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Old 10-06-2017, 12:53 PM   #926
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I really like to know if anyone had experience doing start ups of this HU in a vehicle at <32F or <0C temperatures. According to Ford F150 boards, repeated start ups from subfreezing temperatures (not uncommon for Northeast, Midwest, Mountain regions or Canada) seems to cause problems with this unit.

Anyone ran this HU over the winter, ie. cold start ups from subfreezing temperatures?

To be fair, that seemed like just one guy's unit.
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Old 10-07-2017, 07:51 AM   #927
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Comparing this 7.1 vs 4.4 android one is tough. A lot of value with it coming at 200 dollars back in the day. You just can't really buy them anymore though.

However, the build quality isn't as good this one. Has a way better heatsink design, better screen, micro sd card, and other stuff like RGB lighting.


If you can find a cheaper one i say go for it can't beat it for around $200.

if you want the latest, better build quality, and more features, go for the 7.1.

Both have been super reliable so far.

Also the 7.1 was 100 percent plug and play for my harman kardon system 2015 wrx.
Are you able to split screen most apps i think that was was the one of the main purposes of android N?
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:30 AM   #928
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I really question their customer support as well as long term product quality/longevity after reading reviews of Seicane which can be found here (scroll down the page)

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Seicane
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:12 PM   #929
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Quick question, I have the GCS Headunit 1gb RAM model from Subispeed and I've noticed how much it freezes up trying to do a simple task. If I try launching google maps it takes like 5 minutes to do so. I can open up a music app but if I try opening anything else then good luck. Is this common? I see videos of others with the same headunit specs and theirs runs quick with no issues. I've tried a factory reset and still nothing.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:57 PM   #930
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Hey guys,

The built in music player is crashing on me. Any ideas on how to fix it?
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Old 10-10-2017, 05:15 PM   #931
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Quick question, I have the GCS Headunit 1gb RAM model from Subispeed and I've noticed how much it freezes up trying to do a simple task. If I try launching google maps it takes like 5 minutes to do so. I can open up a music app but if I try opening anything else then good luck. Is this common? I see videos of others with the same headunit specs and theirs runs quick with no issues. I've tried a factory reset and still nothing.
How new is the unit?

IDK how far this differs from a regular tablet but perhaps there's away to clear the cache.
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Old 10-14-2017, 01:26 AM   #932
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How new is the unit?

IDK how far this differs from a regular tablet but perhaps there's away to clear the cache.
i bought the unit 3 months ago.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:00 AM   #933
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Is anybody else really confused about the different "versions" of this android head unit? I'm going to try to lay this out and see if someone can help bring some clarity to this.

Here is the new Subispeed head unit:
http://www.subispeed.com/gcs-apex-an...r#.WdUPM2iPJaQ

Here are 2 similar/identical units from Seicane:
https://www.seicane.com/inch-android...-obdii-s301179

https://www.seicane.com/2014-2015-20...-obdii-s169208

Here are 4 "different" units from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Android-Navig...droid+unit+wrx

https://www.amazon.com/JCOLI-Android...droid+unit+wrx

https://www.amazon.com/NaviTopia-And...droid+unit+wrx

https://www.amazon.com/NaviTopia-And...droid+unit+wrx

Here is a video on youtube of someone reviewing the "new" version of the unit with Android 7.1.2:
ANDROID Headunit: THEY MADE IT EVEN BETTER? (2017) - YouTube

Here's the thing, the Subispeed unit comes with an 8 core CPU, but only runs Android 6.0. The Seicane units both seem to have the same CPU, one with 1GB RAM and one with 2GB RAM and the 2GB RAM runs Android 7.1.1. The guy in the video links the Seicane 7.1.1, but then claims there is a newer one on Amazon which is 6.0 and looks completely different. Can someone check out these links and read the pages and tell me what their deductions are? Subispeed is telling me it's a 6+ week back order lead time for a unit that doesn't seem to be the latest and greatest running 6.0. If I am going to spend the money, obviously, I want the latest and greatest, but I can't seem to make sense of this.

Thanks for the help guys.
To begin with, the names you see here are all resellers for these head units. NaviTopia, Seicane, JCOLI, Subispeed etc.

There are only a handful of manufacturers that make these head units and the only way to know who made that particular unit is by going to the "About Tablet" section once you boot up the device. To check who manufactured that particular unit, you can go to settings->about tablet->MCU Version->"MTCD_XXX_YYY" where XXX is the identifier of the manufacturer and YYY is the motherboard firmware version by that manufacturer.

There are about 4 different types of units floating around.
1) Quad Core - A9 chipset (PX3, CPU: RX3188) - 1 GB RAM - 16 GB Flash - upto 32 GB external
2) Quad Core - A9 chipset (PX3, CPU: RX3188) - 2 GB RAM - 16 GB Flash - upto 32 GB external
3) Octa Core - A57 chipset (PX5, CPU: RX3368) - 2 GB RAM - 32 GB Flash -
upto 64 GB external

The fourth one has an Intel chip, but its kind of an older model at this point and only made by Joying (JY for short) AFAIK. Not even available for WRX's so lets ignore that.

* Now out of these three, the first one is definitely the worst out of the lot as it only has 1 GB RAM. It will be lagging a lot if you try to run Torque, Spotify and Maps at the same time. These are mostly the Android 5.1 units you will see out there.
The following ones are really old units and the 1GB ram should definitely be a deal breaker for you.

*The second ones are a little better than the first ones, but its basically the same older chipset with additional RAM. ARM A9 chipset (RX3188) is essentially .7 times as fast as the ARM A57 chipset IIRC. Also, with this category you get only 4 cores.
I'm not saying the slower CPU will most definitely cause a bottleneck because in the video you linked, the device seemed pretty snappy. But the fact remains that this is an older chipset which is slower than the A57

*The third ones are definitely the better ones out of the lot based on the hardware specs alone, thats the subispeed unit.

About the android versions, the A9 Quad cores have android 7.1.1 because their manufacturer released a ROM for android 7.1.1. From what I heard on XDA forums, either android 7 or android 8 should be coming to the A57 units end of this year and it will be an over the air update so you could just tether your phone and update it (I don't remember who the source of this comment was though)

Here's a video of someone comparing the A9 and A57 units. (Note.
the A9 unit he reviewed is still on android 5.1 I think)

I wasn't willing to waste money buying exactly the same unit from subispeed at a markup with a delivery date 6 weeks from now, so I literally just pulled the trigger on an Octa core A57 unit from aliexpress.

Here's the link https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-in...783294334.html, the seller has decent reviews. Is a top seller on aliexpress.

Its $400 plus no affiliate links

Hope this helps

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Old 10-16-2017, 09:52 PM   #934
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Are you able to split screen most apps i think that was was the one of the main purposes of android N?
i'm gonna have to test that, from what i saw it didnt look like it
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Old 10-16-2017, 09:58 PM   #935
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the 8-core A57 chip is said to be a bit faster cpu wise but the problem i saw is compatibility with apps. If you dive deep, the 8 core has quite a bit of apps that aren't compatible with the cpu.

The video above shows the 1.2 ghz 8-core 2 GB, is about the same as the 1.6 ghz 4-core 1 GB which isn't promising.

Both have pros and cons, wish it was more clear cut.

I'll try to get my hands on the A57.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:42 AM   #936
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So I got the head unit and installed it last night with my JBL Club 704 amp and Kicker component speakers. The sound processor was atrocious on the Android headunit. I ran to Bestbuy and bought a headunit, Pioneer I think, and hooked up the RCAs and without adjusting any levels, the sound was perfect!

Has anyone else bought this Android headunit and had any sound quality issues? Regardless of being amped or preamped, there was a very distinct crackling in the speakers that made it sound like my speakers were broken, when in fact it was likely to be the high bandpass filter.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:01 PM   #937
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Hey guys, first post here at NAISOC, and recently a new WRX Owner. Leased a 2018 WRX Base, plan to eventually buy it outright. I know there has been a few differences in installation of the Seicane HU, I was wondering if anyone with a '18 WRX Base has replaced the HU, or if anyone knows what it takes? As far as getting to the HU itself, is it simply taking apart the dash, or do we have to work on the glove compartment to get it out? Also, curious as to what all is needed to retain back up cam, radio, steering wheel controls, and potentially Sirius. I have been trolling around, and have seen a few people with an 18 Premium, but there wasn't much info regarding the actual installation, so if anyone has any information, that would be awesome!
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Old 11-11-2017, 12:22 AM   #938
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I just installed the Seicane head unit in my 2015 WRX. Keep in mind I'm not familiar with Andriod head units and was referred to this thread. So far so good! Some good, some bad. Everything was plug and play. SWC work and so does AM/FM. I will be doing an honest review in a couple of weeks.

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Old 11-11-2017, 10:16 AM   #939
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I just installed the Seicane head unit in my 2015 WRX. Keep in mind I'm not familiar with Andriod head units and was referred to this thread. So far so good! Some good, some bad. Everything was plug and play. SWC work and so does AM/FM. I will be doing an honest review in a couple of weeks.

https://youtu.be/1YqYh92sDK8
What about sound quality? When I installed mine, it looked great and all, but the sound quality was ****. They are refusing to give me a refund and are insisting on sending me a filter to fix it.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:03 PM   #940
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This has been a recurring problem for more than a year: Many of these Chinese head units (including Seicane's, the ones from Subispeed, and many others) include harnesses that they claim will be "plug-and-play" in a Subaru. But they get several things wrong. See this picture:

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Problems:
  1. The gray AM/FM antenna adapter is for Nissans. No Subaru models use that! It will not fit a Subaru. See the inset images in this picture:

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    Most Subaru models that use the 20-pin style power/speaker harness already have a factory antenna adapter with a Motorola plug that will fit directly into the back of the new HU.
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  2. The harness has one of the SWC wires (the HU's "KEY2") pinned to Subaru pin #11. It should be at pin #13. More recently, some vendors have been providing their harness with wires at both slots. But if the vendor is simply connecting their KEY2 lead to both of those pins together, that can still cause problems, since recent Subaru models have a different signal at pin #11. The KEY2 lead should only go to pin #13 on the Subaru models for which these HUs are intended (certain Impreza, Crosstrek, WRX, STi, and Forester models).
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  3. The harness connects the HU's power antenna lead to the antenna adapter. On all of the Subaru models for which these HUs are intended, that signal must go to pin #9 on the 20-pin connector. Otherwise, your FM radio reception will be degraded.
    Also, the HU must supply no less than 12.0V to pin #9. If the voltage is lower, the car's RF antenna booster amplifier will not perform properly, and reception will be degraded.
@Jairen: Does the harness you received from Seicane have any of those issues?

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Old 11-15-2017, 02:45 AM   #941
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This has been a recurring problem for more than a year: Many of these Chinese head units (including Seicane's, the ones from Subispeed, and many others) include harnesses that they claim will be "plug-and-play" in a Subaru. But they get several things wrong. See this picture:

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@Jairen: Does the harness you received from Seicane have any of those issues?
Yes the gray plug does not fit. The only thing that fits is the white 20 pin. SWC controls works. I plugged in the OEM antenna plug into the Seicane HU and I get FM/AM radio signals.
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Yes the gray plug does not fit. The only thing that fits is the white 20 pin. SWC controls works. I plugged in the OEM antenna plug into the Seicane HU and I get FM/AM radio signals.
If their 20-pin connector does not have a wire that supplies +12V to pin #9 on the car's radio harness, you will not be getting radio reception as good as possible. See my Subaru 20-pin pin-out guide to identify the location for pin #9.

If you order something else from me, I can probably throw in a blue wire with the proper terminal to fit the empty slot on their 20-pin connector. I would need to see a clear close-up pic of the front (pins side) of their connector to make sure I have the proper terminal (since there are at least 5 different manufacturers who make those Subaru/Nissan connectors, each of which requiring different terminals).
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Old 11-27-2017, 12:34 PM   #943
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the 8-core A57 chip is said to be a bit faster cpu wise but the problem i saw is compatibility with apps. If you dive deep, the 8 core has quite a bit of apps that aren't compatible with the cpu.

The video above shows the 1.2 ghz 8-core 2 GB, is about the same as the 1.6 ghz 4-core 1 GB which isn't promising.

Both have pros and cons, wish it was more clear cut.

I'll try to get my hands on the A57.
Where did you get the info about the apps not being compatible? Was this just first hand use? Im looking to pull the trigger on this for my 2015 wrx base non nav. With the advent of incompatible apps I'm leaning more towards the px3 2 gigs with 7.11 instead of the px5 2 gigs and 6.00. Any thoughts?
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Old 12-01-2017, 02:20 AM   #944
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Hello everyone,
I have a 2018 WRX w/ Harman Kardon and Nav (28 pin). Trying to install the android head unit but I have 3 questions and I should be done!

1. Where do I connect the Amp-con (blue) wire coming from the android harness?
2. Where on the stock harness is the power wire for the power antenna? What do I connect to that?
3. Where is the remote turn on wire on the stock harness to tell the HK amp to turn on?

Any help is appreciated!
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Hello everyone,
I have a 2018 WRX w/ Harman Kardon and Nav (28 pin). Trying to install the android head unit but I have 3 questions and I should be done!

1. Where do I connect the Amp-con (blue) wire coming from the android harness?
2. Where on the stock harness is the power wire for the power antenna? What do I connect to that?
3. Where is the remote turn on wire on the stock harness to tell the HK amp to turn on?

Any help is appreciated!
It won't work that way with the newer (2016-up) harman/kardon amplifier system. See my post here (#9 in that thread).

Also see my other posts and the discussion following that one. My post #16 lists harnesses you can use to connect at your h/k amp.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:09 PM   #946
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It won't work that way with the newer (2016-up) harman/kardon amplifier system. See my post here (#9 in that thread).

Also see my other posts and the discussion following that one. My post #16 lists harnesses you can use to connect at your h/k amp.
Thanks for the reply. Your timing was funny. I took it to my buddy yesterday morning and after looking and probing for a while, he pretty much told me what you said. Finally got it installed using aftermarket amps.

Thanks again.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:31 AM   #947
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So I know how appealing this unit may be, but if you are an audiophile like me, it is not worth getting this. I installed the unit with upgraded speakers and an amp and the sound quality was total ****. It was crackling and distorted and no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to work properly. For a point of comparison to ensure it was my speakers, I ran to Bestbuy and bought a generic Pioneer and hooked it up and everything worked perfectly.

Here's the worst part. For the past 2 months I have been in consistent contact with Seicane trying desperately to get a refund. Never once did they want to give me a refund. They insisted on sending me some **** heap filter which, surprise surprise, didn't work. I am only just now getting them to send me a refund, of which I still need to pay the ridiculous return shipping.

I am an electrical engineer, so I like to think I am fairly well versed in the installation of head units and stereos, etc, but these Chinamen are beyond stupid. They sent me a 2 channel filter, claiming it'll fix everything, when I need at least 4 channels. I discussed it with them and they assured me that somehow it would work. It's impossible.

Please do yourselves a favor and just forget about this damn thing. It's distracting enough as it is to have an entire Android tablet as your headunit. This is something that isn't mean to be a mini computer, it's just meant to play music/audio. I could have saved myself $500 and the world's most massive headache by just finding the premium head unit off of a junked version of your car. I found the 7" premium model for my 2017 WRX for $100 and it works perfectly. If you are dead set on getting this unit, though, at least try to go through Subispeed. Although, I hear their CS is pretty terrible, too.

Good luck out there guys. My lesson learned is that I am never buying Chinese crap ever again.
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So I know how appealing this unit may be, but if you are an audiophile like me, it is not worth getting this. I installed the unit with upgraded speakers and an amp and the sound quality was total ****. It was crackling and distorted and no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to work properly. For a point of comparison to ensure it was my speakers, I ran to Bestbuy and bought a generic Pioneer and hooked it up and everything worked perfectly.

Here's the worst part. For the past 2 months I have been in consistent contact with Seicane trying desperately to get a refund. Never once did they want to give me a refund. They insisted on sending me some **** heap filter which, surprise surprise, didn't work. I am only just now getting them to send me a refund, of which I still need to pay the ridiculous return shipping.

I am an electrical engineer, so I like to think I am fairly well versed in the installation of head units and stereos, etc, but these Chinamen are beyond stupid. They sent me a 2 channel filter, claiming it'll fix everything, when I need at least 4 channels. I discussed it with them and they assured me that somehow it would work. It's impossible.

Please do yourselves a favor and just forget about this damn thing. It's distracting enough as it is to have an entire Android tablet as your headunit. This is something that isn't mean to be a mini computer, it's just meant to play music/audio. I could have saved myself $500 and the world's most massive headache by just finding the premium head unit off of a junked version of your car. I found the 7" premium model for my 2017 WRX for $100 and it works perfectly. If you are dead set on getting this unit, though, at least try to go through Subispeed. Although, I hear their CS is pretty terrible, too.

Good luck out there guys. My lesson learned is that I am never buying Chinese crap ever again.
Hey thwrightstuff, thanks for the rant. I think the points you made I am finding out. I did tons of searching before buying and either I didn't search hard enough or no one that hates these are posting that they do because I only saw reviews of people praising them (and I'm not an audiophile like you are).
Question: So it sounds like you are coming from a base radio, non-HK, right? If so, did you try just replacing the head unit and leaving everything else stock (no amps, no upgraded speakers, etc)? If you did, would you say it sounded better, the same, or worse than the stock unit?
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:17 PM   #949
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Hey thwrightstuff, thanks for the rant. I think the points you made I am finding out. I did tons of searching before buying and either I didn't search hard enough or no one that hates these are posting that they do because I only saw reviews of people praising them (and I'm not an audiophile like you are).
Question: So it sounds like you are coming from a base radio, non-HK, right? If so, did you try just replacing the head unit and leaving everything else stock (no amps, no upgraded speakers, etc)? If you did, would you say it sounded better, the same, or worse than the stock unit?
So I did extensive research on both the Chink unit and the Premium radio (7" Fujitsen) for the Forester/Impreza/WRX and, like you said, no one that purchased the chink unit and reviewed it was an audiophile, just a tech nerd. And the information I got for the Premium radio unanimously said it improved the sound quality on the stock setup, but not drastically. This includes the HK and non-HK setups. Doing the swap for an HK system, though, is significantly more difficult than a non-HK system. My 2017 WRX came with the base 6.2" Clarion crapunit with non-HK/non-NAV. There is a great thread here detailing that process. Seeing as I tried the chink unit first, I took the time to immediately upgrade all of my speakers, so I did not experiment with the stock sound system and premium radio. However, being an audiophile, I can tell you that while the audio may be improved, it will likely still sound like ****. The function of sound quality with the stock speakers is much less a function of the headunit as it is a function of the quality of speakers you are using. If you aren't an audiophile, but still appreciate even moderate quality speakers, for about $100 you can buy some decent Kenwood speakers that will sound excellent with the premium head unit. I recommend talking to an agent at CF and they will find you the perfect speakers for dirt cheap.
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So I did extensive research on both the Chink unit and the Premium radio (7" Fujitsen) for the Forester/Impreza/WRX and, like you said, no one that purchased the chink unit and reviewed it was an audiophile, just a tech nerd. And the information I got for the Premium radio unanimously said it improved the sound quality on the stock setup, but not drastically. This includes the HK and non-HK setups. Doing the swap for an HK system, though, is significantly more difficult than a non-HK system. My 2017 WRX came with the base 6.2" Clarion crapunit with non-HK/non-NAV. There is a great thread here detailing that process. Seeing as I tried the chink unit first, I took the time to immediately upgrade all of my speakers, so I did not experiment with the stock sound system and premium radio. However, being an audiophile, I can tell you that while the audio may be improved, it will likely still sound like ****. The function of sound quality with the stock speakers is much less a function of the headunit as it is a function of the quality of speakers you are using. If you aren't an audiophile, but still appreciate even moderate quality speakers, for about $100 you can buy some decent Kenwood speakers that will sound excellent with the premium head unit. I recommend talking to an agent at CF and they will find you the perfect speakers for dirt cheap.
whoa whoa whoa, seriously need to degrade a whole population just cause a few of them came out with a subpar product? I appreciate your honest and thorough review but seriously loose the tone. -thumbs down-
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