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Old 11-19-2009, 07:03 PM   #1
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There isn't an AWD dyno within 350 miles of where I am in Boise ID. I am seriously thinking of buying one and starting a side business of just Fri/Sat dyno runs. There is a pretty big Suby and Mitsu following here, and they have no where to go. Has anyone had experience with this? Could I keep a dyno payment paid two day a week? I'd do dyno days with the local clubs so I'd do fwd and rwd runs as well. It seems like I can pick up a used mustang for $45-50k. Being the only one around, I think I'd get a fairly good repeat customer base. I have a friend who owns a commercial building with a few empty units, so the rent would be cheap. I would only need to do about 500-800 runs to pay the dyno off, and then just pay the rent after that. Any CONSTRUCTIVE input is welcomed.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:13 PM   #2
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i dont know anything about the maintenance costs but dynos generally run a 500 flat fee (where i live) and if you get around 4-5 a month you can well maintain the monthly payment and make good profit.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:15 PM   #3
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$500?

I'd only charge $150 for three runs per charge. I thought that was fairly typical. I don't think many around here would pay more then that.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:18 PM   #4
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actually disregard my previous post. its 500 for a dyno tune.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:21 PM   #5
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Ahhh, yeah that'd maybe come later. I really thought $100-150 would be the highest that people would pay.

Also, does anyone know how you would position a WBO2 on a catted vehicle while running? I'd guess you can't unless then have a bung already.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:27 PM   #6
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you would replace the factory o2 for tuning. fifty a pull sounds fair. team up with a tuner they get a cut you get a cut
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:30 PM   #7
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Side question:

For my own car I've always wondered if someone has replaced the factory with a WB permanently and spliced the LB wires to the stock ECU. One sensor, both functions. Don't know if it's possible or not.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:34 PM   #8
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I am from Idaho Falls so I have the same problem you do. If you did tuning and installs I think it could do good. Just have to start at the right time. Need any help with work? I would be down.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:35 PM   #9
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Unless a hired hand or yourself can tune a customers vehicle, forget the idea. Do this once or twice and your reputation will go south.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:42 PM   #10
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Sounds like a good thing for the locals. Have you tried asking some of your local guys what they think? i.e. Posting up in one of the chaptered forums?
You should also look into the whole legal-side of owning/running a dyno. There are some Jack-asses out there that would jump on the chance to sue someone who's in the business for good. Bastards! All sounds good. Just look into all that is needed to run this thing safely and sound. Good luck.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:53 PM   #11
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The first thing I would do is create and complete and well thought out business plan. See what everything is going to cost. Dyno, building, land, insurance, etc. There is no point what so ever in throwing 40-50k out there when it will probably get you no where in starting a business.

If, however, you have so much money you can throw that much on a whim. Then, disregard my previous statement.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:53 PM   #12
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I wouldn't likely do tunes for a bit. Just base runs and possibly bolt on mods.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:56 PM   #13
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Business planning is what I am doing now, but numbers on a paper are nothing without talking to people that have experience. BTW the reason I am looking at used dynos is the resale is basically level for quite a few years. So while there are risks obviously, I could sale it to get at least most of my money back.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:46 PM   #14
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I think it's a great idea but what are you gonna do once everyone in the area has done a pull on your dyno? I'm sure there are no shops w/dynos (awd) in the area for a reason. The only way to keep steady business is if you are doing tuning on it.
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:11 PM   #15
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Well, people make changes to their car and want re-runs to compare results. Also, I am willing to get into parts selling/installing if it will pan out. Heck, I'd sell parts for cost and charge only labor. Then when the ecu relearns I would offer a discounted dyno run. I fully intend to get in touch with a couple of the local respected road tuners and try to work something out that way as well.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:03 PM   #16
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Look into (off the top of my head).....

Insurance
Incorporation as an LLC
rent for where you plan to locate
Business license requirements and permit/license costs
Noise abatement or rules for where you plan to locate

If you're able to talk with Joe Marko at HMS Motorsports, ask him why he sold his dyno. I know it wasn't paying its keep, but he was running a business already and was pressed for space.

Talk with an insurance agent....they usually have a good idea about business expenses and requirements.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:22 PM   #17
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Dang I didn't realize they were so pricey: http://www.land-and-sea.com/chassis-...204WD%20Models

I'd skip all the business stuff and just do it strictly cash only with people you already know or can be vouched for. That whole tax, license, official stuff, and insurance thing costs too much.
I'm kidding, but seriously, it's not a bad idea.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:30 PM   #18
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Yeah, I have land&sea down to $63 now. LOL
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Old 11-20-2009, 01:02 AM   #19
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an all wheel dyno from dynojet in the wood boxes is $80,000.00 plus you have to take 4 days to setup and install.
and with the 4 post lift it was over 36 feet long.
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Old 11-20-2009, 02:06 AM   #20
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Ahhh, yeah that'd maybe come later. I really thought $100-150 would be the highest that people would pay.

Also, does anyone know how you would position a WBO2 on a catted vehicle while running? I'd guess you can't unless then have a bung already.

Most shops use a tailpipe fitting that slips in.
If the car has a cat, you just compensate a little when looking at the AFRs.
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Old 11-20-2009, 10:16 AM   #21
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Also, does anyone know how you would position a WBO2 on a catted vehicle while running? I'd guess you can't unless then have a bung already.
Tail-mount, same as normal, you just have to compensate for it

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you would replace the factory o2 for tuning.
Not at all.
A - Aftermarket wideband sensors can't take that kind of heat, it would fail VERY quickly
B - The pressure in the exhaust manifold would screw up the results worse than the cat, that's the reason we can't use our factory wideband once we get into boost

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For my own car I've always wondered if someone has replaced the factory with a WB permanently and spliced the LB wires to the stock ECU. One sensor, both functions. Don't know if it's possible or not.
See above
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Old 11-20-2009, 01:12 PM   #22
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an all wheel dyno from dynojet in the wood boxes is $80,000.00 plus you have to take 4 days to setup and install.
and with the 4 post lift it was over 36 feet long.
Normally yes...but we are running some SEMA and PRI special pricing which saves a purchaser several thousand dollars (or more). That's also a price for a 424xLC2, dual eddy current AWD version. You can get into AWD inertia only for less than 52k, and upgrade to eddy current in the future if you wish. We also now offer a mechanical LINX system to linking the two drums together for those cars that require the front and rear wheels to spin at the same speed, or have a center diff that isn't locked at 50/50 split.

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A - Aftermarket wideband sensors can't take that kind of heat, it would fail VERY quickly
B - The pressure in the exhaust manifold would screw up the results worse than the cat, that's the reason we can't use our factory wideband once we get into boost
Depends on the system and what wideband is used. The O2 we use in the Dynojet system can be run in a stock location if you choose. The heat won't affect it any more than it would the stock sensor.

Pressure is another matter, which is why you want the O2 sensor behind the turbo where pressure is relatively consistent with ambient.

The factory sensor is a narrowband, not a wideband.
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The factory sensor is a narrowband, not a wideband.
Ours is a wideband, people have compared it to aftermarket widebands and it can read up to ~18-20 and down to 11.0 accurately (if moved to after the turbo).
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What car are you speaking of exactly?
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