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Old 03-23-2017, 12:55 AM   #26
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Just looked at Killer B's dyno plot again, 75whp difference on 93 oct on a mustang dyno.

Stock turbo puts out probably just over ~40lbs/min. The 3067 will do ~49lbs/min. So ~9lbs/min difference makes sense for 75whp.
Totally read it wrong. 👍🏾
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Old 03-23-2017, 01:03 AM   #27
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Just looked at Killer B's dyno plot again, 75whp difference on 93 oct on a mustang dyno.

Stock turbo puts out probably just over ~40lbs/min. The 3067 will do ~49lbs/min. So ~9lbs/min difference makes sense for 75whp.
I Totally read it wrong. 👌🏽

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Old 03-23-2017, 07:34 AM   #28
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I guess I need to look for that plot. Since the stock turbo is good to 400/425 with the right tuner and build Im wondering is this 100hp over stock hitting 500hp then?
Not on pump gas? Someone please show me a car making anywhere near 400whp on the stock turbo and 93 gas.

To answer your question, yeah. With "the right tuner" and a GTX3076R you could probably make 500WHP on corn. Here's an EJ doing it: https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...45&postcount=1. There's people making well into the 400's on only 22 PSI and E85.

I don't get why you have such a hard-on for your tuner and so much hate for KBM. Those guys are about as legit as they come.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:38 AM   #29
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Not on pump gas? Someone please show me a car making anywhere near 400whp on the stock turbo and 93 gas.

To answer your question, yeah. With "the right tuner" and a GTX3076R you could probably make 500WHP on corn. Here's an EJ doing it: https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...45&postcount=1. There's people making well into the 400's on only 22 PSI and E85.

I don't get why you have such a hard-on for your tuner and so much hate for KBM. Those guys are about as legit as they come.
There are a few tuners that can tune the FA well. I totally was looking at wrong graph. 👌🏽 My bad.
And I don't have ANY hate for KB. I don't have hate for any place.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:49 AM   #30
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Sooo your looking into upgrading your turbo, but your car is currently stock performance wise... just curious have you been in or even driven a stage 2 stock turbo wrx. or better yet ones thats running corn or meth? im stage 2 now and gunna be adding a PRL FMIC and boomba bpv next weekend and getting retuned. i expect to be a little over 300whp. thats more than enough for a fun street car. also have you looked into mods that improve the driving and not just all about power. I.E. wheels and tires, better brakes, suspension, swaybars, bushings and mounts? all these other non power mods will greatly improve the driving of the car.
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Old 03-27-2017, 10:31 AM   #31
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Sooo your looking into upgrading your turbo, but your car is currently stock performance wise... just curious have you been in or even driven a stage 2 stock turbo wrx. or better yet ones thats running corn or meth? im stage 2 now and gunna be adding a PRL FMIC and boomba bpv next weekend and getting retuned. i expect to be a little over 300whp. thats more than enough for a fun street car. also have you looked into mods that improve the driving and not just all about power. I.E. wheels and tires, better brakes, suspension, swaybars, bushings and mounts? all these other non power mods will greatly improve the driving of the car.
stock sized enkei RPF1s are like 8 lbs lighter than the stock wheels and combined with a carbon fiber driveshaft (or a one piece alum/steel, with a smaller diameter than OE) would put more power to the ground. i have been tempted to get a CF driveshaft but my list has a bunch of other things on it first like a torsen diff and camber plates. i've given up on the bolt on turbo idea, eventually if i decide to get spendy i'll buy the moto east kit.
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Old 03-28-2017, 08:28 PM   #32
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Sooo your looking into upgrading your turbo, but your car is currently stock performance wise... just curious have you been in or even driven a stage 2 stock turbo wrx. or better yet ones thats running corn or meth? im stage 2 now and gunna be adding a PRL FMIC and boomba bpv next weekend and getting retuned. i expect to be a little over 300whp. thats more than enough for a fun street car. also have you looked into mods that improve the driving and not just all about power. I.E. wheels and tires, better brakes, suspension, swaybars, bushings and mounts? all these other non power mods will greatly improve the driving of the car.
Several good points. I live in Central Iowa and the only corners we have are called freeway transition ramps, so improving handling or braking is pretty much a waste. I spend 45 miles a day, five days a week on the interstate commuting to and from work, so I don't want a much louder exhaust. E85 is everywhere here, but I'm waiting for the technology to mature a little more, like maybe a ethanol rated high pressure fuel pump. 300 whp would likely be plenty as you point out, but even back in the early 1980s I had a decent sized Japanese motorcycle which would run 12 second quarter-mile times, so 35 years later I figure 350whp isn't too much to ask from a nice car. I appreciate all the advice and I'm learning a lot. Thanks all.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:36 AM   #33
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Even just e85 on totally stock cars are making about 300whp. Cobb just released their kit for it. worth looking into that. The problem with pushing these cars the 350 whp is that thats sorta the limit of stock block reliability for a daily driver. Id say maybe start with a turboback exhaust and a good tune and see how you like it. Then decide if you want more or your happy at that power level. a mean a simple stage 1 tune just feels 100x better than stock tune. and if you wanna keep the exhaust quiet id say maybe a catted/ and possibly resonate j-pipe. and either like a q300 or even the STI SPT catback with a resonator. that will help give a nice sound but zero to minimal drone on the highways.
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I don't remember, but I checked Garret's website and found they've got a GT2252 (similar to our stock turbo?) rated for 150hp to 260hp and then a GTX2860R Gen 2 rated for 200hp to 475hp. It seems that the GTX2860R would be better for a daily driver than a GTX3067 that Killer B uses. I wonder if the 2860 would fit Killer B's kit?
Any GTX 28/30/35 turbo with a TS turbine housing will fit our kit. We went with the GTX3067-R, which has been awesome because the car drives the same, except when you flog it.

Sadly the GTX3067-R has been discontinued, but the new GTX2867-R GEN II looks to have very similar output capabilities. The next step would be the GTX3071-R Gen II but you're going to want to be sure you have a built block for that.

Here is one of our before/after plots and one from a customer.



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Assuming out turbo inlet is our limiting factor at this point. Customer was running a GrimmSpeed unit and we are still 100% stock box/filter/intake. Should have our own intake being tested in the coming weeks, so we'll see if gain anything else.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:07 AM   #36
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Any GTX 28/30/35 turbo with a TS turbine housing will fit our kit. We went with the GTX3067-R, which has been awesome because the car drives the same, except when you flog it.

Sadly the GTX3067-R has been discontinued, but the new GTX2867-R GEN II looks to have very similar output capabilities. The next step would be the GTX3071-R Gen II but you're going to want to be sure you have a built block for that.

Here is one of our before/after plots and one from a customer.



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Assuming out turbo inlet is our limiting factor at this point. Customer was running a GrimmSpeed unit and we are still 100% stock box/filter/intake. Should have our own intake being tested in the coming weeks, so we'll see if gain anything else.
This is all on 93 right?

Would love to see what this would do with some E50
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Assuming out turbo inlet is our limiting factor at this point. Customer was running a GrimmSpeed unit and we are still 100% stock box/filter/intake. Should have our own intake being tested in the coming weeks, so we'll see if gain anything else.
Will yours be the first design to eliminate that crappy plastic inlet that comes stock?
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Will yours be the first design to eliminate that crappy plastic inlet that comes stock?
both the moto-east and ETS kit have custom turbo inlets which eliminate the plastic thing. this is basically a requirement for a bigger turbo. only the steamspeed turbo keeps it. its basically a restrictor.
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This is all on 93 right?

Would love to see what this would do with some E50
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Will yours be the first design to eliminate that crappy plastic inlet that comes stock?
What's wrong with the plastic inlet? Looking at it, the size is correct and it's matched perfectly to the inlet. Anything larger would create a flow disturbance and reduce flow capacity.

As far as stock inlet being a restriction on a stock turbo car, I don't see how that could be possible, but maybe I am missing something here?

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both the moto-east and ETS kit have custom turbo inlets which eliminate the plastic thing. this is basically a requirement for a bigger turbo. only the steamspeed turbo keeps it. its basically a restrictor.
I think they are talking about different plastic 'things'. Anytime an aftermarket, non-OEM housing turbo is used, there must be a different inlet.
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Yes, all on 93.



What's wrong with the plastic inlet? Looking at it, the size is correct and it's matched perfectly to the inlet. Anything larger would create a flow disturbance and reduce flow capacity.

As far as stock inlet being a restriction on a stock turbo car, I don't see how that could be possible, but maybe I am missing something here?

I think they are talking about different plastic 'things'. Anytime an aftermarket, non-OEM housing turbo is used, there must be a different inlet.
Oh, you're talking about the machined inlet on the GTX turbo.

Have you ever looked at the inside of the plastic inlet? It's got a bunch of weird geometry built into it that can't help flow very much. I'm not sure it's all that bad, but it certainly looks ****ty, especially if you're talking in comparison to a smooth tube.
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Yes the hard plastic inlet.

It tapers from ~2.55 to ~1.89 to match the compressor inlet. There are ports and a recess on the side, but nothing I'd say is preventing it from making power. The compressor inlet then goes from ~1.89 tapering down to ~1.85 just before the wheel.
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Any GTX 28/30/35 turbo with a TS turbine housing will fit our kit. We went with the GTX3067-R, which has been awesome because the car drives the same, except when you flog it.

Sadly the GTX3067-R has been discontinued, but the new GTX2867-R GEN II looks to have very similar output capabilities. The next step would be the GTX3071-R Gen II but you're going to want to be sure you have a built block for that.

Here is one of our before/after plots and one from a customer.



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Customer's after plot



Assuming out turbo inlet is our limiting factor at this point. Customer was running a GrimmSpeed unit and we are still 100% stock box/filter/intake. Should have our own intake being tested in the coming weeks, so we'll see if gain anything else.
Thanks Killer B, for this, "Any GTX 28/30/35 turbo with a TS turbine housing will fit our kit." That's one of the things that was keeping me awake planning the eventual build. I'm still a noob, but even I know that your reputation is top notch. I appreciate the hard work and I'm saving my money.
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Old 06-27-2018, 12:51 PM   #43
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I'm running a stock turbo. Funny, doesn't really look like WHP falls off on my car. Bolt-ons are a catless TBE, TGV/EGR Deletes, EBCS. Target boost is 20.5 PSI.



A bigger turbo is certainly a viable option...however, the stock turbo is fully capable of supporting a respectable gains with power that holds steady all the way until redline. It's all in the tune...the trick is finding a tuner who knows how to do it. But if you're set on a bigger turbo, you should probably find a good one regardless. Or have fun when those rods bend.
was this graph with 91 or 93oct?
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I have a 2018 wrx that has the following mods:
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-GreenSpeed EBC
-Omni Power 4 Bar MAP sensor (soon to be installed)

Right now I'm tuned for 24 PSI, after the MAP sensor I should get about 28 or so I was told by my tuner.

But I feel that the car is pushing not enought power for what it was installed.

What should he a good estimate for you guys with this set up?
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I have a 2018 wrx that has the following mods:
- Stage 2 IAG short block w/ stock heads
-FP blue turbo /coated and ported
-flexfuel kit running as high as E70
-TGV/EGR deletes
-GFB blow off with recirculating kit
-ETS Front mount
-Cobb intake
-3" exhaust all the way to the axle back which are SPT STI.
-GreenSpeed EBC
-Omni Power 4 Bar MAP sensor (soon to be installed)

Right now I'm tuned for 24 PSI, after the MAP sensor I should get about 28 or so I was told by my tuner.

But I feel that the car is pushing not enought power for what it was installed.

What should he a good estimate for you guys with this set up?
Considering i saw a post a while back for flex fuel and socal v3 turbo pushing around 480... I'd say the fp blue should be about the same.
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I have a 2018 wrx that has the following mods:
- Stage 2 IAG short block w/ stock heads
-FP blue turbo /coated and ported
-flexfuel kit running as high as E70
-TGV/EGR deletes
-GFB blow off with recirculating kit
-ETS Front mount
-Cobb intake
-3" exhaust all the way to the axle back which are SPT STI.
-GreenSpeed EBC
-Omni Power 4 Bar MAP sensor (soon to be installed)

Right now I'm tuned for 24 PSI, after the MAP sensor I should get about 28 or so I was told by my tuner.

But I feel that the car is pushing not enough power for what it was installed.

What should he a good estimate for you guys with this set up?
It'll really depend on the dyno and your tuner.

The FA20 FP Blue is rated at a flow rate of 57 lb/min. You can use some simple math to get a rough estimate of the power potential. This assumes ~20% drivetrain loss.

57 lb/min * 10 = 570 chp * 0.8 = 456 whp

Obviously your mods, tuner, and dyno can skew the results in either direction. The SPT STI mufflers may become a bit of a restriction at this power level. But I definitely understand wanting to keep things on the quieter side.

If you're not happy with the power, I'd recommend the following:
  • Find a generous dyno (cheapest option)
  • Consult with another tuner. There are a lot of great tuners for the FA20 even with e-tunes (Ron/Phatbotti, STIMikey, JRtuned, BrenTuning, etc.)
  • IBR BRZ manifold kit w/ full TGV deletes (Should improve the top-end & complement the gains from the FP Blue)
  • Killer B Header w/ EWG (loud & expensive - not much bang for the buck here)
Keep in mind that with a bit more power you'll start to push the limits of the stock fuel system & MAF sensor.

Good luck on your build. Keep us updated.
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It'll really depend on the dyno and your tuner.

The FA20 FP Blue is rated at a flow rate of 57 lb/min. You can use some simple math to get a rough estimate of the power potential. This assumes ~20% drivetrain loss.

57 lb/min * 10 = 570 chp * 0.8 = 456 whp

Obviously your mods, tuner, and dyno can skew the results in either direction. The SPT STI mufflers may become a bit of a restriction at this power level. But I definitely understand wanting to keep things on the quieter side.

If you're not happy with the power, I'd recommend the following:
  • Find a generous dyno (cheapest option)
  • Consult with another tuner. There are a lot of great tuners for the FA20 even with e-tunes (Ron/Phatbotti, STIMikey, JRtuned, BrenTuning, etc.)
  • IBR BRZ manifold kit w/ full TGV deletes (Should improve the top-end & complement the gains from the FP Blue)
  • Killer B Header w/ EWG (loud & expensive - not much bang for the buck here)
Keep in mind that with a bit more power you'll start to push the limits of the stock fuel system & MAF sensor.

Good luck on your build. Keep us updated.
Yeah that's where I thought I would be but now I'm at 390whp and 369wtq and with the previous engine and stock turbo with up to E60 I did 368whp 331wtq at 21psi. So I think after spending hella money for about 30whp and tq there should be something worng there. Also I've seen that the cars tune is off because when rolling at WOT from 10 miles when its hitting 3rd gear at around 60miles it hits a limiter and starts misfiring at around 5k rpms. Then I let go and go on throttle again and it goes normal until i shift to 4th at around 5k rpm again and it happens again.
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Yeah that's where I thought I would be but now I'm at 390whp and 369wtq and with the previous engine and stock turbo with up to E60 I did 368whp 331wtq at 21psi. So I think after spending hella money for about 30whp and tq there should be something worng there. Also I've seen that the cars tune is off because when rolling at WOT from 10 miles when its hitting 3rd gear at around 60miles it hits a limiter and starts misfiring at around 5k rpms. Then I let go and go on throttle again and it continues until u shift to 4th at around 5k rpm again and it happens again.
I was tuned with mikey before, but I was told that he likes go brag a lot and put the car to its limits, so after blowing my stock I decided to tune with someone more conservative, which is the shop that put the new engine and turbo back in the car
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I was tuned with mikey before, but I was told that he likes go brag a lot and put the car to its limits, so after blowing my stock I decided to tune with someone more conservative, which is the shop that put the new engine and turbo back in the car
Curious who your new tuner is? I'm Mikey tuned with an FP Blue on stock block making 425/355 on 22psi and Flex and car has been problem free for over 12k miles.
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Yeah that's where I thought I would be but now I'm at 390whp and 369wtq and with the previous engine and stock turbo with up to E60 I did 368whp 331wtq at 21psi. So I think after spending hella money for about 30whp and tq there should be something worng there. Also I've seen that the cars tune is off because when rolling at WOT from 10 miles when its hitting 3rd gear at around 60miles it hits a limiter and starts misfiring at around 5k rpms. Then I let go and go on throttle again and it goes normal until i shift to 4th at around 5k rpm again and it happens again.
It definitely sounds like you have a sub-par tune and/or something is wrong with the car. Definitely follow-up with the tuner. Data log when it happens and send it to the tuner. They should be able to fix the tune or at least point you in the direction of what may be wrong with your build.

If you aren't happy with your tune, send the data log to another tuner and have them review it. I'm sure they'll be willing to take a look at it, have you fix any problems (if needed) and then take your money to make the tune better

I know there's a lot of "fan boy" favorites on these forums when it comes to tuners, but I only have great things to say about my experience with Ron's e-tuning.
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