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Old 02-04-2021, 12:01 PM   #1
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Three Lexus cars will get the high-performance F treatment later this year.

The new 2021 Lexus IS debuted last year with sharper styling and improved handling. It's undoubtedly an improvement over its predecessor, but there's still one glaring omission in the current IS lineup: the high-performance IS F. After a long hiatus, Lexus' beloved BMW M3 rival is finally making a comeback for a new generation. According to Japan's Best Car Web, the new IS F will debut this November alongside several other new F performance models.

Whereas the current IS is offered with either a 2.0-liter turbo-four engine producing 241 hp and 258 lb-ft or a 3.5-liter V6 rated at 260 hp and 236 lb-ft, the new IS F will pack a 5.0-liter naturally aspirated V8 engine.

In the RC F, this unit generates 472 horsepower and 395 lb-ft of torque, but Best Car Web claims it will have 474 hp on tap.

For the first time, the Lexus LS flagship sedan is also allegedly getting the high-performance F treatment in November, enabling Lexus to take on the Mercedes-AMG S63 and BMW M760i. Under the hood will reportedly be the automaker's newly developed 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 generating 660 hp, which will make the LS F significantly more powerful than its chief rivals. For reference, the S63's 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 is rated at 603 hp and 664 lb-ft of torque, while the M760i produces 600 hp and 627 lb-ft of torque from a 6.6-liter twin-turbo V12.

Contrary to reports last year claiming the LC F had been scrapped, the Japanese publication claims the long-awaited flagship sports coupe is on track for a November debut. Like the LS F, the LC F is expected to utilize a 660-hp 4.0-liter V8. To cope with all that extra muscle, the chassis will be retuned and the double-joint multi-link suspension will be modified to improve the rigidity. Also expect the track-focused LC F to boast a slew of aero enhancements including an aggressive front splitter, a fixed rear wing, and a vented hood.

If these claims are accurate then we can look forward to a Lexus F sports car onslaught towards the end of this year.
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Old 02-04-2021, 12:05 PM   #2
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The article kinda big so here's the link for translator and you can copy paste what you want to see.

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Old 02-04-2021, 12:08 PM   #3
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Toyota is quickly becoming my favorite car brand.
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Also expect the track-focused LC F to boast a slew of aero enhancements including an aggressive front splitter, a fixed rear wing, and a vented hood.
This is gonna be my most desired car on the market, practically guaranteed. Pity I'll never be able to afford it.
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Old 02-05-2021, 05:22 PM   #5
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I'm assuming it's a turbo V8. Too bad the days of high revving, awesome sounding, N/A engines are quickly disappearing. I would love to see them do a V10 again.
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Old 02-05-2021, 10:06 PM   #6
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I'm assuming it's a turbo V8. Too bad the days of high revving, awesome sounding, N/A engines are quickly disappearing. I would love to see them do a V10 again.
472 hp from 5.0L is gonna be normally aspirated I'm sure.
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Old 02-05-2021, 10:17 PM   #7
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I like the IS a lot - it's a bit old school and that's ok. With the V8 it would be awesome but it's probably gonna be what, $65k reasonably equipped? The IS350 is $55k already.

If you have $60k to burn, you gotta a lot of nice choices.
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472 hp from 5.0L is gonna be normally aspirated I'm sure.

I think he was referring to the LC-F which will supposedly be V8TT. For the IS-F, I expect it will be the N/A 5.0L.
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I like the IS a lot - it's a bit old school and that's ok. With the V8 it would be awesome but it's probably gonna be what, $65k reasonably equipped? The IS350 is $55k already.

If you have $60k to burn, you gotta a lot of nice choices.

The IS350 came down in price for this gen. IS350 RWD now starts at $44k. The handling package bumps it to $49k, which I expect that would be standard on the IS-F. The wild card is if they call it an IS 500 like the trademark. I could see it getting down into the mid $50k range if they forego bespoke body work that was on the previous IS-F. I guess we will see in the fall.
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it's probably gonna be what, $65k reasonably equipped?
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Hoping the LC F spawns a replacement for the RC F in GT endurance racing as Toyota/Lexus flagship GT. Have a feeling it would look so much better as a race car. Keep the Zupra in the GT 4 class.
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Old 02-07-2021, 12:16 AM   #12
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The IS350 came down in price for this gen. IS350 RWD now starts at $44k. The handling package bumps it to $49k, which I expect that would be standard on the IS-F. The wild card is if they call it an IS 500 like the trademark. I could see it getting down into the mid $50k range if they forego bespoke body work that was on the previous IS-F. I guess we will see in the fall.
Yeah I built an F Sport RWD Is350 and it’s $49k with dynamics and Mark Levinson. So maybe $55k? Not bad but lot of competition in that price range.
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Can’t wait to learn more about that 4.0. Love seeing Lexus become a little more competitive and breaking into that certain echelon of automotive. I personally feel like Lexus is underrated. I feel like the European manufacturers have a bit of a monopoly when it comes to these luxury yet Motorsport centric vehicles and it’s nice to see a little competition. Will I own any of those vehicles any time soon? Unfortunately no; but I do have an appreciation.
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Old 02-21-2021, 01:55 PM   #14
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Lexus is up to something.

Lexus is up to something but at this point in time, only Toyota’s luxury division knows the truth. Lexus continues to use social media to tease a new F-Sport product without any other supporting details for us to go on. Right now we only know that it has an engine cover with the Lexus F sport logo, red paint, and a door.

Lexus is planning to bring us a brand-new F-Sport model with a debut set for February 22, 2021, at 11:00am Eastern standard time. Until then all we can do is speculate based on a few clues released by Lexus and gather by our team.

The Lexus F-Sport and full-on F products are unique breeds among other luxury performance cars. Instead of using the most cutting-edge tech to squeeze out diminishing returns on performance, Lexus’s sporty products are more soulful. If you were to cross-shop any of Lexus’s performance cars with rivals based on spec sheets alone Lexus would not sell any of their sporty product offerings.

Lexus F products have been defined by the naturally aspirated 2UR 5.0-liter V8 engine that stands out from its downsized turbocharged competition. As Toyota and Lexus push for more economical drivetrains that also need to remain competitive, we expect the 2UR V8 to live in the past as one of the last great naturally aspirated V8 engines.


Instead for this upcoming F-Sport Lexus, we hope to see at least a new turbocharged V6 engine, which will allow Lexus to compete with mid-tier performance models from its German rivals. Although a turbocharged engine will lack the character of a V8, its performance potential would be hard to ignore and allow Lexus to compete against its rivals who have achieved impressive performance from similar engines.
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Looks hawt. NA V8. It has real exhaust tips. Good job Lexus.
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Will still get smoked by the M340i, which will probably be cheaper as well.
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It's always 2013 at Lexus.
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Surprise that Toyota is not abandoning the V8.
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Will still get smoked by the M340i, which will probably be cheaper as well.
M340i starts at 55k, I think they are going to be at similar price points, with the Lexus being cheaper since it's mostly a parts-bin send off model.

Lexus NA V8 with 472/396 @ ~3,900lbs vs. BMW Turbo I6 with 382/369 @ ~4,000lbs; I hate paper racing, but I disagree with your assessment based on the information we have right now (mainly, spec sheets).

That argument aside, I think the Lexus will be the more engaging car to drive and have an infinitely better soundtrack.

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It's always 2013 at Lexus.
What part about this combination is a bad thing? it's not a piece of tech-laden e-garbage that will be outdated in three years, like nearly everything else on the road. Not trying to come off in a combative manner; it's an NA V8 with the second best 8AT on the market, feeding the rear wheels with a mechanical diff. The cabin is very driver centric, and loaded with physical controls. It's basically a parts-bin send off to the current gen of the IS in nearly the best possible way (only better way would be a proper IS-F).

With everyone else going small displacement, fewer cylinders and turbos to make up the deficit, I'm happy to see something like this hit the market.
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It's definitely cool that Lexus is working on the V8 IS500.

BMW's engine rating is not to be trusted.. For some reason they market their engines very conservatively. I would not be surprised if the M340 is churning that power at the wheels (or more). Thing can propel itself to 60 in under 4 sec from the read..
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So they’re five years ahead of Subaru?
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IS500 does sound good knowing a 5.0 V8 is under the hood.
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M340i starts at 55k, I think they are going to be at similar price points, with the Lexus being cheaper since it's mostly a parts-bin send off model.

Lexus NA V8 with 472/396 @ ~3,900lbs vs. BMW Turbo I6 with 382/369 @ ~4,000lbs; I hate paper racing, but I disagree with your assessment based on the information we have right now (mainly, spec sheets).

That argument aside, I think the Lexus will be the more engaging car to drive and have an infinitely better soundtrack.



What part about this combination is a bad thing? it's not a piece of tech-laden e-garbage that will be outdated in three years, like nearly everything else on the road. Not trying to come off in a combative manner; it's an NA V8 with the second best 8AT on the market, feeding the rear wheels with a mechanical diff. The cabin is very driver centric, and loaded with physical controls. It's basically a parts-bin send off to the current gen of the IS in nearly the best possible way (only better way would be a proper IS-F).

With everyone else going small displacement, fewer cylinders and turbos to make up the deficit, I'm happy to see something like this hit the market.
Amen, I wish BMW still sold something like this. If it had a manual it'd be perfect for me. As is I'd much rather have a normally aspirated V8, plus you get Lexus reliability and resale, and the car's not huge.

Between this and the CT4-V 6mT would be a tough call if both are $60k. Love the idea of a manual but a Lexus V8 is so much more awesome than the Chevy TT V6.
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