......then a semiconductor shortage meaning they can't make as many doesn't have ANY bearing on slumping sales?









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I have said from the start that the Ascent is just too much money for a CVT equipped vehicle. You can't half-ass vehicles at this price segment as Kia and Hyundai did this type of vehicle much better in the Telluride and Palisade.

The CVT makes it half-ass'd?


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Even Nissan ditched the CVT in their new Pathfinder. I'm sure the CVT is an issue for some potential buyers, whether it really is or not.



I love the comparisons of different systems like this. NISSAN'S CVT has been a big headache. If CVT was such an issue, Subaru wouldn't have had 12 years of sales increases while moving to all CVT. Right? People HATE CVT soo much cause they are soo bad that they would go elsewhere. Right?
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Old 06-10-2021, 04:25 PM   #14
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The CVT makes it half-ass'd?
Exactly. This isn't an economy car segment. Nissan got the message and you only need to read the positive buzz created from finally dropping the CVT to realize how much of a burden a CVT is in this segment.

https://carbuzz.com/news/nissan-fina...ggest-problems (fixed biggest problem)

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ (now more appealing)

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/niss...-drive-review/ (back on the right track)

https://www.wardsauto.com/vehicles/n...oots-loses-cvt (back to roots)
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Old 06-10-2021, 04:46 PM   #15
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Nissan has an especially horrendous CVT that doesn't speak on behalf of all CVTs. So let's not act like most people who are buying SUVs are jumping over to Nissan specifically because they ditched the CVT.
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Old 06-10-2021, 08:36 PM   #16
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Even Nissan ditched the CVT in their new Pathfinder. I'm sure the CVT is an issue for some potential buyers, whether it really is or not.
The CVT in our 2012 Outback sucked, the one in our Ascent is perfectly fine. I donít even notice itís not a slush box.
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Old 06-10-2021, 10:07 PM   #17
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If CVT was such an issue, Subaru wouldn't have had 12 years of sales increases while moving to all CVT. Right? People HATE CVT soo much cause they are soo bad that they would go elsewhere. Right?
The direction of change of sales doesn't tell you whether or not you're losing potential customers. Subaru has exploded into the mainstream in the past decade thanks to a relationship to Toyota and a public that's bought into some ridiculous idea that Subarus are therefore as reliable as Toyotas. The trend has been upward despite the CVTs.

The folks who came out in droves to buy WRXs 20 years ago are certainly lost to Subaru these days. Sure, there are some hardcore brand whores here, but this is an enthusiast board, but many of us will never buy another Subaru so long as CVTs are all they can offer. The Ascent market space is full of better finished, better driving vehicles that are built on more robust platforms.
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The direction of change of sales doesn't tell you whether or not you're losing potential customers. Subaru has exploded into the mainstream in the past decade thanks to a relationship to Toyota and a public that's bought into some ridiculous idea that Subarus are therefore as reliable as Toyotas. The trend has been upward despite the CVTs.

The folks who came out in droves to buy WRXs 20 years ago are certainly lost to Subaru these days. Sure, there are some hardcore brand whores here, but this is an enthusiast board, but many of us will never buy another Subaru so long as CVTs are all they can offer. The Ascent market space is full of better finished, better driving vehicles that are built on more robust platforms.
Kindly point out the "enthusiasts" anywhere but in your mind. Peruse all the Subaru forums. Stand on the street corner with a pencil and a pad of paper and tally them. Report back.

Have fun with that.

Do you realize how ignorantly juvenile you actually sound?? Parse your quoted post first thing some morning when your head is clear. Then look up Washington Irving.
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Old 06-11-2021, 01:19 PM   #19
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Really?

I think Nissan did the numbers and realized the warranty cost with the CVT were killing them.

SOA doesnít report profitability anymore but Subaru is down 48% last I saw. Problem is they do not break-out the warranty cost. There is also pandemic and exchange rates now.

SOA has had a transmission on the market for over 20 years now, 2009-2021, that is unserviceable. Dealers still canít touch it. Why would you own one out of warranty?

Thatís just my thoughts.

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Really?

I think Nissan did the numbers and realized the warranty cost with the CVT were killing them.

SOA doesn't report profitability anymore but Subaru is down 48% last I saw. Problem is they do not break-out the warranty cost. There is also pandemic and exchange rates now.

SOA has had a transmission on the market for over 20 years now, 2009-2021, that is unserviceable. Dealers still can't touch it. Why would you own one out of warranty?

That's just my thoughts.

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2021-2009 = over 20?

But yes, that is the exact reason people don't want CVTs. They can't be serviced and warranty coverage only lasts for what? 60k still? Unless you'd like to buy an extended warranty? But hey, the customer is always wrong, right?
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Really?

I think Nissan did the numbers and realized the warranty cost with the CVT were killing them.

SOA doesnít report profitability anymore but Subaru is down 48% last I saw. Problem is they do not break-out the warranty cost. There is also pandemic and exchange rates now.

SOA has had a transmission on the market for over 20 years now, 2009-2021, that is unserviceable. Dealers still canít touch it. Why would you own one out of warranty?

Thatís just my thoughts.

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Your question might be better addressed to those who buy used cars than posed as a rhetorical conundrum here. You know, the buyers keeping all those used CVT Subaru prices so high?

I'll pose one of my own: Is everyone stupid except for the tenured cognoscenti here on NASIOC....
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Kindly point out the "enthusiasts" anywhere but in your mind. Peruse all the Subaru forums. Stand on the street corner with a pencil and a pad of paper and tally them. Report back.
Hey, look.. the penultimate NASIOC Subaru CVT enthusiast got offended by my comment.



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Do you realize how ignorantly juvenile you actually sound?? Parse your quoted post first thing some morning when your head is clear. Then look up Washington Irving.
U mad, bro?
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U mad, bro?
Go easy on him. I would be mad at life as well if I fancied myself as an automobile enthusiast and was stuck driving a Crosstrek.
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LOL, I reckon more than 99 percent of the people that buy these cars couldn't tell the difference between a DCT and CVT...CVT is perfectly fine for a "SUV".
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The direction of change of sales doesn't tell you whether or not you're losing potential customers. Subaru has exploded into the mainstream in the past decade thanks to a relationship to Toyota and a public that's bought into some ridiculous idea that Subarus are therefore as reliable as Toyotas. The trend has been upward despite the CVTs.
Subaru had a reputation for reliability long before Toyota came along. The average person has zero association of Toyota and Subaru together.
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