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Old 04-06-2022, 06:34 PM   #401
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Hey hey, I just want to take a few bikes and +1 along with me is all. That's when I get to drive on the best roads. And I loathe roof racks - tried a few times over the years. Can't beat a hitch.
I'm only playing.. the OEM muffler is using a cutout on the middle pipe. I'd prefer a lighter single-exit exhaust myself (I'm still pissed about the STI going to quad tips & dual mufflers ).

I wouldn't be surprised if the folks at Torklift couldn't make an Invisi or Stealth hitch for the GRC (ie: that would keep the stock exhaust). Given enough demand, they'll build whatever the market wants.

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I had a roof rack on my sti hatch, made trips to the home depot so easy, just rack up a few sheets of 4x8 on top of the roof, GTG.
I think the issue is spending the extra money on a lightweight CFRP roof, and then adding a roof rack to it. Also, unlike the Impreza, I seriously doubt they'll have any roof anchors to attach it to by the time they've gone to the trouble to add extra welds and a bonded roof.
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this corrolla make 300 horsepower but like the focus RS is probably going to have a lot of redundancy to limit timing and boost programmed in the ECU tables to protect the engine components in less than ideal conditions. It still has cast hypereutectic pistons and open deck block. I can see a lot of blown head gaskets in this cars future when owners try and crank(pun intended) up the horsepower on this already "pushing it" 1.6 liter.

So what I was saying before my little vacation referencing the short lived focus RS and this corrolla heading for the same outcome is that this engine is probably going to have headgasket failures when modded.
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Old 04-06-2022, 08:15 PM   #403
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Wow, did you even read the title of the article?!

"How Much Does The GR Corolla Differ From The GR Yaris?"
the Corolla is a couple of hundred lbs heavier than the Yaris.
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Old 04-06-2022, 08:41 PM   #404
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I think the issue is spending the extra money on a lightweight CFRP roof, and then adding a roof rack to it. Also, unlike the Impreza, I seriously doubt they'll have any roof anchors to attach it to by the time they've gone to the trouble to add extra welds and a bonded roof.
Lol, yeah, there's no doubt there won't be attachment for roof rack.
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Old 04-06-2022, 09:04 PM   #405
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Lol, yeah, there's no doubt there won't be attachment for roof rack.

The crossbars on my hatch donít touch the actual roof panel. The feet sit on the A pillar extension and the clamp wraps around the pillar seating into a hole where the window frame sits.


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Old 04-07-2022, 12:52 AM   #406
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this corrolla make 300 horsepower but like the focus RS is probably going to have a lot of redundancy to limit timing and boost programmed in the ECU tables to protect the engine components in less than ideal conditions. It still has cast hypereutectic pistons and open deck block. I can see a lot of blown head gaskets in this cars future when owners try and crank(pun intended) up the horsepower on this already "pushing it" 1.6 liter.

So what I was saying before my little vacation referencing the short lived focus RS and this corrolla heading for the same outcome is that this engine is probably going to have headgasket failures when modded.
The RS had a crap head design, the GR does not. That engine is sleeved in ways the the STI could only wish it was from the factory. In-line engines historically have less vibration and tolerate power incredibly well. How is this engine ďalready pushing it.Ē Where is your data that the engine is already being pushed?

You act like the STI is some modern marvel of engineering, itís not. Need flash, people were running 500 whp fairly reliably on the STI from 2004-2007íish era. Hell, there were a handful of people local to me back in the day (2004-2007 time frame) running 35rís making stupid power for year before cylinder 3 ring land fail.


I truly do not understand how you find logic in comparing the GR to the RS when there is nothing similar about them. You also fail to see the differences between the Yaris and the Corolla when it was clearly pointed out in an article and video which draws the conclusions of youíve done 0 reading and just spewing from your biased opinion.


You love the STI and Subaru, we get it and thatís fine. But your obsession that flood over in constant bashing and frankly, uneducated opinion of other vehicles and people choice to want them is beyond tiring.

Itís truly mind blowing how you and another certain someone are so obsessed over a damn vehicle and manufacturer.
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Old 04-07-2022, 01:25 AM   #407
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Old 04-07-2022, 01:39 AM   #408
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So which one of you secured (or at least think you have secured) an allocation at MSRP? Anyone in the NE, PM me with dealer info. Thanks
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Old 04-07-2022, 05:17 AM   #409
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So which one of you secured (or at least think you have secured) an allocation at MSRP? Anyone in the NE, PM me with dealer info. Thanks
I can probably go look it up if you give me a state and city area. PM if you want. Happy to go digging to help someone. Just a FYI, a lot of stealers in the NE arenít even taking deposits yet. Youíd just get a on list.
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Old 04-07-2022, 07:19 AM   #410
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Scooby, I PM'd ya. And exactly what Pre said. The dealerships are just taking note of who's interested. I wouldn't count on them to reach out to you first. I know all of us here are gonna call them the moment orders open up. Might have to put refundable deposits down at several dealers at once. Although one of them said they don't take deposits at all, which is kinda neat.

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Old 04-07-2022, 07:52 AM   #411
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The RS had a crap head design, the GR does not. That engine is sleeved in ways the the STI could only wish it was from the factory. In-line engines historically have less vibration and tolerate power incredibly well. How is this engine ďalready pushing it.Ē Where is your data that the engine is already being pushed?

You act like the STI is some modern marvel of engineering, itís not. Need flash, people were running 500 whp fairly reliably on the STI from 2004-2007íish era. Hell, there were a handful of people local to me back in the day (2004-2007 time frame) running 35rís making stupid power for year before cylinder 3 ring land fail.


I truly do not understand how you find logic in comparing the GR to the RS when there is nothing similar about them. You also fail to see the differences between the Yaris and the Corolla when it was clearly pointed out in an article and video which draws the conclusions of youíve done 0 reading and just spewing from your biased opinion.


You love the STI and Subaru, we get it and thatís fine. But your obsession that flood over in constant bashing and frankly, uneducated opinion of other vehicles and people choice to want them is beyond tiring.

Itís truly mind blowing how you and another certain someone are so obsessed over a damn vehicle and manufacturer.
Both of these guys live in the "Trust me Bro" society, where none of it is backed by science, only bro-science.
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:27 AM   #412
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The RS had a crap head design, the GR does not. That engine is sleeved in ways the the STI could only wish it was from the factory. In-line engines historically have less vibration and tolerate power incredibly well. How is this engine ďalready pushing it.Ē Where is your data that the engine is already being pushed?

You act like the STI is some modern marvel of engineering, itís not. Need flash, people were running 500 whp fairly reliably on the STI from 2004-2007íish era. Hell, there were a handful of people local to me back in the day (2004-2007 time frame) running 35rís making stupid power for year before cylinder 3 ring land fail.


I truly do not understand how you find logic in comparing the GR to the RS when there is nothing similar about them. You also fail to see the differences between the Yaris and the Corolla when it was clearly pointed out in an article and video which draws the conclusions of youíve done 0 reading and just spewing from your biased opinion.


You love the STI and Subaru, we get it and thatís fine. But your obsession that flood over in constant bashing and frankly, uneducated opinion of other vehicles and people choice to want them is beyond tiring.

Itís truly mind blowing how you and another certain someone are so obsessed over a damn vehicle and manufacturer.
be careful, he'll put you on his ignore list with replies like that.
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:39 AM   #413
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I second this. On behalf of the majority here that have him on ignore, please do not litter in the threads by quoting the troll.
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Old 04-07-2022, 10:31 AM   #414
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absolutely.

Is the stock Yaris an amazing goosebump inducing rally machine.

Nope.

If they can make the stock Yaris chassis that amazing and fun,
I see no reason they cannot work the same magic with the corolla chassis. I wager the suspension tuning 'boffins' at Toyota know a bit more about this than an under educated journalist.
My understanding is that the GR Yaris uses a modified GA-B suspension up front (Yaris), while the rear was upgraded to the GA-C suspension. GA-C is the Prius/Corolla, etc. platform.
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Old 04-07-2022, 12:02 PM   #415
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interesting. although, if I do end up with one of these, I will probably use the wife's OBW for the bigger HD hauls.
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interesting. although, if I do end up with one of these, I will probably use the wife's OBW for the bigger HD hauls.

I grab the 4Runner keys 4 out of 5 times Iím hauling bikes or picking up things. The hatchback form factor isnít even that much more useful than a sedan since I have a much bigger SUV at my disposal, but I still like them better than sedans.


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Old 04-07-2022, 02:04 PM   #417
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The RS had a crap head design, the GR does not. That engine is sleeved in ways the the STI could only wish it was from the factory. [...]
Also, there's a long ass list of EJ25 turbo engines pushing coolant out of the overflow tank when pushed hard on track: early sign of a damaged head gasket.
No matter what, the engine needs to come out. Been there, done that.
So, it's not like the RS has a monopoly on blown HGs; this is a Subaru forum for goodness sake, blown HGs should be the least of our worries .
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Old 04-07-2022, 02:28 PM   #418
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Hypothetical question for people interested in the GRC (I've already got a deposit on one):

Would the existence of a USDM WRX Sportwagon 6MT make you reconsider your GRC purchase?
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Old 04-07-2022, 02:41 PM   #419
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Would the existence of a USDM WRX Sportwagon 6MT make you reconsider your GRC purchase?
No because a WRX Wagon is a WRX, the GR Corolla was intended to be a STI competitor and Subaru killed that off for whatever reason.

I got a 2015 WRX in 2014, sold it, and was waiting to purchase the next gen STI. Alas that won't be happening. I wanted to move up to the highest level of performance of the brand this time around since I doubt we'll be seeing manual transmission gasoline powered cars for much longer.
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Yes. What I want is a wagon. What I'll accept is a hatch. What Subaru is offering is what I have.
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The RS had a crap head design, the GR does not. That engine is sleeved in ways the the STI could only wish it was from the factory. In-line engines historically have less vibration and tolerate power incredibly well. How is this engine ďalready pushing it.Ē Where is your data that the engine is already being pushed?

You act like the STI is some modern marvel of engineering, itís not. Need flash, people were running 500 whp fairly reliably on the STI from 2004-2007íish era. Hell, there were a handful of people local to me back in the day (2004-2007 time frame) running 35rís making stupid power for year before cylinder 3 ring land fail.


I truly do not understand how you find logic in comparing the GR to the RS when there is nothing similar about them. You also fail to see the differences between the Yaris and the Corolla when it was clearly pointed out in an article and video which draws the conclusions of youíve done 0 reading and just spewing from your biased opinion.


You love the STI and Subaru, we get it and thatís fine. But your obsession that flood over in constant bashing and frankly, uneducated opinion of other vehicles and people choice to want them is beyond tiring.

Itís truly mind blowing how you and another certain someone are so obsessed over a damn vehicle and manufacturer.
My point about the focus RS is that the hype the Corrolla is getting right now before its even out is similar to the hype the RS got before it was for sale. People on here were saying ford dealerships were going to be full.of traded in STI's and that never happened. The result was very underwhelming when it it was out after 2 years. BLOWN HEADGASKETS, power limiting ECU Mapping to preveent said crappy engine design popping then head. It didnt really live up to the hype up to the release. It e.t'd better than the STI's stock for stock on tracks like VIR but thats about it. The STI evolved to the RA and S209 ended up being faster than the RS on tracks as well.

All i can say and have ever said,about the merits of the STI is that it held its own from 2004--2021with very little competition in its awd turbo 4 sedan category because it just plain worked. And the ONLY thing that is forcing subaru to change that is the proliferation of manufacturers flagship performance cars going to electrification. Its not because a toyota corrolla with a 1.6 litre 3 cylinder is coming to market.
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So because Ford had a flop and was overhyped, Toyota is doomed to meet the same fate? It's worked for Subaru because it's had nearly 0 competitors and it's done extremely well do you it's heavy marketing (Ken block back in the day, pastrana, etc etc). Subaru has been so complacent with the STI and only bloating it's exterior. Big props to them for not not investing any significant dollars to push its performance higher :rollseyes:

People are excited about this car because it's something new, it checks several boxes, and the STI no longer appeals to them. Why is this such a hard thing for you to accept that you continually attempt to crap all over everything else without any knowledge except for "well the RS sucked, the GR has 1 less cylinder, blah blah blah."
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If you guys stop engaging him, he'll go away.

Anyway, the current WRX doesn't do it for me and I don't think the presence of a hatch would change that. I don't like the CVT or the cladding and I don't know where Subaru is going with this new brand philosophy of converting everything into a crossover.

I loved the original 2002 WRX because it was cheap, rowdy little rally car and I get those same vibes with this Corolla so it's a bit nostalgic. I'm also a big fan of Toyota as I already have a 4Runner, so this would fit in nicely in the stable.

I'm beyond doing heavy power modifications to cars so I really couldn't care any less about these stupid modification power arguments. If I wanted a straight line speed monster, I'd get another pony car, but that's obviously not what this Corolla was designed for. The most I'd likely do here are some mild suspension mods and tires/wheels.
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So because Ford had a flop and was overhyped, Toyota is doomed to meet the same fate? It's worked for Subaru because it's had nearly 0 competitors and it's done extremely well do you it's heavy marketing (Ken block back in the day, pastrana, etc etc). Subaru has been so complacent with the STI and only bloating it's exterior. Big props to them for not not investing any significant dollars to push its performance higher :rollseyes:

People are excited about this car because it's something new, it checks several boxes, and the STI no longer appeals to them. Why is this such a hard thing for you to accept that you continually attempt to crap all over everything else without any knowledge except for "well the RS sucked, the GR has 1 less cylinder, blah blah blah."
The RS was a better drivers car than the STi. STi never had torque vectoring half shafts nor drivetrain modes to allow a 30:70 split with overdriven rear half shafts. The STi never had a RS chassis either. I've owned both, RS was superior. Stock the RS made 50 more HP to the wheels than my STi. Same dyno, same shop, same time of year dynoing, virtually same temps. The RS was equivalent to my stage 2 STi from the factory. The RS was an outstanding car just not quite the one for me to keep permanently. THe GRC should take care of that.

The RS was also not a flop. The Mk3 was made in the same production numbers as the Mk1 or Mik2, actually more, because it came to the USDM. FoMoCo sold everyone of them they produced. Someone should go look at used prices on them right now
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Would the existence of a USDM WRX Sportwagon 6MT make you reconsider your GRC purchase?
No. The GRC has diffs, a better AWD system, weighs ~200lbs less than a WRX sportwagon would (based on Levorg weight), has more power, a higher redline, and will likely be more reliable (I say likely... but I mean, we're talking Toyota vs. Subaru here, so it's a "definitely more reliable" in my book).

If the GRC didn't exist, and Subaru released a WRX 6mt sportwagon for 2022 I probably still wouldn't buy it; my wife has a Highlander inbound so it's her turn to have the family vehicle... I like a wagon over a sedan no doubt, but my IS350 is a really nice place to be, and is RWD, and again, I don't need the extra cargo room anymore.

I will dump my IS350 for a GRC though, if I can get what I want that is (red circuit edition). I miss rowing my own, and I want a lighter vehicle.
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