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Old 04-12-2022, 09:32 PM   #526
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I feel like your name will confuse people, like you're almost 90 years too soon.

Thank you for cleaning up the riff raff. Wish they could've just stayed in the WRX or STI thread, but oh well. I got points that'll never expire, so I know the feels.

Anyway, is anyone else researching parts and mods, despite the strong possibility of not being able to buy one of these? I'm already looking at shift knobs and wheels. Also any shiny black surface within the interior is going to get protected. The gloss black in my Impreza makes the car look like it's from the early 2000's. No bueno.
Being serious, couldnít you just buy self adhesive vinyl overlay? They make some stupid good quality ones for counter tops in also sorts of colors, patterns, etc. They also remove fairly well without leaving residue
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Old 04-12-2022, 09:35 PM   #527
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Old 04-12-2022, 09:44 PM   #528
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Being serious, couldn't you just buy self adhesive vinyl overlay? They make some stupid good quality ones for counter tops in also sorts of colors, patterns, etc. They also remove fairly well without leaving residue
I technically have vinyl overlays scattered around my current Impreza. Subaru decided to add clashing carbon fiber vinyl overlays around the door handles, but left flat, boring plastic in lots of other spaces. So I've purchased various pieces that have tied everything together. However, the one area where it's tough or impossible to get overlays is anywhere there's glossy black plastic. From what I've seen, at least where the center console is concerned, manufacturers tend to etch within the plastic relevant letters and symbols used for controls.

Since the interior of the GR Corolla shown thus far has been pre-production, I haven't thought too much about replacing anything glaring just yet. Just thinking aloud about at least protecting whatever glossy surfaces might be finalized.

I do think about the glossy exterior grille piece of the GRC CE and how much of a pain that might be to paint protect with PPF.
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Old 04-13-2022, 12:37 AM   #529
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I do think about the glossy exterior grille piece of the GRC CE and how much of a pain that might be to paint protect with PPF.
The chances of any of us landing one is single % points.

The gloss black looks better than the grey plastic on the Core, thatís for sure.
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Old 04-13-2022, 09:33 AM   #530
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Watching the forums and Reddit posts about this car has been something else. I donít think people know how to negotiate or wait for the right deal anymore. People on 8 different waiting lists, people publicly saying they are willing to pay MSRP for any build they can get or willing to pay markup. We donít have to give the dealerships additional ammo that this is a desirable car. These people have no ****ing poker face whatsoever.

It is no wonder people want direct to consumer vehicle purchasing. The YOLO/FOMO crowd have loudly announced to the world that they will make really poor financial decisions to have a thing and have it first. The markups and scalping is a natural response when people make such dumb proclamations and following through with the dumb actions. Direct to consumer saves these idiots from themselves. SMH

According to our fleet vehicle group, my ordering should open up in July or Aug for the core model. They donít know about the CE. I wasnít able to order the Launch Editions of the Supra, for example. But Iím able to order TRD pro vehicles, Supra, IS 500, 86, etc, so I expect that Iíll be able to order a GR C as well. Just maybe not the CE. If Iím not able to order on my program, Iíll pick up a DD for a bit and get the GR C when things are reasonable.


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Old 04-13-2022, 09:49 AM   #531
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The chances of any of us landing one is single % points.
I'm second in line at a ringer of a dealer. 1st wanted the CE, great! That gets me what I'd want, likely this year. Well, 1st changed their preference to "whatever comes first." Glad I wasn't in a hurry!

Anyhow I'm stuck in a loop about it, goes something like this

I don't need it
but wrx is getting old
I'll just wait until it starts having issues
but what will the market be like THEN
ok, if I get an allocation I'll just take it
but I don't really need it
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Old 04-13-2022, 10:03 AM   #532
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Watching the forums and Reddit posts about this car has been something else. I donít think people know how to negotiate or wait for the right deal anymore. People on 8 different waiting lists, people publicly saying they are willing to pay MSRP for any build they can get or willing to pay markup. We donít have to give the dealerships additional ammo that this is a desirable car. These people have no ****ing poker face whatsoever.

It is no wonder people want direct to consumer vehicle purchasing. The YOLO/FOMO crowd have loudly announced to the world that they will make really poor financial decisions to have a thing and have it first. The markups and scalping is a natural response when people make such dumb proclamations and following through with the dumb actions. Direct to consumer saves these idiots from themselves. SMH

According to our fleet vehicle group, my ordering should open up in July or Aug for the core model. They donít know about the CE. I wasnít able to order the Launch Editions of the Supra, for example. But Iím able to order TRD pro vehicles, Supra, IS 500, 86, etc, so I expect that Iíll be able to order a GR C as well. Just maybe not the CE. If Iím not able to order on my program, Iíll pick up a DD for a bit and get the GR C when things are reasonable.


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This is the problem. These people have no ****ing poker face whatsoever.

They are ready to show the cards without even engaging in some play.
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Old 04-13-2022, 10:43 AM   #533
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This is the problem. These people have no ****ing poker face whatsoever.

They are ready to show the cards without even engaging in some play.
Not to defend stupidity, but have you seen the housing market / markets where there is a scarcity? If you haven't, it makes this look sane.

Granted, buying a NEW performance car isn't as much as a need as a place to live. However, this seems to be the current, new way of doing things.
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Having worked on a bunch of powerplants & driveline layouts over the years, I can confidently tell you that it's significantly easier to work on a a transverse Toyota Inline than a longitudinal Subaru flat-engine. I mean in general it's easier to work on a Toyota than a Subaru, they are better thought out from an assembly and servicing standpoint (jack points, ease of access to components etc.). Recall how much you have to remove to do a simply plug job in a Subaru... now imagine trying to get the valve cover off with the engine in the bay... yeah, nah, you're pulling it.
dude. gives me flashbacks to the time I had to change an engine wiring harness on a Ford Probe V6. that day I realized I didn't want to be an automotive technician for the rest of my life. it broke me.
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Watching the forums and Reddit posts about this car has been something else. I donít think people know how to negotiate or wait for the right deal anymore. People on 8 different waiting lists, people publicly saying they are willing to pay MSRP for any build they can get or willing to pay markup. We donít have to give the dealerships additional ammo that this is a desirable car. These people have no ****ing poker face whatsoever.

It is no wonder people want direct to consumer vehicle purchasing. The YOLO/FOMO crowd have loudly announced to the world that they will make really poor financial decisions to have a thing and have it first. The markups and scalping is a natural response when people make such dumb proclamations and following through with the dumb actions. Direct to consumer saves these idiots from themselves. SMH

According to our fleet vehicle group, my ordering should open up in July or Aug for the core model. They donít know about the CE. I wasnít able to order the Launch Editions of the Supra, for example. But Iím able to order TRD pro vehicles, Supra, IS 500, 86, etc, so I expect that Iíll be able to order a GR C as well. Just maybe not the CE. If Iím not able to order on my program, Iíll pick up a DD for a bit and get the GR C when things are reasonable.


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I've been telling people this the entire time and it goes in one ear and out the other because they don't want to believe it. They think because they want it this can't be true, ok


Circuit Edition is a pipe dream. Dealers are owned by corporate groups that own lots of dealers. One company might own 100 dealerships, that carry 5,6, or more manus. You think someone in their auto group, sales employee, manager, etc, WON'T grab the only Circuit that dealership gets? It's looking like each dealership will get one Circuit or Launch edition. Someone on some list thinks they are going to get it? Well
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Circuit Edition is a pipe dream. Dealers are owned by corporate groups that own lots of dealers. One company might own 100 dealerships, that carry 5,6, or more manus. You think someone in their auto group, sales employee, manager, etc, WON'T grab the only Circuit that dealership gets? It's looking like each dealership will get one Circuit or Launch edition. Someone on some list thinks they are going to get it? Well
I asked one of my hockey buds who works at a stealer what the deal was. He said they aren't taking deposits or making a customer list, but that he and his manager are both on some other list for Circuit Editions. Silver lining for me is I am a typical millenial stuck in an apartment trying to buy a house, so I don't have to worry about buying one of these for at least a few years.
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It is no wonder people want direct to consumer vehicle purchasing. The YOLO/FOMO crowd have loudly announced to the world that they will make really poor financial decisions to have a thing and have it first. The markups and scalping is a natural response when people make such dumb proclamations and following through with the dumb actions. Direct to consumer saves these idiots from themselves. SMH
Eh, my desire for direct to consumer sales is to make it so that I don't have to stoop the level of these idiots in order to get something. Just get in line, pay msrp, and move on with life. Instead, these people come in and buy their way to the front of the line. Sounds like politics... and rich (or stupid) people entitlement.
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Eh, my desire for direct to consumer sales is to make it so that I don't have to stoop the level of these idiots in order to get something. Just get in line, pay msrp, and move on with life. Instead, these people come in and buy their way to the front of the line. Sounds like politics... and rich (or stupid) people entitlement.

Then someone creates a bot that buys up the reservations and their places in line or the car itself ends up on eBay or some new middleman called something like WheelHub. Late stage capitalism always finds a way if the buyer ďhas to have itĒ.


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Then someone creates a bot that buys up the reservations and their places in line or the car itself ends up on eBay or some new middleman called something like WheelHub. Late stage capitalism always finds a way if the buyer "has to have it".


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So true. Sure pivot to some other sales model. The idiots will just figure that out too and punk. I went through this same exact situation with the RS. I had to just relent to getting it later. Idiots paying 5k, 10k adm, and more. The real idiots paid 20k over sticker. The only thing you can do at that point is let the "spethial" edition go. It's not worth the boxing. And the only way the intelligent consumer wins is patience/time. Fortunately in this situation I'm at the beginning of a line, I don't have to have the spethial thing even though I want it, and most importantly I can wait, an extra year, or two if need be.

I'm also secretly crossing my fingers that the new M2 will have Xdrive and 6MT options. Can an aging enthusiast grab one last AWD turbo monster 6MT to last them the rest of their lives? I want my Gran Torino and get off my got damn lawn!
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Then someone creates a bot that buys up the reservations and their places in line or the car itself ends up on eBay or some new middleman called something like WheelHub. Late stage capitalism always finds a way if the buyer ďhas to have itĒ.


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Isn't this pretty much done for concerts, sporting events, shows, etc. It's funny how the event host claims being "sold out" only to have all these tickets pop up on "official" ticket sites at a premium with all these tacked on fees.

Dealers are very powerful and have plenty of lobbyist, at least at the state level, to make direct to consumer difficult. Ask Tesla. The only upside to dealers is the potential to pay less than MSRP.
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This guy bought all of them and is giving them away.

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Then someone creates a bot that buys up the reservations and their places in line or the car itself ends up on eBay or some new middleman called something like WheelHub. Late stage capitalism always finds a way if the buyer ďhas to have itĒ.
that's fair. But by charging ADM, dealerships are doing the same thing with no way around it. At least with the other model some honest consumers will get a car without being fleeced.
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Isn't this pretty much done for concerts, sporting events, shows, etc. It's funny how the event host claims being "sold out" only to have all these tickets pop up on "official" ticket sites at a premium with all these tacked on fees.

Dealers are very powerful and have plenty of lobbyist, at least at the state level, to make direct to consumer difficult. Ask Tesla. The only upside to dealers is the potential to pay less than MSRP.

Yep. Dealers are generally no value added, but if you learn how the game works, you can work it to your advantage at times.

Concert tickets, PlayStations, Hot Wheels, Lego sets, limited edition clothing lines at Target, etc are all plagued by this resellerís market. I want a hot wheels version of my 4Runner, but Iím not paying $35 for a $5 list toy because the scalpers clean out all the stores. I like it, I want it, but Iím not contributing to the madness. The only way to stop it is to stop feeding the hype and stop paying the inflated prices on things we donít have to.


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I blame the internet for everything.

so really, this is all Al Gore's fault.
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So true. Sure pivot to some other sales model. The idiots will just figure that out too and punk. I went through this same exact situation with the RS. I had to just relent to getting it later. Idiots paying 5k, 10k adm, and more. The real idiots paid 20k over sticker. The only thing you can do at that point is let the "spethial" edition go. It's not worth the boxing. And the only way the intelligent consumer wins is patience/time. Fortunately in this situation I'm at the beginning of a line, I don't have to have the spethial thing even though I want it, and most importantly I can wait, an extra year, or two if need be.

I'm also secretly crossing my fingers that the new M2 will have Xdrive and 6MT options. Can an aging enthusiast grab one last AWD turbo monster 6MT to last them the rest of their lives? I want my Gran Torino and get off my got damn lawn!

I really think an awd M2 would completely ruin the car. I just donít see this happening and I personally donít think it should but weirder things have happened.
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Yep. Dealers are generally no value added, but if you learn how the game works, you can work it to your advantage at times.

Concert tickets, PlayStations, Hot Wheels, Lego sets, limited edition clothing lines at Target, etc are all plagued by this reseller's market. I want a hot wheels version of my 4Runner, but I'm not paying $35 for a $5 list toy because the scalpers clean out all the stores. I like it, I want it, but I'm not contributing to the madness. The only way to stop it is to stop feeding the hype and stop paying the inflated prices on things we don't have to.
The difference though is that with those other items you can still buy them without markup... the average consumer can log in and buy concert tickets. Sure, it's tough, but you can still do it. I've got tickets to 3 concerts this year, all bought at face value on the day they were released. I snatched up 4 different Lego sets about a month ago for my son directly from Lego's site for MSRP that are already selling for markup on Amazon.

When all dealers start marking up cars with ADM, the dealerships become the scalpers. We have a required middle man in the auto industry and it sucks.
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I really think an awd M2 would completely ruin the car. I just don't see this happening and I personally don't think it should but weirder things have happened.
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Yep. Dealers are generally no value added, but if you learn how the game works, you can work it to your advantage at times.

Concert tickets, PlayStations, Hot Wheels, Lego sets, limited edition clothing lines at Target, etc are all plagued by this reseller's market. I want a hot wheels version of my 4Runner, but I'm not paying $35 for a $5 list toy because the scalpers clean out all the stores. I like it, I want it, but I'm not contributing to the madness. The only way to stop it is to stop feeding the hype and stop paying the inflated prices on things we don't have to.


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Yep, I want that Hot Wheels too, but people suck and I'm not paying a markup for a toy car. I got out of collecting Hot Wheels in general for exactly that reason. The desirable cars are bought out by ******** as soon as they're stocked and then sold for resale on ebay or elsewhere. I just couldn't compete with the guys going to Wal Mart every morning at 6AM when they opened and cleaning out the pegs leaving nothing for anyone else.
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so really, this is all Al Gore's fault.
Seriously. My father had no trouble getting the exact SE-R he wanted when they fist came out. It was in the neighborhood of $11,000....
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Yep, I want that Hot Wheels too, but people suck and I'm not paying a markup for a toy car. I got out of collecting Hot Wheels in general for exactly that reason. The desirable cars are bought out by ******** as soon as they're stocked and then sold for resale on ebay or elsewhere. I just couldn't compete with the guys going to Wal Mart every morning at 6AM when they opened and cleaning out the pegs leaving nothing for anyone else.
Last few months, just seeing anything on the pegs was a holy cow moment for me. I found that blue taco mainline, pretty nice.
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