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Old 02-23-2019, 04:26 PM   #851
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Yes, but only fools and desperate buyers pay mark up. Fact is the newer generation and dare I say my generation are a lot more aware (Thanks Best Motoring and Gran Turismo) of the Japanese marques and Halo cars that the USDM market was deprived of for years. So people have the attitude of “buy one before they are gone.”

Remember when the WRX came out. Followed by the WRX STi? Followed by the Evo VIII? People went nutz. I drooled at the WRX STi at the NY autoshow. 12 months later I bought the monster, diff noise, whining transmission, flapping hood scoop and all. Having owned my fair share of USDM, EDM AND JDM cars, nothing as yet has compared to the visceral feeling of that car.

That is until 13 years later, having taken a drive in the Type R. The initial turn in and handling is ridiculous, the diff works wonders, the seats glorious, the brakes even better than the STi. The interior is nice, minus the silly red accents. The stock wheels are excessive and more for show, most replace them with 18’s because that size tire is much more affordable.

I have heard Honda has given the green light to the next gen Type R. My current car will easily hold me down to see what the next gen brings. If that doesn’t work out I can always pick up an FK Type R or dare I say even a used S209.

Like the majority of veterans on here preach “enthusiasts are the minority.” Really? I guess SOA has forgotten that the WRX is the car that brought them into the real mainstream. Because before that car I sure didn’t see a lot of SVX’s or Baha’s or Justy’s or Imprezas or Outbacks. Let’s not even discuss the years back dialogue put out by Subaru to differentiate the WRX and STi entirely from the Impreza and the talk of moving the interior more upscale to BMW 3 series and M3 like.

I love Subaru but lack of any major progress has left a bad taste in my mouth. Special edition STi take 5 anyone? I am not holding my breath on Subaru. Only some shock and awe event would capture my attention, but then again I probably fall under the “sell this guy an Ascent” demographic. <end rant>
EVO is dead
RS is dead
STI/WRX still outsell the competition...I am just saying. Subaru is in the business of selling cars and not pleasing hardcore enthusiasts. The VA chassis STi/WRX have been a huge success for them. I don't like Subaru. I don't like sedans but dammit this VA WRX sold me on the spot. I wasn't even seriously considering one so they are doing something right here IMO.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:21 AM   #852
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I think the biggest boost Subaru made to their sales was when they put humidifiers in WRX/STIs to help make bigger vape clouds.
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EVO is dead
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STI/WRX still outsell the competition...I am just saying. Subaru is in the business of selling cars and not pleasing hardcore enthusiasts. The VA chassis STi/WRX have been a huge success for them. I don't like Subaru. I don't like sedans but dammit this VA WRX sold me on the spot. I wasn't even seriously considering one so they are doing something right here IMO.
The RS is not dead. Mk1, Mk2, or Mk2, Ford (Germany) makes the RS at the end of that Focii lifecycle for 2 model years. The Mk3 is the same as the ones that came before it. Dead it is not, there will be another.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:43 PM   #854
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The RS is not dead. Mk1, Mk2, or Mk2, Ford (Germany) makes the RS at the end of that Focii lifecycle for 2 model years. The Mk3 is the same as the ones that came before it. Dead it is not, there will be another.
Dead for the US, I think he meant. No more Ford cars for the US.
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Dead for the US, I think he meant. No more Ford cars for the US.
For now. They are just reallocating $ for electric vehicle development. I think it's more of a pause then a stoppage. It's not just with vehicles either. I'm seeing a big change as the millennials age and become the focal point of every product mfr. Motorcycle sales, tanking. Boats, tanking. So much for that demographic because things like driving dynamics, outdoor motor sports, whatever, mean very little. That phone and the apps on it are more important and they spend an awful lot of time on their devices jacked in to the internet so they don't have time or interest in such things. I look at the entire USDM lineups and they are littered with CUV's. As this "trend" continues I expect to see more cars axed in favor of these CUV's. It's a damn shame. Ford will bring some cars back. Right now everyone is racing in that EV space. China and Europe are driving that market. China especially as they are waving heaps of fees if you go electric and that's a massive market. Cars are mostly world vehicles now and that's driving the market, development, etc.
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The arrival of a brand-new Mercedes A-Class last year meant hot hatch fans around the world have been eagerly awaiting a new range-topping performance variant.

Something they might not have expected was that the company’s AMG division was actually working on two new models: a range-topping replacement for the old A 45 (that’s coming later this year) and this, the new A 35 AMG. This entry-level rung on the AMG ladder is designed to rival the Volkswagen Golf R at a more affordable price point than its bigger brother

It follows a similar formula to its VW competitor, with a 2.0-litre turbocharged petrol engine powering all four wheels through a dual-clutch transmission.

But at this price, this most affordable AMG model also has to face another rival: our current favourite hot hatchback, the Honda Civic Type R. This delivers thrills like little else on the road. However, even though it has the most power, the Japanese car does without a four-wheel-drive system like its test rivals. Not that this has hobbled the Honda in the past, because it has seen off the challenge of the likes of the all-wheel-drive Ford Focus RS.

The AMG A 35 has a tough task to take on these two titans of the hot hatch world, then. We know a great car in this class has to tick many boxes, but is the new Mercedes talented enough to walk away with the win?

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Model: Mercedes-AMG A 35 4MATIC
Price: £35,580
Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl petrol, 302bhp
0-60mph: 4.7 seconds
Test economy: 34.4mpg/7.6mpl
CO2: 167g/km
Annual road tax: £140

The Mercedes-AMG A 35 currently sits at the top of the A-Class range. It’s the most expensive model of our group, at £35,580, although our test car was laden with expensive options, including the £2,595 style pack that adds the large rear wing.

Design & engineering

That spoiler, 19-inch alloys and aerodynamic trim on the bumpers are all part of the styling pack, because the standard A 35 looks much like a lesser AMG Line version.

But AMG has applied plenty of tweaks beneath the skin to sharpen up the A-Class’s responses and make the most of its 302bhp 2.0-litre turbocharged petrol engine. There are MacPherson struts at the front and a multi-link set-up at the rear, while the brand has tweaked the suspension extensively and combined it with a 4MATIC four-wheel-drive system.

Power is sent to the wheels through a seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox, just as it is in the Golf R – and with similar power outputs, the German rivals have a similar approach. The Honda is a contrast, with its manual transmission and front-wheel-drive layout.

A highlight of the new A-Class range is the interior, and it’s the same story with the A 35. The quality is excellent and the cabin is the classiest of these three hot hatches. While the Golf isn’t far behind the AMG, the Honda trails its competitors in this respect.

Mercedes’ standard MBUX infotainment system features two seven-inch display screens, with one of them replacing traditional dials behind the steering wheel, although our test car had two 10.25-inch units fitted as part of its £8,380 of optional extras. The larger screens are great, though, adding a hi-tech feel.

Standard equipment on the Mercedes includes 18-inch alloy wheels, AMG styling, selectable driving modes, Artico man-made leather sports seats, LED headlights, climate control and satellite navigation.

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The A 35 is actually the least powerful model of our test trio. There’s only a few bhp in it, and 302bhp is not to be sniffed at, while all three cars have the same maximum 400Nm of torque. However, the AMG is the heaviest model here, at 1,555kg, which is pretty chunky for a hot hatch of this size – it’s a whopping 175kg heavier than the Civic Type R, and 72kg more than the Golf.

Still, the Mercedes’ four-wheel-drive system and launch control function meant it was quick off the line, taking 4.7 seconds on a cold, wet track to go from 0-60mph. That was 0.4 seconds behind the ballistic Golf R, but well ahead of the front-wheel-drive Honda, which struggled with wheelspin.

All three cars recorded a 30-50mph time of 2.2 seconds in third gear, which shows how well matched they are for performance once they’re rolling. However, while it’s linear and also pretty refined, the A 35’s engine feels a bit flat. It’s a similar story in the Volkswagen, though, and while the Honda’s engine is more visceral, none of these 2.0-litre units sounds particularly exciting.

The Mercedes’ steering is similar to the Golf’s, too, in that it’s precise but feels a bit disconnected; although it’s a nicer weight and does feel less resistive to your inputs, especially under power. Traction is brilliant as well, with the four-wheel drive shuffling power around effectively. Cornering grip is also plentiful, while our car’s winter tyres could explain a slight lack of steering precision compared with its rivals.

The A 35 is also reasonably comfortable on a motorway and deals with smaller bumps pretty well at higher speeds. Yet as your speed drops so does the level of comfort, and around town the Mercedes feels firm. Adaptive dampers are a £695 option, but weren’t fitted to our car; they cost £850 on the VW and are included as standard on the Honda.

Practicality

The A 35 retains the A-Class’s acceptable 370 litres of boot space, which means it’s more spacious than the Golf R’s 343 litres, which is reduced compared with a standard Golf due to the car’s four-wheel-drive system. Both capacities are smaller than the Civic’s 420-litre volume, though.

Compared with its predecessor, this A-Class is much better packaged, so there’s more space in the rear. Headroom is still a bit tight, but it’s broadly on par with the Volkswagen and Honda for legroom.

The Mercedes features a large central cubby, and with no gearlever on the centre console, there’s a big set of cup-holders for extra storage, which is easier to access than the VW’s cubby below its screen.

Ownership

In the makers’ chart of our Driver Power 2018 owner satisfaction survey, Mercedes finished behind both Volkswagen and Honda, in a relatively poor 20th place out of 26 brands. Honda performed well in third, while Volkswagen ranked in fifth position overall.

The A-Class gets a full five-star Euro NCAP rating. Autonomous braking and lane-keep assist are standard on all three cars, but blind spot assist and parking sensors are both missing from the A 35; they’re part of the costly £1,695 Driving Assistance and £1,395 Executive option packages.

Running costs

One example of pricey options on the AMG is heated seats, which are part of the £1,395 Executive Package (they’re included as standard on the Golf R). But this also adds worthwhile extras, such as the larger infotainment screen.

The A 35 returned a solid 34.4mpg during our test. Annual fuel costs over 12,000 miles will therefore be £1,887, compared with £2,081 in the 31.2mpg Honda and £2,216 in the Golf (at 29.3mpg).

Testers’ notes

“The A 35’s dual-clutch gearbox is occasionally jerky in auto mode when it gets caught in two minds. It also sometimes selects an inappropriate gear in town. Still, it shifts quickly and the tactile paddles are nice.”

Honda Civic Type R

Model: Honda Civic Type R GT
Price: £33,525
Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl petrol, 316bhp
0-60mph: 5.9 seconds
Test economy: 31.2mpg/6.9mpl
CO2: 178g/km
Annual road tax: £140

Honda offers the Civic Type R in two forms: standard and GT. Here we’re testing the £33,525 GT, which matches these rivals for kit but works out cheaper to buy. It’s our current favourite hot hatch, so it’s the model to beat.

Design & engineering

The Honda Civic Type R is already a legendary hot hatch. While the current 2.0-litre turbo isn’t an all-time great (especially next to the high-revving motors in previous Type Rs), it produces 316bhp and 400Nm of torque, so it’s the most powerful car here.

As with its rivals, the Honda features struts at the front and a multi-link rear, but unlike the A 35 and Golf R, the Honda is front-wheel drive only, and there’s no automatic transmission option.

The interior is plain, and features materials that, while hard-wearing, look and feel cheaper than those in the Mercedes and VW. The seven-inch touchscreen display is poor (see Infotainment, Page 44), so the Honda’s cabin is a weak point in this test.

However, the Civic’s bright red sports seats go some way to make up for that. The driving position is close to perfect, while the bolsters provide loads of support and they add a sense of occasion to the cabin that’s somewhat missing from its rivals’.

The Type R GT version has plenty of standard kit, including sat-nav, climate control, parking sensors and wireless smartphone charging. Also fitted is Apple CarPlay and Android Auto functionality, plus blind spot monitoring. Adaptive dampers and a limited-slip differential are standard, too, the former being optional on both rivals.

Driving

There are three driving modes in the Type R: Comfort, Sport and +R. The ultra-stiff +R mode is best saved for the track and is a little too firm for everyday use. Sport mode is still taut, but only the worst potholes will cause serious discomfort. Comfort will allow plenty of fun, too, although it softens the dampers for everyday driving and offers a surprising level of compliance.

The Honda’s composure is combined with a superb limited-slip differential, which improves traction as you come out of corners. It’s so effective at eliminating understeer that the car feels the most alert of this trio.

Better still, the Civic Type R’s steering is more communicative than its rivals’, with the whole driving experience much more involving. That’s helped by the near-perfect manual gearshift, good brake feel and the ferocious 2.0-litre engine. It has more of an appetite for revs than its opponents in this test, but does without the pops and bangs of the German cars. Some people will find these contrived; others will feel they add character.

However, even though the engine is the most powerful here and the Civic is the lightest car, it trailed its rivals in our acceleration tests. It was severely limited for off-the-line traction with only two powered wheels and no launch control. It would get closer to its competitors in the dry.

But it’s more fun to engage with the Type R and maximise its performance. As with the A 35 and Golf, you simply keep your foot to the floor and the electronics do all the work for you. Of course, it doesn’t have the four-wheel-drive security of its rivals, but the Honda feels more alive as a result.

Practicality

Even with its pumped-up looks, the Civic Type R is still very practical. It has the biggest boot of the three cars with the rear seats in place, at 420 litres, and there’s plenty of leg and headroom in the back.

Storage space around the gearlever is limited, but there’s a deep central bin with a single cup-holder. It’s just a pity this makes changing gear tricky if your bottle or cup is tall. This is partly due to the strange dash design. For example, the USB charging points are tucked away out of sight.

Ownership

The Civic comes with autonomous emergency braking, adaptive cruise control, lane departure warning and traffic sign recognition as standard. To get the same safety features in the other models here, you’ll have to pay extra for option packs, even though all three cars were awarded the maximum score of five stars out of five in their Euro NCAP crash tests.

Honda’s third-place finish in our Driver Power 2018 survey was strong, and shaded VW’s fifth spot. Both were well ahead of Mercedes in 20th.

It was a little different for the brands’ garage networks in our latest Driver Power dealer poll, with Honda retailers ranking second, while Volkswagen came 18th and Mercedes was in between, in 13th place out of 28 manufacturers.

Running costs

Our depreciation experts predict that you’ll lose £16,930 on the Civic over three years, because it holds on to 49.5 per cent of its original list price and is the cheapest car of the three in this test.

The Golf’s expected 47.1 per cent residual value means a loss of £18,467 over the same period, while the A 35 still sheds £18,288 with its anticipated 48.6 per cent figure.

Thanks to its long list of standard equipment, the Type R is by far the best-value model of our trio. It’s also the cheapest to insure: our example driver will pay an annual premium of £420 to cover the Civic, whereas it’s £725 and £695 for the A 35 and Golf R respectively.

Testers’ notes

“Lift off mid-corner and the Honda will start to tighten its line. Hit the throttle and the front wheels will pull you around the bend. It proves that FWD isn’t at odds with fun handling.”

Volkswagen Golf R

Model: Volkswagen Golf R DSG 5dr
Price: £34,910
Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl petrol, 306bhp
0-60mph: 4.3 seconds
Test economy: 29.3mpg/6.4mpl
CO2: 163g/km
Annual road tax: £140

The Volkswagen Golf R set the blueprint for modern hot hatch design with its potent engine, four-wheel-drive layout and practical body. Prices for WLTP-homologated models haven’t been released, but you can buy a brand-new 2018 car from stock for £34,910, which sits between its rivals here.

Design & engineering

Under the skin of the Golf is the VW Group’s MQB platform, which is the basis of many different models. It’s versatile, too, which allows the R variant to use four-wheel-drive. As with its competitors here, there are struts at the front and a multi-link rear axle, while the VW has a seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox like the A 35.

The 2.0-litre petrol engine produces 306bhp and the R’s four-wheel-drive system makes excellent use of the powerful motor, especially thanks to Volkswagen’s clever XDS electronic differential.

Opting for the £850 Dynamic Chassis Control adds adaptive suspension, which allows you to switch between Comfort, Normal and Sport modes. It’s pricey, but still worth having because it broadens the Golf’s already impressive everyday usability without compromising its handling.

The interior is another strong point in the VW, because build and material quality are excellent, and the neat design means the cabin feels spacious without losing any practicality. The eight-inch touchscreen infotainment system is excellent, too.

Standard equipment on the Golf R isn’t quite as generous as the Honda’s, but it’s on par with the A 35’s because you get 18-inch alloy wheels, sat-nav, a digital dash, smartphone connectivity, parking sensors and a reversing camera. There are also LED headlights and keyless operation to match both rivals’ specifications.

Driving

The Golf R’s potent engine, snappy DSG gearbox and four-wheel-drive traction work together very well, resulting in ballistic straight-line performance. It was the fastest car from 0-60mph (4.3 seconds) and took just 4.0 seconds to go from 30-70mph through the gears, which was 0.2 and 0.3 seconds faster than the Mercedes and Honda respectively.

It was also quickest in our fourth gear 30-50mph test, beating the A 35’s 3.3 seconds and the Type R’s 3.4 seconds with a time of three seconds flat. The Volkswagen was faster than its rivals in higher gears as well, asserting a straight-line advantage everywhere in the slippery conditions of our test.

Alongside its huge performance for a family hatch, the VW’s engine revs smoothly. The unit’s note is enhanced in the sportier modes by a few subtle pops from the exhaust, although it’s not as effervescent as the AMG in its Sport+ configuration.

The Golf R’s overall character is much like the engine: it’s incredibly well engineered and effective. For example, the steering is very precise and there’s lots of grip, which gives you confidence in corners, yet we prefer the more communicative Honda.

The A 35 is similarly well engineered, yet the Golf feels lighter on its feet, faster and more composed on a typical B-road than the AMG. Its four-wheel-drive system also feels more eager to send power to the rear wheels, so if you get on the power early in a corner you can feel the system working hard to tighten your line using the rear axle. The electronic differential also works very well, pulling the car around tight bends when you get on the power and maximising traction. That allows you to make the most of the Golf R’s explosive performance.

With the £850 DCC set-up fitted, the Golf R rides very well, especially at speed, and even mid-corner bumps don’t upset the car’s balance. The Volkswagen is also more comfortable than the Mercedes with the dampers in their softest mode.

Practicality

While the Golf’s 4x4 system is useful in bad weather, it eats into boot space. Capacity drops from 380 litres in a front-wheel-drive model to 343 litres in the R, which makes it the smallest in this test. However, this is still enough day to day; it’s just that family trips will stretch it further.

The Golf is also roomy for rear-seat passengers, with a wide door opening and lots of head and legroom in the back. There’s not quite as much in-cabin storage as its competitors’, but the dash design means it feels more spacious inside and there are still plenty of cubbies and storage bins.

Ownership

Volkswagen performed well in our Driver Power 2018 survey, finishing fifth out of 26 in the makers’ rankings.

The Golf also scored a maximum five stars in its 2012 Euro NCAP crash test, and standard safety equipment includes autonomous braking, parking sensors, lane-keep assist, traffic sign recognition and seven airbags. You’ll need to pay £1,225 for an option pack in order to get blind spot monitoring, but that price also includes auto high beams, rear cross-traffic alert and traffic jam assist.

Running costs

These three hot hatchbacks are quite closely matched for company car tax bills, but the Volkswagen is the cheapest. Higher-rate earners will pay £4,533 a year for the Golf R because it sits in the 33 per cent Benefit-in-Kind tax band. The Honda sits in the 36 per cent bracket and will cost £4,700 a year, and the Mercedes splits the two, at £4,761 (34 per cent).

While the Golf returned reasonable economy of 29.3mpg, considering its strong performance, that figure was the lowest of the three cars here.

Testers’ notes

“Unlike the A 35, the Golf R is also available with a manual gearbox. The six-speed set-up is surprisingly involving to use, and specifying it brings the price down as well.”

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First place: Honda Civic Type R

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The Type R nails the hot hatch brief. It buzzes with excitement when you’re pushing hard, but is a comfortable and practical family car when you’re not. Honda’s model is better value than both of its rivals, with loads of standard equipment, plus it’s also more fun to drive, whether you’re heading to the shops or on a track day. The infotainment could be better, but it’s still the best hot hatch on sale.

Second place: Volkswagen Golf R

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While it can’t match the Honda’s value or thrills, the VW Golf R is still an incredible hot hatch. With four-wheel drive, its performance is astonishing, and in a straight line it would leave many much more expensive cars in its wake. Yet it’s still engaging and is also as usable and practical as a Golf should be. It comes with plenty of kit and should be affordable to run.

Third place: Mercedes-AMG A 35

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The new A 35 is nearly as fast as the Golf R and easily has the classiest interior here. It’s also composed and boasts great traction, but the AMG doesn’t have the same level of finesse found in the Civic, in particular. The A 35 isn’t as good to drive as its competitors, while more kit is optional and it’ll be more expensive to buy and run. It’s also not quite as comfortable as either rival.

Also consider…
New: BMW M140i 5dr

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Price: £36,550
Engine: 3.0-litre 6cyl, 335bhp

The BMW M140i offers something different in this class, because it has a straight-six engine and rear-wheel drive. It’s great fun to drive and that smooth and powerful unit is one of the best at this price. There’s a new, front-wheel-drive 1 Series coming soon, so act fast.

Used: Audi RS 3 (2016)

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Price: £31,750
Engine: 2.5-litre 5cyl, 362bhp

Audi’s RS 3 is much more expensive to buy new than the A 35, but go for a late 2016 model and it’s within budget. We found one with 23,000 miles for less than £32,000. The RS 3 has an incredible engine, four-wheel-drive traction and a high-quality cabin.
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The news, which was widely expected, comes just a week after the automaker announced it will close its plant at Swindon in South West England in 2021.

“Given our efforts to optimize production allocation and production capacity on a global scale, we have concluded that we will produce the Civic for North America in North America,” Honda CEO Takahiro Hachigo told Automotive News (subscription required) in an interview published Monday.

The plant is where Honda sources the hatch versions of the Civic, including the Civic Type R, for sale in the U.S. The numbers aren't small as imports accounted for roughly a third of the 325,760 Civics sold here in 2018.

Automotive News reported that Honda will utilize plants in the United States and Canada to replace Swindon's capacity, meaning Civic Type Rs could potentially be built here beyond 2021. The 306-horsepower hot hatch was introduced for 2017 and given some minor updates for 2019.

Honda has operated the Swindon plant for three decades. The decision to close the plant and in the process cut 3,500 jobs is part of the automaker's strategy to increase utilization rates at its plants above 100 percent and boost spending on electrification. The automaker will also close a plant in Turkey responsible for Civic sedans in 2021.

“We have decided to carry out this production realignment in Europe in light of our efforts to optimize production allocation and production capacity globally, as well as accelerating electrification,” Hachigo said in his interview with Automotive News.
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That Mercedes-AMG A 35 looks sexy

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Not available in the USA

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That Mercedes-AMG A 35 looks sexy

*looks it up*
Not available in the USA

Are you sure? I think we in Canada are getting the 2020 version. I have to admit the A class has the best interior I have ever seen in this segment. It totally shames the interior of my M2. The quality, feel, and layout matches cars that cost considerably more. I'm not exactly sure how they pulled that off at this price point as it's that nice. I would consider the AMG A35 on interior alone but it doesn't hurt that it looks pretty sweet.
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Are you sure? I think we in Canada are getting the 2020 version. I have to admit the A class has the best interior I have ever seen in this segment. It totally shames the interior of my M2. The quality, feel, and layout matches cars that cost considerably more. I'm not exactly sure how they pulled that off at this price point as it's that nice. I would consider the AMG A35 on interior alone but it doesn't hurt that it looks pretty sweet.
With CAFE rules in the US, we tend to get things in crossover mode if we get them at all. A acutely turbocharged hatch counts against MB's corporate average fuel economy, while the same car on longer struts does not.
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:03 PM   #862
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With CAFE rules in the US, we tend to get things in crossover mode if we get them at all. A acutely turbocharged hatch counts against MB's corporate average fuel economy, while the same car on longer struts does not.
Could our government be more stupid? I think not.
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Are you sure? I think we in Canada are getting the 2020 version. I have to admit the A class has the best interior I have ever seen in this segment. It totally shames the interior of my M2. The quality, feel, and layout matches cars that cost considerably more. I'm not exactly sure how they pulled that off at this price point as it's that nice. I would consider the AMG A35 on interior alone but it doesn't hurt that it looks pretty sweet.
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Now Mercedes is launching the second generation of "the new A-class," which actually is the fourth generation overall. It is slightly bigger and even sportier than the outgoing model. And, for the first time, it will be offered in the United States as a four-door sedan


I mean I like sedans. Will not purchase anything other than a 4 door. But, why not bring that sexy hatch?
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