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Old 09-14-2021, 07:20 PM   #1801
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WTH? so they're downgrading from 6pot to 4pot brakes ??
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:22 PM   #1802
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now that is beautiful to see. it looks way better. but is that what we will see. fully color matched panels
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:33 PM   #1803
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Has someone sent this to Subaru? Because that looks 100x better and only seems to involve a little bit of paint...

If the engine isn't terribly neutered, the STI could come into play for me... maybe. that interior tablet is still pretty terrible. Not sure I'd want to pay the 40k base price for one when the Golf R exists... although not thrilled with the infotainment hiccups there either.
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Old 09-14-2021, 09:10 PM   #1804
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I bet after a month it's out Subispeed will have paint matched fender flares to clip into place, prob the same with the f'n god awful diffuser.
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Old 09-14-2021, 09:35 PM   #1805
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maybe bushwhacker will come out with a line of upgraded wrx fender flares. probably even offer fake chrome bolt heads as an accessory.
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:22 PM   #1806
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oh for crying out loud, just wrap them to match....good lord, obviously people don't think its a deal breaker or they wouldn't be already discussing how to mod the trim apparently AFTER they have bought the car
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:26 PM   #1807
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oh for crying out loud, just wrap them to match....good lord, obviously people don't think its a deal breaker or they wouldn't be already discussing how to mod the trim apparently AFTER they have bought the car
Are you even a human being? How can you never fault Subaru for making mistakes. Its like a disease almost you canít seem to fix. The last gen sti didnít win one comparison test. NOT ONE. Let that sink in. Everybody is tired of ur ridiculous statements itís like your a robot -
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:27 PM   #1808
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oh for crying out loud, just wrap them to match....good lord, obviously people don't think its a deal breaker or they wouldn't be already discussing how to mod the trim apparently AFTER they have bought the car
Nobody should have to wrap a car after they spent 30-45K on it because itís that ugly.
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:30 PM   #1809
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What more advanced system? The STI already comes with the most advanced system on the market. What other sedan has 3 mechanical differentials and allows the driver to control torque distribution to the point of grenading the differential?

The WRX VC system works wonderfully as a center differential. Would a TorSen rear differential be nice? Yes. Would a torque vectoring rear differential be better? Probably. Does any car besides the STI out perform the WRX in snow? I'd like to see that.
Focus RS awd system was much more advanced, it had the capability to spin the rear wheels faster than the front if needed for example. The STi awd system still to this day hasnít caught up to the S-AWC system with Yaw control on the evo X. That was released 15 years ago.

The AWD system in the STI is actually quite old fashioned - as is the rest of the car - but I loved that about my 2016.
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:33 PM   #1810
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no reason to fix any ICE car. Governments are mandating EV now so why put any money into a car that will be regulated into obscurity.
This is fake news - if you believe this then keep drinking that Government Kool-Aid. They say things to scare people into believing it - and unfortunately it works on most
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:40 PM   #1811
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what happened to derphawks prediction of a dct and hybrid powertrain?
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:59 PM   #1812
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Haha.. Please donít ever speak on the RSís awd system being better than the proper center diffíd system we have.
Ok, itís better than haldex, but still inferior.

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The AWD system in the STI is actually quite old fashioned - as is the rest of the car - but I loved that about my 2016.
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:25 AM   #1813
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Haha.. Please don't ever speak on the RS's awd system being better than the proper center diff'd system we have.
Ok, it's better than haldex, but still inferior.
Huh? I owned both so let's cut the bs. The Twinster was vastly superior in spirited driving. The rears spin faster than the fronts, the rear half shafts torque vector, and the car naturally rotates with some oversteer. Vastly superior.

In the heavy rain we get here, and in the snow, the handling was extremely predictable. I put the RS in the same extreme weather conditions and I'm not buying what you are selling because it's pulled out of someone's butt hole.

The last track day I did was in Utah, in the snow, on MPSS. The RS did not falter one iota. The shills here are amazing.
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:38 AM   #1814
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:59 AM   #1815
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First thing ima do is head down to the bath and bodyworks and pick up a roll of scented pumpkin spice 3M vinyl wrap and touch up those unpainted areas.

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Old 09-15-2021, 02:11 AM   #1816
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I'm laughing at people here arguing over which "performce" car has the "Best AWD system"... Completely ignoring the Supercar, Hypercar and EV segment where all the actual advanced AWD systems exist
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:31 AM   #1817
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Are you even a human being? How can you never fault Subaru for making mistakes. Its like a disease almost you canít seem to fix. The last gen sti didnít win one comparison test. NOT ONE. Let that sink in. Everybody is tired of ur ridiculous statements itís like your a robot -
This is why I nick-named it ShillBot, years ago. It is not human.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:04 AM   #1818
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I'm laughing at people here arguing over which "performce" car has the "Best AWD system"... Completely ignoring the Supercar, Hypercar and EV segment where all the actual advanced AWD systems exist
See the forest, forest. Few of us can afford those so we are talking about the class of car in reference.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:17 AM   #1819
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I'm laughing at people here arguing over which "performce" car has the "Best AWD system"... Completely ignoring the Supercar, Hypercar and EV segment where all the actual advanced AWD systems exist
Have to say, this is true. SUbaru system is tried and true and obviously works well, but it is not cutting edge. It is mechanical simplicity which is a good for reliability and longevity, but it cannot be as telepathic as something with 4 independent motors with active yaw, accel, steering input, throttle position, and GPS working in harmony. That is a complex system that can be borderline predictive rather than reactive.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:17 AM   #1820
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Focus RS awd system was much more advanced, it had the capability to spin the rear wheels faster than the front if needed for example. The STi awd system still to this day hasn't caught up to the S-AWC system with Yaw control on the evo X. That was released 15 years ago.

The AWD system in the STI is actually quite old fashioned - as is the rest of the car - but I loved that about my 2016.
RS was not a 3 differential system. It is not the same type of AWD system as the STI. Yes, it had a more advanced rear differential for torque vectoring. No one is denying that.

Unless I am losing my mind, S-AWC had an Active Center Differential (ACD) which used clutch packs, not gears. That means it has to slip. In reviews, S-AWC did not beat the STI in low traction scenarios. It was fun to drive but the lack of grip meant it was slower on snow.

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This is fake news - if you believe this then keep drinking that Government Kool-Aid. They say things to scare people into believing it - and unfortunately it works on most
No one is scaring anyone. It is called progress. Get on board.

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Huh? I owned both so let's cut the bs. The Twinster was vastly superior in spirited driving. The rears spin faster than the fronts, the rear half shafts torque vector, and the car naturally rotates with some oversteer. Vastly superior.

In the heavy rain we get here, and in the snow, the handling was extremely predictable. I put the RS in the same extreme weather conditions and I'm not buying what you are selling because it's pulled out of someone's butt hole.

The last track day I did was in Utah, in the snow, on MPSS. The RS did not falter one iota. The shills here are amazing.
I always like your reviews of the RS for spirited applications. To me, the STI's simple and maybe archaic system is more robust for extreme situations (no FWD limp mode to save the clutch packs). That, however, may not translate to a more fun experience at the limit on a track.

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Old 09-15-2021, 09:57 AM   #1821
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Subaru AWD system is tried and true. I hope they didn't mess with it to make it like the FWD based crap.
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:05 AM   #1822
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RS was not a 3 differential system. It is not the same type of AWD system as the STI. Yes, it had a more advanced rear differential for torque vectoring. No one is denying that.

Unless I am losing my mind, S-AWC had an Active Center Differential (ACD) which used clutch packs, not gears. That means it has to slip. In reviews, S-AWC did not beat the STI in low traction scenarios. It was fun to drive but the lack of grip meant it was slower on snow.


No one is scaring anyone. It is called progress. Get on board.


I always like your reviews of the RS for spirited applications. To me, the STI's simple and maybe archaic system is more robust for extreme situations (no FWD limp mode to save the clutch packs). That, however, may not translate to a more fun experience at the limit on a track.
Progression? Where? Even if we all drove electric vehicles the people who ARE PREACHING FOR THEM FLY ALL OVER THE WORLD IN PRIVATE JETS. If you knew anything about the effects of the economy they do far worse than us. Also, disposing the EV batteries is far more harmful than gasoline - especially modern gasoline - cars. Synthetic fuel is cheaper and more efficient and ďenvironmentally friendlyĒ than EV or ICE so that would be actual progression. You call yourself a car enthusiast and you consider an EV progression ***128514;***128514;***128514;
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:07 AM   #1823
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RS was not a 3 differential system. It is not the same type of AWD system as the STI. Yes, it had a more advanced rear differential for torque vectoring. No one is denying that.

Unless I am losing my mind, S-AWC had an Active Center Differential (ACD) which used clutch packs, not gears. That means it has to slip. In reviews, S-AWC did not beat the STI in low traction scenarios. It was fun to drive but the lack of grip meant it was slower on snow.


No one is scaring anyone. It is called progress. Get on board.


I always like your reviews of the RS for spirited applications. To me, the STI's simple and maybe archaic system is more robust for extreme situations (no FWD limp mode to save the clutch packs). That, however, may not translate to a more fun experience at the limit on a track.
A 3 differential system is not ďadvancedĒ it is archaic when the RS system performed better on and off road than the subarus. Just worry about the electric vehicles progression ***128514;***128514;***128514;***128514;***128514; ***128514;
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:07 AM   #1824
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I have to echo that. EV are not progress, they are just different. Not better.
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:08 AM   #1825
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The STI is a street car. Performance in that context is different than if we were strictly referring to an off-road / gravel rally car. The STI is not that for 99% of owners.

In the real world, a more advanced AWD system would be

1.) Lighter weight
2.) Enable Better Fuel Economy (disable an axle) during cruise.
3.) More dynamic in a broader set of conditions.
4.) More performant on tarmac, as torque could be more directly controlled to a given axel / corner.

With such a system, the STI could launch, rotate, and maintain traction better through the corner.
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