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Old 05-04-2021, 06:36 AM   #1
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New study shows one in five electric car owners intends to return to petrol-engined vehicles

The ownership experience with electric vehicles isn’t altogether positive for a significant proportion of buyers, according to a study of one of the most EV-friendly regions on the planet – California.

Range anxiety, poor charging infrastructure and the time required to charge an EV were some of the reasons listed by the 4160 people who took part in the research as to why they wouldn’t buy another EV in future.

The study, which was conducted in association with the University of California’s Institute of Transportation Studies, found that around 80 per cent of EV owners will buy another battery-powered car when next upgrading – but that almost 20 per cent plan to ditch their electric car in favour of a petrol-engined vehicle.


According to the report published at Nature Energy, discontinuance of plug-in electric vehicles in California “occurs at a rate of 20 per cent for plug-in hybrid electric vehicle owners and 18 per cent for battery-electric vehicle owners”.

“We show that discontinuance is related to dissatisfaction with the convenience of charging, having other vehicles in the household that are less efficient, not having Level 2 [240-volt] charging at home, having fewer household vehicles and not being male,” the report’s authors said.

California offers strong incentives to purchase EVs, which is driving up adoption rates. However, the data suggests ownership experiences are not uniformly positive.

Electric car owners most likely to trade in their EV for a conventional combustion-engined car included those with only one car and who didn’t have off-street parking, making at-home charging impractical if not near-impossible.


Electric cars currently only account for a fraction of new vehicle sales in Australia, but the move towards widespread electrification is underway as major overseas markets and the world’s biggest car manufacturers shift from internal combustion engines to plug-in models.

Victoria has this week introduced a $3000 subsidy for the purchase of new electric vehicles as debate continues to rage over a new EV road-user tax that’s set to be introduced in the state.

The federal government is also under increasing pressure to formulate a long-term policy to reduce emissions in the transport section, with EV subsidies and recharging infrastructure high on the agenda.
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1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows.

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Roughly 20% of electric vehicle owners in California replaced their cars with gas ones, a new study shows.

The main reason drivers made the switch was the inconvenience of charging.
The findings suggest new challenges facing the growth of the nascent electric vehicle market.

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In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.

But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range.

"Overnight, we're looking at 36 miles of range," he told Insider. "Before I gave it back to Ford, because I wanted to give it back full, I drove it to the office and plugged in at the charger we have there."

Standard home outlets generally put out about 120 volts of power at what electric vehicle aficionados call "Level 1" charging, while the high-powered specialty connections offer 240 volts of power and are known as "Level 2." By comparison, Tesla's "Superchargers," which can fully charge its cars in a little over an hour, offer 480 volts of direct current.

That difference is night and day, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Energy by University of California Davis researchers Scott Hardman and Gil Tal that surveyed Californians who purchased an electric vehicle between 2012 and 2018.

Roughly one in five plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) owners switched back to owning gas-powered cars, in large part because charging the batteries was a pain in the… trunk, the researchers found.

Of those who switched, over 70% lacked access to Level 2 charging at home, and slightly fewer than that lacked Level 2 connections at their workplace.

"If you don't have a Level 2, it's almost impossible," said Tynan, who has tested a wide range of makes and models of PEVs over the years for his research.

Even with the faster charging, a Chevy Bolt he tested still needed nearly six hours to top its range back up to 300 miles from nearly empty — something that takes him just minutes at the pump with his family SUV.

Public charging stations may look like the electric version of the gas station, but nearly two-thirds of PEV drivers in the survey said they didn't use them. Exactly why they didn't use the public stalls was not specified.

EVs have come a long way in recent years in terms of range, safety, comfort, and tech features, but Hardman and Tal note that very little has changed in terms of how they are recharged.

The researchers warned that this trend could make it harder to achieve electric vehicle sales targets in California and other countries, and the growth of the market overall.

"It should not be assumed that once a consumer purchases a PEV they will continue owning one," Hardman and Tal wrote. "What is clear is that this could slow PEV market growth and make reaching 100% PEV sales more difficult."

Fixing the charging issue will require more participation from automakers, who have yet to find a profitable way of producing electric cars. Even Tesla, easily the leader in the category, was only able to eke out a first-quarter profit by selling energy credits and bitcoin.

"For all those legacy automakers, that profit and loss piece does matter. And that's why you're getting this half effort on electrification," Tynan said.
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Old 05-04-2021, 07:07 AM   #2
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Old 05-04-2021, 07:36 AM   #3
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If you have at least a level 1 charger at home, you may be fine as long as your commute isn't that long.
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Old 05-04-2021, 08:49 AM   #4
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Yeah, it's the infrastructure indeed. I would not want an EV yet unless it was like a hot hatch version of an i3 or something just for fun I would zip around in on the weekends.
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Old 05-05-2021, 06:15 AM   #5
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We show that discontinuance is related to dissatisfaction with the convenience of charging, having other vehicles in the household that are less efficient, not having Level 2 [240-volt] charging at home, having fewer household vehicles and not being male,” the report’s authors said.
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Old 05-05-2021, 06:59 AM   #6
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If you have at least a level 1 charger at home, you may be fine as long as your commute isn't that long.

I haven't used public charging in years.
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How many of those "20%" had earlier EVs that had low range that were more compliance vehicles at the time?
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The key is at-home charging. If you're relying on public infrastructure for charging right now, it's going to be pretty inconvenient.

Yet another way that the push to EV's will disproportionately hurt lower income families that can't afford the house with a yard, a dog, and a white picket fence.
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The key is at-home charging. If you're relying on public infrastructure for charging right now, it's going to be pretty inconvenient.

Yet another way that the push to EV's will disproportionately hurt lower income families that can't afford the house with a yard, a dog, and a white picket fence.
There will be lot of used ICE machines for cheap
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If you have at least a level 1 charger at home, you may be fine as long as your commute isn't that long.
At least? May?

Average person could do basic 110v charging no problem. Your car sits when you sleep, yes? Ours refuels and magically has a full tank every morning.

Seriously, we rarely ever charge anywhere but home. Hell, in 3 years we haven’t even used ChAdEmO (whatever) yet.
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Old 05-05-2021, 02:06 PM   #12
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If I had a 15 mile commute I could see getting a BEV as a second car once prices come down and selection goes up. It will happen over time.

As it stands now I have to fill up the bike after two days of commuting, reserve light comes on at 125 miles.
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uh huh. a bunch of POS's, and a dwindling or non-existent infrastructure to maintain them.
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The nuts in the neighborhood with 3 EVs (I think every neighborhood has at least one of those) just got an ICE SUV...was shocking.
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There's a guy in the office that just switched from a Model 3 to a Jeep Gladiator of all things but charging wasn't a problem for him as much as the Tesla ownership experience was. One nice thing about our office is that all the parking stalls have their own 120V outlets (because Canada and block heater charging in in the winter).
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I can probably think of 10 or slightly more surgeons that bought Tesla's and have since gone back to their Porsche 911 Turbo / Cayenne / Raptor or other cars. All of them had some form of P series Tesla, all of them agreed it was wicked fast and cool but the fun factor wore off quickly and to them, the quality, misc issues or just plain boredom of driving it caused them to switch.


I do however have a few that have kept them and love them as well. So, different strokes for different folks.
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I can probably think of 10 or slightly more surgeons that bought Tesla's and have since gone back to their Porsche 911 Turbo / Cayenne / Raptor or other cars. All of them had some form of P series Tesla, all of them agreed it was wicked fast and cool but the fun factor wore off quickly and to them, the quality, misc issues or just plain boredom of driving it caused them to switch.


I do however have a few that have kept them and love them as well. So, different strokes for different folks.
Doesn't help that the Model S is getting on to be a decade old. Tesla need some new 6 figure play thing for people to buy.
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Doesn't help that the Model S is getting on to be a decade old. Tesla need some new 6 figure play thing for people to buy.
Even the model 3 is starting to look a little stale. Now that other automakers are trotting out EV's the model 3 interior is looking worse all the time.
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So, different strokes for different folks.

And that right there is the whole point of America. When I can tow a 5,000 lbs trailer with kids, bikes and bins of firewood 300 miles and "refuel" in 5 minutes at any gas station, I'll switch to EV.
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when there's 3 - 10 or 20 ahead and it takes 45min to 2 hours
they are same as IC pollution well to well sp why are we doing this? Electric motors are great but the batteries big weak point. You won't see all those miracle batteries promising since 90s any time soon.

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they are same as IC pollution well to well
Keep your fake news on Parler, K?
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when there's 3 - 10 or 20 ahead and it takes 45min to 2 hours
they are same as IC pollution well to well sp why are we doing this? Electric motors are great but the batteries big weak point. You won't see all those miracle batteries promising since 90s any time soon.

https://youtu.be/NFSXDhBXUQg
That's in San Luis Obispo along highway 101; the Madonna Inn itself is a big tourist attraction (themed rooms).
There's another Tesla Supercharger spot in Pismo Beach a little further south.
IMO, there's nothing to see here.
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