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Old 12-24-2011, 12:09 PM   #6701
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I've been lurking this thread since I placed my order for my 5dr premium in early Oct, but never got around to registering. Well, I finally got the call saying that my car was going to be ready for delivery on Monday.

With that, I had a quick question about registration fees. Would I be saving any money in regards to registration fees/taxes if I were to wait until Jan 1 to take delivery of the car? I'm 25 and this is the first car that I am buying on my own, so I have no experience in this department.

Thanks!

BTW, congrats to everyone who has already gotten their cars, I'm super excited to finally get mine, especially after reading through the thread for so long! (minus all the recent negative comments)
I doubt you would save money, at least in my state registration is for a calendar year based upon when you register it, not on the 1st of January.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:11 PM   #6702
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@ Zeeper, the Elantra was good IMHO but lacked the rear space head wise. Plus I figured for 5k more I get more bang for the buck including the panaromic sunroof.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:13 PM   #6703
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I remember when I owned motorcycles, I had tons of people giving me advice about how I should start up my bike, keep the choke on and then occasionally come back to turn off the choke to see if the bike idles normal before jumping on and race away. I then had one smart man who has been riding bikes in a family for 4 generation say, start the engine, turn up the choke just a little bit, jump on, ride it gently, and then slowly take off the choke. You'll be totally fine (talking to the bike), and oh, don't forget to buckle up (telling me). I've never had a problem ever since this advice. Same goes for what you just said. In other words, I agree.
I have to disagree 'a little" with that suggestion as I have a 1999 Kawasaki ZRX1100. It needs a short warm up with the choke before I start operating it mainly because the choke modulation (it is actually an air enrichment circuit) is not very good and the bike has a tendency to stall if the idle is not smooth -- this is problematic when I pull into the road and the engine stalls which happened to me before. Note this is not due to dirty carbs, as I cleaned those, just a manual "choke" that is not computer controlled.

That being said, my motorcycle warms up in a couple of minutes so it really isn't an issue. If you have a fuel injected motorcycle you don't really need any warm up (just like modern cars) because the engine takes care of itself.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:13 PM   #6704
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I doubt you would save money, at least in my state registration is for a calendar year based upon when you register it, not on the 1st of January.
Thanks for the reply! I have been trying to search the web, but all I seem to find is info about registering a car when moving to a new state.

I keep thinking that if it's for a calendar year, I'd be paying for part of December, then have to renew it at the beginning of next December, basically paying to drive in December for a week. Maybe I'm just being cheap too, ha.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:14 PM   #6705
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fiddlestyx, it shouldn't matter when you register the car... it should be renewed for its calendar year(s) as Zeeper said.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:17 PM   #6706
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Let's be real, the blue light for the lack of a better term is another "idiot" light. Very few cars have them. It just shows that the engine hasn't reached optimal operating temperature range yet. Every gasoline engine car works basically the same way with or without the light. That means keep the revs low and don't expect any heat to come out of your vent just yet. Don't rely on lights and just use common-sense. The engine is running synthetic oil, which lubricates faster than conventional oil in low temperature situations. I've always used Mobil 1 synthetic on all my cars after the initial oil change, and I do not wait for those engines to warm up. Just don't hammer the gas pedal for a few minutes, that's all.

I actually like the Optima over the Sonata, but I think both cars are over-designed and their styling will not hold up over time. I actually find the design of the Sonata already old. It is a matter of personal taste, but I prefer clean time-less lines like that found on Audis (not counting the Qs and the A7). Mercedes are overdone, and so are the newer BMWs. I guess I like KIAs since their design team is led by Peter Schreyer formerly of Audi. Again, it's a matter of personal taste and I'm sure a lot of people find Audis boring. I just prefer a more conservative, classic contemporary and spartan clean lines.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:17 PM   #6707
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@ Zeeper, the Elantra was good IMHO but lacked the rear space head wise. Plus I figured for 5k more I get more bang for the buck including the panaromic sunroof.
They are both nice, I drove them before seeing that Subaru was going to chase MPG's with the new model. The new style Elantra looks years ahead of my 2008 but felt pretty much the same driving. The Sonata is a fabulous car -- if only they had AWD in both models!

I'm not much for SUV's -- though I have to say the Impreza almost feels like you are driving an SUV -- maybe because of the excellent visibility out the windows?

As far as the new KIA's they are also great -- my brother in law just bought one and it is a nice looking and driving car. I'd expect quality to be on par with Hyundai.

I just read yesterday that Hyundai or Kia poached a BMW lead designer so watch for more stylish cars in the future from them...and it would not surprise me if they also investigate AWD trim levels in their cars (not SUV's) in the future...
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:19 PM   #6708
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I have to disagree 'a little" with that suggestion as I have a 1999 Kawasaki ZRX1100. It needs a short warm up with the choke before I start operating it mainly because the choke modulation (it is actually an air enrichment circuit) is not very good and the bike has a tendency to stall if the idle is not smooth -- this is problematic when I pull into the road and the engine stalls which happened to me before. Note this is not due to dirty carbs, as I cleaned those, just a manual "choke" that is not computer controlled.

That being said, my motorcycle warms up in a couple of minutes so it really isn't an issue. If you have a fuel injected motorcycle you don't really need any warm up (just like modern cars) because the engine takes care of itself.
Well you're right, but not more a minute or two. I've had people tell me to keep it on for 5 minutes minimum and then take it off before riding out. This sounded very much obnoxious as you can understand I'm keeping the engine at high rev for FIVE minutes. I felt like choking for a minute or two then riding off with choke on and slowly taking it off worked well. ...And yes my 2007 ZX6R didn't need the choke because it was fuel injected.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:25 PM   #6709
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Let's be real, the blue light for the lack of a better term is another "idiot" light. Very few cars have them. It just shows that the engine hasn't reached optimal operating temperature range yet. Every gasoline engine car works basically the same way with or without the light. That means keep the revs low and don't expect any heat to come out of your vent just yet. Don't rely on lights and just use common-sense. The engine is running synthetic oil, which lubricates faster than conventional oil in low temperature situations. I've always used Mobil 1 synthetic on all my cars after the initial oil change, and I do not wait for those engines to warm up. Just don't hammer the gas pedal for a few minutes, that's all.

I actually like the Optima over the Sonata, but I think both cars are over-designed and their styling will not hold up over time. I actually find the design of the Sonata already old. It is a matter of personal taste, but I prefer clean time-less lines like that found on Audis (not counting the Qs and the A7). Mercedes are overdone, and so are the newer BMWs. I guess I like KIAs since their design team is led by Peter Schreyer formerly of Audi. Again, it's a matter of personal taste and I'm sure a lot of people find Audis boring. I just prefer a more conservative, classic contemporary and spartan clean lines.
Well good sir, I find Benz, Beemers, and even Audis to be very conservative, classy, contemporary, and very Hellenistic designs!

And Hyundais and Kia(s) (Optima for that) to be mimicking their footsteps.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:35 PM   #6710
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fiddlestyx, it shouldn't matter when you register the car... it should be renewed for its calendar year(s) as Zeeper said.
Awesome, thanks to both of you for the answer. I'm excited for Monday!
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:13 PM   #6711
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I was/am so pissed off at SOA with this delay that I decided to look into something else...
Well I did all my cross-shopping before ordering. I always liked the 2nd generation Impreza, and the 3rd generation was better than average on a test drive. I prefer small cars and figure the new Impreza can't be any worse than other compact and sub-compact cars (Cruze, Focus, Genesis Coupe, Altima Coupe, etc). Really the Sonata is a bigger class of car. It generally competes against other mid-size and large cars such as the Legacy, Camry, Fusion, and Malibu.

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The only major city that I've lived in is Denver, and there smaller cars make it easier to park on the street. Nothing you really listed indicates you need a big car, so it sounds to me like you don't know what you want. Personally I want an entry-level 2+2 sports car, but since my last car is 15 years old my sensible side says to buy something with lower ownership costs than the FR-S or BRZ.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:39 PM   #6712
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alluring- yes, the Sonata is a little bigger and that is why Zeeper suggested the Elantra however... after driving both Elantra and Sonata (Impreza I haven't driven yet but just sat in one) I found it to be very comfortable to both drive and park. As specs go, Sonata is about 16 inches longer. Now I'm not giving up on the Impreza, I'm just comparing between them. For the price, its really "alluring" me.

If you are thinking that the 2012 Impreza is going to be a racer... or an "entry-level" sports car aiming below fr-s and brz. You're misleading yourself. This impreza is not aimed for tuning or for sport enthusiast. It just has its natural "kick" to itself and will take care of itself when the awd is needed, but that's it. Don't expect it to be turbo charged, time-spliting 0-60, car to car chasing, or so. Yes, upgrade the brakes, suspensions, tires, wheels; but nothing major. Atleast not yet. ...And if I got this car, I wouldn't hook this car up at all. Just leave it as is.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:58 PM   #6713
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Whoa... just came back to see so many things on the negative side... I didn't think to expect these so soon... Hmm...

Well... I need your help guys. G- I'd like your input if u wud since I think of you as the yoda of cars now lol

Just drove the Hyundai Sonata SE 2.0L Turbo and... I was in complete awe! This car, yes has the look of a Benz yada yada, but holy wow I did not expect the interior to be at par... The seating was nice and comfy, the gadgets looked sweet, the ride felt very good, interior spacing -trunk included- was large, the styling felt very luxurious, and not once was I unimpressed with the audio. I drove this car to my fullest ability with my tongue sticking out to the side and driving manic like I was a little kid making racing noises and turning side to side. (BTW, I will do the same with the Impreza when it ever shows up.) The dealer couldn't believe me and said, "I never thought this car could do that...".

Caution, I'm not a salesman nor anything to do with anyone.

I was/am so pissed off at SOA with this delay that I decided to look into something else... even if I'm hating myself and I'm sure some of youse are, I was/am really looking forward to having this Subie. I definitely wanted to get an AWD with a good gas mileage so when in trouble... there wouldn't be any trouble. Plus the reliability of the Subaru come in to play (although at the moment the reliability sucks big, juicy, empty, time wasting BALLS!).

Coming back here to read the negatives are NOT helping either. Now I drove the SE model... there's also a SE Limited Turbo that when it was mentioned I couldn't stop drooling (Yes I did my hw in home before I went in).

Now I need your help nasioc to tell me what should I do. My impulse wants to jump on the Hyundai but my craving for Subaru still keeping me loyal. I live in NYC and will probably drive the car once a week (going snowboarding upstate and jersey), perhaps camping during the seasons -the rest will be on mom commuting to drop off my sister to school and doing groceries. I haven't seen snow yet, except for that one day when it snowed in Oct then came back up to the 60s. I live in the city, so the streets get cleaned promptly although when it snows hard my street gets ignored. I park the car on the street so I expect city wear and tear (car bumping, scratches from passing pedestrians and bikers, [god-forsaken] theft breaking/vandalisms, etc.)

Should I really get this Impreza? I mean I do want to enjoy being inside the car, listen to good quality music especially from my iPod and Pandora, feel good inside, be safe, and also drive like I'm beating all the NYC cabbies. Ultimately, which car will keep my wallet fuller from maintenance, safety, and break downs? I know Subaru but don't know much about Hyundais... I was hoping the best for St Eye, but reading his post about airbag problems and others with light condensation is really making me sad. I'm looking to keep the car for at least 10 years from now.

I'm 28, finishing college, full time job, single but take care of mom and sister (father passed away), enjoy long walks on the beach...

Whadya say?
Three words: Get the Subaru.

The problems we are having are not the norm. This stuff can happen with a total redesign. I am hoping to have everything resolved in a timely manner. AWD is worth the wait.

Also the Impreza is a more young person's car IMO.
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:02 PM   #6714
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Awesome, thanks to both of you for the answer. I'm excited for Monday!
Fiddle, it depends on your state's system. Here in Michigan, registration/plates are based on your birthday. For instance, my birthday is in the middle of January. Since I traded in a car, I could have transferred my plates to the new Subie and pay a transfer fee. I would then have had to renew my plates in a couple weeks and pay full registration fee. In order to save the transfer fee (which isn't a whole lot, something like $10), I just ordered a new plate.

In your case, even if your state goes by calender year, your dealer should be able to get your plate/registration for 2012 now.
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:09 PM   #6715
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Three words: Get the Subaru.

The problems we are having are not the norm. This stuff can happen with a total redesign. I am hoping to have everything resolved in a timely manner. AWD is worth the wait.

Also the Impreza is a more young person's car IMO.
I admit that, having only gotten my 2012 Impreza Limited on Wednesday, and only having put about 150 miles on it so far, I haven't had to chance to really put it through it's paces....but so far, both my wife and I absolutely love it! I did however, immediately replace the Yokohamas with Conti DWSs. Keep in mind though that this was an "upgrade" from my 2000 Forester L with about 185K miles on it. Even having to get through the remnants of a somewhat big snowstorm (about a foot of snow), it drives impeccably. I haven't as yet experienced ANY of the problems or cons that some others have reported. HD radio works fine, no problems with bluetooth, no condensation in headlights, seats very comfortable, very peppy engine/CVT, great handling....but perhaps I'll find some bugs after several hundred more miles....or perhaps I was a lucky one and got a car without some of these bugs.
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:12 PM   #6716
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What's up with all the negativity on here lately? I have 1700 miles on mine and I absolutely love it. I look forward to getting in it and going for a spin each and every time.

I've had zero problems -- Cruise control is dead on except for the steepest of hills where it will under/over shoot, but every car does this as it can't "see" what's ahead like we humans can. Keep in mind, I have the CVT and it is actively varying in order to pull this off. I've only ever had one manual (5spd RSX) that had enough power in top gear to maintain speed on moderate hills.

Mine drives straight as an arrow on the highway. I'm not sure if it "returns to center." I'm not sure any of the cars I've driven have ever done that. If I put the steering wheel in the center, it goes straight. I will say that high cross winds will push this car all over -- more than anything else I have driven. Maybe it's because it is light and relatively tall. It's not a big issue for me as high cross winds are rare (in my area, at least). The car will slightly pull to the left or right on highly crowned/banked (non-level) roads, but again, every vehicle that I've ever driven has done this.

I think the fit and finish is great except for the cheap-o visors. My key receiver is off a little, though, like the one someone posted a picture of earlier. I don't think I would have noticed it though until it was pointed out.

Am I the only one not stressing out about the headlight condensation? Sure I want them to fix it and I'll take it in once a TSB gets issued, but I haven't even bothered to see if mine actually has the problem yet.

As for the audio -- yes, the stock settings SUCK! Just turn off SRS, fade to the front a bit, and then turn up the bass and treble to your liking. Also, the speakers sound better once they break in.

The tires are loud, but at full tread are good on dry roads and wet roads. It hasn't snowed here yet (which is unheard of by this time of year), but my expectations aren't high. Once it finally snows, I'll see if I can live with the stock tires for a while. If not, I'll replace them with the Conti DWS that everyone seems to enjoy (I've never had to run snow tires on my AWD/4WD vehicles and don't plan to start now).

Well, I'm off to take my family in the Impreza to the in-laws for Christmas. Happy holidays everyone!
I couldn't agree more. I'm very happy with mine. I love driving it! I can't say more about the handling, suspension & visibility on mine... they're great!

On the interior, vs my parents 2011 souped up Outback, yes the Impreza has some cheaper items, but that's why it's the cheaper base model. Considering how much I paid, I'm okay with these concessions.

I haven't had any steering/alignment issues except that the Impreza feels tighter & yes I have to consciously drive the car to keep it straight but lets be honest you have to on any car, we don't drive on autopilot here. Thought my key are was perfectly centered but it's only slightly off. Of which I'd literally never have noticed had it not been pointed out. & I have double, triple checked my headlights with no problems. It may be a design flaw that could cause it, but it's most definitely a manufacturing/install issue since not everyone has it. If we have issues, we have warranties people. Let's see what STEye's dealer is able to come up with to resolve his. & STEye - you are valid in your frustration on your seat sensor issue & your dealer's responses.

Mileage, I'll give it time to improve. I'm just over 300 miles & I do idle since I live in a cold area & bought the remote starter for a reason. I don't do it for the temp light purpose but so that I'm not freezing my arse off when I drive away.

& as far as being upset about waiting, I get it. You're anxious & want your car & SOA doesn't have a good tracking system from point of order to delivery but my salesman was very upfront with me about this the day I ordered. We were never promised any dates by dealers or SOA. they're not lying to you they really don't have info. Your salesman is just as frustrated, he's waiting in his commission too. I ordered in August & waited 4 months & had no car for a month in there. But I didn't once think about shopping for another car. I had been waiting on the 2012 Impreza since April or I would've gotten the 2011 then. Waiting sucks people but let's not forget what this country is recovering from still. Subaru's been trying to get out from under that for months!

On that note, I'm gonna go have fun in my ride too. Merry Christmas & I hope Santa brings everyone good news on delivery dates for everyone but don't get too negative until you can drive yours & judge.
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All of us living in regions with cold winters will have to wait until spring to see what kind of mileage the Impreza can really achieve. With oxygenated gas mix and warming the engine, we won't get the true mileage ratings, unless you are going on a long trip like driving down to Florida next week.

We all need to set expectations based on what you paid for. My G35x has a very nice interior, super engine and smooth transmission compared to the Impreza, but it also cost a lot more. When I bought my G35x, I had compared it against the previous generation Acura TL and the new CTS. I thought the Infiniti presented the best value for its driving dynamics and AWD. It's all about value for your money. KIA and Hyundai are putting out some nice cars and good price points, and I had looked at them as well, but the wife wanted a safe AWD with good gas mileage. We were replacing her 00 Legacy GT Ltd. My wife and I test drove the Sportage and Sorento, and we both liked the handling and visibility of the Sorento over the 2.0T Sportage. IMO, the Sportage's poor rear visibility, is an accident waiting to happen. Also, we decided that the Impreza is intended to be handed down to our kids who will be driving in less than 4 years. So, we eliminated the Audi A4 Avant.
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:00 PM   #6718
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Photos of my new car - Taken from an iPod with the shaky hands of an old man. This is two toned (BL2) Black over Dark Gray. If in direct sunlight you can see the color difference. In the shade it is real had to discern the difference.

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Old 12-24-2011, 05:36 PM   #6719
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Photos of my new car - Taken from an iPod with the shaky hands of an old man. This is two toned (BL2) Black over Dark Gray. If in direct sunlight you can see the color difference. In the shade it is real had to discern the difference.

http://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc403/g-omaha/

Hope that this works as this is new to me..

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Old 12-24-2011, 05:38 PM   #6720
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Oh no you didn't!

I wanna see that rack.
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That's a joke I would make...

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All of us living in regions with cold winters will have to wait until spring to see what kind of mileage the Impreza can really achieve. With oxygenated gas mix and warming the engine, we won't get the true mileage ratings, unless you are going on a long trip like driving down to Florida next week.

We all need to set expectations based on what you paid for.
MEGA DOT! Honestly the suspension and handling of this car reminds me of that of my dad's BMW 3 Series... without the premium gas, constant electrical problems and the increased sticker and insurance prices...

I've been getting about 31 to 34 mpg in mixed city and highway driving through about 1000 miles of driving. Most of the highway driving was at 75-80 mph through rural and hilly Maryland and PA.

Haven't had a chance to drive through snow yet, but I'm going to Vermont in a few weeks so hopefully there will be some snow to drive through.

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Old 12-24-2011, 05:44 PM   #6721
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Thanks, I'll try that when I take more pictures later next week. These were not so great and I intend to replace them.

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Old 12-24-2011, 05:45 PM   #6722
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if I got this car, I wouldn't hook this car up at all. Just leave it as is.
Hook it up... hahaha... well I'm expecting Cruze Eco with a manual performance, and if the 5 speed can't live up to that I'll either pass on buying or eventually sell it. The only hooking up I'm planning is the auto-dimming rear mirror, tossing the stereo, and if I get really adventurous I might try to remedy Subaru's cost-cutting with aftermarket automatic headlights.
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:49 PM   #6723
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31-34 mpg on mixed driving is very promising for the rest of us. I've only got 250 on the odometer. First tank of gas in suburban NYC driving shows 22 mpg. That's slightly under what I get on the open highway with my G35x. I would say the suburbs outside of NYC is the equivalent of city with EPA ratings. If you are in the 5 boroughs, it would be probably down to 17 mpg at this stage of the game. I'm sure we'll get the 36 on the open road.

I can't wait for some snow to see how it drives!
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Old 12-24-2011, 06:01 PM   #6724
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31-34 mpg on mixed driving is very promising for the rest of us. I've only got 250 on the odometer. First tank of gas in suburban NYC driving shows 22 mpg. That's slightly under what I get on the open highway with my G35x. I would say the suburbs outside of NYC is the equivalent of city with EPA ratings. If you are in the 5 boroughs, it would be probably down to 17 mpg at this stage of the game. I'm sure we'll get the 36 on the open road.

I can't wait for some snow to see how it drives!
Yea, my first tank was somewhere around 23 mpg in suburban MD, that was ALL city, stop and go, and a lot of traffic jams. Last week I was able to drive city to work and take the highway back after lifting when traffic declines, and that's where I was able to get the 31.

Also, since I've driven a Murano before, I've been driving CVTs for a while now. Eventually you learn how much pressure to put on the throttle to have the revs drop and to have the car "cruise". Once you learn that the MPG's go up.

I drove from MD to northern NJ last night through PA (I 81, I 78, US 15) to be with family for Xmas, I got 31 mpg.
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Old 12-24-2011, 06:05 PM   #6725
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