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Old 09-04-2008, 07:17 PM   #51
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HolyCrikey, I had your same opinion back in March/April. I found a local shop that had a Fuji on sale and didn't pay much for it. I live in Charlotte too, and the trail that is the closest to me is Renaissance Park. While its not a difficult ride, it is technical at first and great to learn on. I've been getting my endurance up before I step up to any better trails, but I am still not there yet. I am up for more advanced trails, you'll just have to let me take my time
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:44 PM   #52
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Download a manual here.

The 3-way has no secondary chamber, but, the pictures in the manuals are all either 4-ways, or 6-ways.
So just go with what it says and I'll be cool ?

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Those are awesome bikes BTW. Sweet. I'll take em if you can't handle em
I bought the hardtail because I used to race mountain bikes a long time ago and that's what I'm used to(although carbon fiber). When I started driving and got out of bikes, and front suspension was just coming onto the scene... I bought both to try. I'll let you know

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They are oil dampened.

The black cap is the main air spring, the red one is the SPV chamber, the blue one is not a Schraeder, it's the rebound damping adjustment.

Cool, I haven't ridden it and it has just been sitting in my shed for a few months. I looked the other day and noticed 3 inputs/adjustments...

I bought the bikes because I always wanted a Salsa... When I first started racing, my first bike was basically a road bike with a wide fork and backend(cyclocross)

I delivered newspapers and worked at a bowling alley until I could afford a real mountain bike. It was one by Fat City, and was my dream bike. One of my friends had parents that would support him and bought him a sweet Salsa. He beat me in two races that year and I blamed the bike...when actually it was all the hot dogs I was eating at the bowling alley from the snack bar
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:59 PM   #53
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I've never heard of anyone blaming a Fat City for a lost race.
That must have been a whole lot of hot dogs.


Use the settings in the manual as a starting point, then make small adjustments either way, on each of the points individually (don't change spring pressure SPV pressure and rebound damping all at once, do one thing at a time), until you find the ride that suits you best.

Try to keep the rebound damping towards the middle of it's throw, as this is the easiest to fiddle with on the fly to suit trail conditions.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:02 PM   #54
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I've never heard of anyone blaming a Fat City for a lost race.
That must have been a whole lot of hot dogs.


Use the settings in the manual as a starting point, then make small adjustments either way, on each of the points individually (don't change spring pressure SPV pressure and rebound damping all at once, do one thing at a time), until you find the ride that suits you best.

Try to keep the rebound damping towards the middle of it's throw, as this is the easiest to fiddle with on the fly to suit trail conditions.
Cool, thanks for the tip....and it was a lot of free hot dogs
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:28 PM   #55
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Since this is a mt biking thread, I figure I would post these up.

Scenario: bike is ghost shifting like a mother **** in the lower gears on the rear cassette. Chain, chainrings, and cassette don't look worn out. Cables are in terrible shape, so I go ahead and replace the drivetrain. While removing the cassette, I find this doozie in my Mavic Crossland wheelset hub.



$45 later for a new axle, and it seems to be working OK. In the next photo, you can see a small crack that runs down the axis of the axle. I think this was root cause of the break.



2 years on the wheelset, BTW.

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Old 09-04-2008, 10:15 PM   #56
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Look into the dirt jumping bikes like the Specialized P.series. Little bit of the BMX column, little bit of the MTB column, and it's all fun. I ride a Specialized P.2 Chromoly, and it's a hoot.
EXACTLY. Its soo fun and gives you a big adrenaline rush when you try doing things for the first time. The only bad thing is falling hard but just go from jumping small to jumping big slowly and you could possibly start gaping without falling.
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:18 PM   #57
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Does anyone have a "Giant Brass" Bike? How do you like it?
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:21 PM   #58
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uberu, where are you riding in the mid-atlantic?
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:50 PM   #59
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QFT.

No better way to get into shape than some good, hard work.
So the best way for someone to climb Mount Everest is to just go do it? The best way to become a fast motorcycle rider is to buy the biggest supersport you can find as your first bike?

I'd agree with this if it was just running but it looks to me like hitting the trails on a bike is near suicide for an almost-fatty with no off-road experience.
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Old 09-05-2008, 12:00 AM   #60
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OK dude just read the first lines of your first response and if you are looking at spending close to 1K on a bike go with a full suspension downhill bike in the long run you can control it better on the steeps and you can get more speed with longer rides as fatigue is reduced but seriously me and my GF just started this summer and love it! We also have the good fortune to work for the number one resort for Downhill Mtn. biking in the lower 48 states. But yes spend the money you can find a good used KONA STINKY DELUXE great bikes tough and can take a beating! Get a full face helmet and full body armor with full knee to foot covering pads too you'll thank yourself very soon, believe me I too just started. GOOD LOUCK BROTHA'!
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Old 09-05-2008, 02:18 AM   #61
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I ride a regular Giant STP (friggin heavy), love it...but I'm considering switching over to a 24" wheel MTB like an Eastern Nighttrain since I'm only 5'5 and weigh 140 lbs.



considering the Eastern Night Train..
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:33 AM   #62
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So the best way for someone to climb Mount Everest is to just go do it? The best way to become a fast motorcycle rider is to buy the biggest supersport you can find as your first bike?

I'd agree with this if it was just running but it looks to me like hitting the trails on a bike is near suicide for an almost-fatty with no off-road experience.
Where did I say to go enter a 24 hr race solo, or IDITABIKE for your first ride?

I learned on dirt, I'm sure Dolphin Overton learned on dirt, and most others that ride dirt, learned on dirt.

Ask around, find some beginner trails and sack up.

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OK dude just read the first lines of your first response and if you are looking at spending close to 1K on a bike go with a full suspension downhill bike in the long run you can control it better on the steeps and you can get more speed with longer rides as fatigue is reduced but seriously me and my GF just started this summer and love it! We also have the good fortune to work for the number one resort for Downhill Mtn. biking in the lower 48 states. But yes spend the money you can find a good used KONA STINKY DELUXE great bikes tough and can take a beating! Get a full face helmet and full body armor with full knee to foot covering pads too you'll thank yourself very soon, believe me I too just started. GOOD LOUCK BROTHA'!
Look at the OP's region, dude.

There isn't a single mountain in this state that needs a Stinky. He'll end up dragging 50 lbs of bike around with a single chainring for less than a season before he gives up MTBing.
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:56 AM   #63
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So the best way for someone to climb Mount Everest is to just go do it? The best way to become a fast motorcycle rider is to buy the biggest supersport you can find as your first bike?

I'd agree with this if it was just running but it looks to me like hitting the trails on a bike is near suicide for an almost-fatty with no off-road experience.


Maybe mountain biking isn't for you. Have you given rollerblading a try?
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:25 AM   #64
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Where did I say to go enter a 24 hr race solo, or IDITABIKE for your first ride?

I learned on dirt, I'm sure Dolphin Overton learned on dirt, and most others that ride dirt, learned on dirt.

Ask around, find some beginner trails and sack up.
Bankie: I agree with VpointVick. I crashed more than I actually rode during that first year of riding, but I learned on dirt.

My advise for any beginner is to take it slow, buy some comfortable pads and walk over anything that you are unsure about. Talk to other mountain bikers and watch their technique. Take a beginner skills clinic if there is one available in your area, and most of all, have fun and keep the rubber side down.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:55 AM   #65
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Bankie: I agree with VpointVick. I crashed more than I actually rode during that first year of riding, but I learned on dirt.

My advise for any beginner is to take it slow, buy some comfortable pads and walk over anything that you are unsure about. Talk to other mountain bikers and watch their technique. Take a beginner skills clinic if there is one available in your area, and most of all, have fun and keep the rubber side down.
Thanks Edvig. That's more akin to what I was looking for.

I'd say I'll be doing most of it myself. I won't be talking to many of the mountain bikers if they display the same attitudes as some I've seen here.
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Thanks Edvig. That's more akin to what I was looking for.

I'd say I'll be doing most of it myself. I won't be talking to many of the mountain bikers if they display the same attitudes as some I've seen here.
And you won't be doing it for long with a whiny, pansy attitude you've demonstrated thus far.

What are we supposed to tell you? You're only going to learn by doing. Nobody is telling you to go hit some 8' drops on day one, but unless you're riding in the dirt, you'll never get good at it. If you're too dense to differentiate between riding like a beginner and riding like an expert, it's not our fault.
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Old 09-05-2008, 11:01 AM   #67
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idk what's up with you guys

Mountain Biker's are some of the coolest people out there. Courteous on the trails (in general) plus will never hesitate to stop and help if you've stopped on the trail with a flat or something. (at least stop and ask if you're ok, and need a pump/patch/tube/tool, whatever)
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Old 09-05-2008, 11:05 AM   #68
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idk what's up with you guys

Mountain Biker's are some of the coolest people out there. Courteous on the trails (in general) plus will never hesitate to stop and help if you've stopped on the trail with a flat or something. (at least stop and ask if you're ok, and need a pump/patch/tube/tool, whatever)
That's pretty much been my experience as well. On occasion, there will be the guy who won't move over no matter what so he won't mess up his cadence.
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idk what's up with you guys

Mountain Biker's are some of the coolest people out there. Courteous on the trails (in general) plus will never hesitate to stop and help if you've stopped on the trail with a flat or something. (at least stop and ask if you're ok, and need a pump/patch/tube/tool, whatever)
+ 100
All the mountain bikers that I've met have been great.
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All the mountain bikers that I've met have been great.
Same here... if your stopped on the trail they always ask if you need anything or are you hurt.
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Where did I say to go enter a 24 hr race solo, or IDITABIKE for your first ride?

I learned on dirt, I'm sure Dolphin Overton learned on dirt, and most others that ride dirt, learned on dirt.

Ask around, find some beginner trails and sack up.



Look at the OP's region, dude.

There isn't a single mountain in this state that needs a Stinky. He'll end up dragging 50 lbs of bike around with a single chainring for less than a season before he gives up MTBing.
I agree with V, I learned on the trail. Also OP should definitely stay away from a DH rig. I never understood buying a bike I can't ride up a hill
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OK dude just read the first lines of your first response and if you are looking at spending close to 1K on a bike go with a full suspension downhill bike in the long run you can control it better on the steeps and you can get more speed with longer rides as fatigue is reduced but seriously me and my GF just started this summer and love it! We also have the good fortune to work for the number one resort for Downhill Mtn. biking in the lower 48 states. But yes spend the money you can find a good used KONA STINKY DELUXE great bikes tough and can take a beating! Get a full face helmet and full body armor with full knee to foot covering pads too you'll thank yourself very soon, believe me I too just started. GOOD LOUCK BROTHA'!
Are you for real?

First, 1K isn't near enough for a new, good quality FS downhill frame, let alone a whole bike. For 1K, he'd have to buy used, and even then, it would be difficult to buy a complete bike for that little. Also, the OP is just getting started in MTB, and *most* people don't jump right into DH. He might not even like DH; he might be a XC person.

A basic HT will do the OP fine to get started pedaling around some trails. If it's something he likes, he can buy a more appropriate rig if/when he outgrows what he decides to ride.
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And you won't be doing it for long with a whiny, pansy attitude you've demonstrated thus far.

What are we supposed to tell you? You're only going to learn by doing. Nobody is telling you to go hit some 8' drops on day one, but unless you're riding in the dirt, you'll never get good at it. If you're too dense to differentiate between riding like a beginner and riding like an expert, it's not our fault.
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I'm betting that someone that's out of shape isn't going to do to well on a MTB. Just ride the bike on the road for a few weeks? Any tips for getting ready for the trails?
That's a whiny attitude?

If someone new to motorcycling asked me how best to get ready I'd say, "Buy a smaller bike, practice in a parking lot until you're comfortable, always wear your gear, etc". But then I welcome others into my hobbies.

"You're only going to learn by doing." would have been a decent enough answer. "Quit being a vag" doesn't have any value whatsoever.
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That's a whiny attitude?
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So the best way for someone to climb Mount Everest is to just go do it? The best way to become a fast motorcycle rider is to buy the biggest supersport you can find as your first bike?

I'd agree with this if it was just running but it looks to me like hitting the trails on a bike is near suicide for an almost-fatty with no off-road experience.

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"You're only going to learn by doing." would have been a decent enough answer. "Quit being a vag" doesn't have any value whatsoever.
Hi. Welcome to OT.
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^ just start on easy trails, ie no drops, etc. and just do it.

The part where you have to suck it up and not be a vag is when you're lungs/legs are burning at first. You just have to work through that (be it slow down, breath steady, sip water from the camelbak) but just keep going until you get that second wind.

I don't think anyone is recommending finding the hardest trail out there for your first time out and killing yourself.
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