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Old 09-15-2018, 04:30 PM   #851
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Jesus, no he isn't. He's a petulant douche when things don't go his way and he takes no responsibility for when he ****s up. He's a child.
hahah they all are. Vettel is a really sore loser. Possibly the worst. But all of them are sore losers except the Finnish.

Between Vet, Alo and Ham I think l they all have their personality quirks.

Vet is an extremely sore loser. Also RB taught him to be self entitled.

Ham is super arrogant and self-praising. Or at least used to be, he's gotten a LOT better. Probably because he doesn't have to "prove" himself anymore.

Alo is just a purely self-centered person. Best combination of Schumacher, Prost and Senna I've ever seen. All the good and all the bad from the 3 of them.

Frankly, I think you have to have some sort of quirk to be great at F1 and anything. So that's why I don't beat on Vettel for his petulance but his talent is simply not worth 4x.
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Old 09-16-2018, 12:06 AM   #852
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Vettel, like Alonso, fails at Ferrari, these two will never win a championship.

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Ahahahhaahah! Lewis's smile right before passing Seb was priceless! #nodrspass
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:08 AM   #853
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hahah they all are. Vettel is a really sore loser. Possibly the worst.
Some team manager once said “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”
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Default Good coverage

I thought that the TV coverage was very good today.
They showed the interesting battles even if they weren’t at the sharp end of the field.

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Old 09-16-2018, 04:21 PM   #855
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Pos Driver Team
1 Hamilton Mercedes
2 Verstappen Red Bull
3 Vettel Ferrari
4 Bottas Mercedes
5 Raikkonen Ferrari
6 Ricciardo Red Bull
7 Alonso McLaren
8 Sainz Renault
9 Leclerc Sauber
10 Hulkenberg Renault
11 Ericsson Sauber
12 Vandoorne McLaren
13 Gasly Toro Rosso
14 Stroll Williams
15 Grosjean Haas
16 Perez Force India
17 Hartley Toro Rosso
18 Magnussen Haas
19 Sirotkin Williams
Ocon Force India 0 Accident

Ferrari really shooting themselves in the foot strategy wise the last two races.
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:25 AM   #856
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I know Perez brings a lot of sponsorship money to the team, but what is the net deposit in the bank account after totaling up the money spent wrecking cars? Maybe Force Stroll is better off with Ocon instead of Perez next year.
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:50 AM   #857
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Does anyone like Perez? Seems like all his teammates hate him.

I don't care for Vettel, but wtf is Ferrari even doing.


Another blah race... lapping the field is the best action Please fix these cars so they can actually race. Please.
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Does anyone like Perez? Seems like all his teammates hate him.

I don't care for Vettel, but wtf is Ferrari even doing.


Another blah race... lapping the field is the best action Please fix these cars so they can actually race. Please.
Commentary during the race seemed to suggest the team was not happy at Vettel always questioning their strategy calls. Yet given the strategy calls and results I do wonder if the criticism of Vettel is appropriate. You bring him in before everyone else, yet choose to put him on a tire that won't go the distance, forcing him to drive 2/3 of the race in tire conservation mode. Well done Ferrari, well done.


F1 needs new cars that aren't so aero dependent so they can follow and pass each other. F1 also needs better tracks. Street circuits with zero passing zones are boring as hell. Monaco can go. Singapore can go. Miami or NJ need to remain pipe dreams.
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F1 needs new cars that aren't so aero dependent so they can follow and pass each other. F1 also needs better tracks. Street circuits with zero passing zones are boring as hell. Monaco can go. Singapore can go. Miami or NJ need to remain pipe dreams.
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Indy is fun to watch at least... wish the engine change was coming sooner for both F1 and Indy.

Beginning in 2021, INDYCAR engines will produce more power due to a new configuration, the sanctioning body announced today.

The 2.4-liter, twin-turbocharged V-6 engines are projected to generate at least 100 more horsepower than the current 2.2-liter platform, with more than 900 horsepower achieved in the 2.4-liter formula
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:56 AM   #860
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Commentary during the race seemed to suggest the team was not happy at Vettel always questioning their strategy calls. Yet given the strategy calls and results I do wonder if the criticism of Vettel is appropriate. You bring him in before everyone else, yet choose to put him on a tire that won't go the distance, forcing him to drive 2/3 of the race in tire conservation mode. Well done Ferrari, well done.


F1 needs new cars that aren't so aero dependent so they can follow and pass each other. F1 also needs better tracks. Street circuits with zero passing zones are boring as hell. Monaco can go. Singapore can go. Miami or NJ need to remain pipe dreams.
To me, Ferrari often seem to be in some sort of desperation mode.
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Some team manager once said “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”
Yup this is why I don't hold some or their quirks against them... Ultra competitive people are like this. All of them.

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To me, Ferrari often seem to be in some sort of desperation mode.
Yes, this was a big blow. Monza was bad, really bad; but this must have felt like the nail in the coffin for them.

All made worse by the fact they have the best, or if not the best at least definitely a competitive car....... that's gotta hurt.
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Does anyone like Perez? Seems like all his teammates hate him.
The guy is a f-ing moron. somehow is relevant in F1 because he seemed to skate by on making tyres last longer than everyone else - but over time seems to just crash into everyone.

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Commentary during the race seemed to suggest the team was not happy at Vettel always questioning their strategy calls. Yet given the strategy calls and results I do wonder if the criticism of Vettel is appropriate. You bring him in before everyone else, yet choose to put him on a tire that won't go the distance, forcing him to drive 2/3 of the race in tire conservation mode. Well done Ferrari, well done.


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Yes, this was a big blow. Monza was bad, really bad; but this must have felt like the nail in the coffin for them.

All made worse by the fact they have the best, or if not the best at least definitely a competitive car....... that's gotta hurt.
because Italy..

Their lack of discipline is going to do them in. I wonder how much Marchionne's death has to do with their form falling apart.

All in all piss poor performance by them.
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I want to know more about WTF happened to Bottas, what a lackluster performance. I expected him to pressure Vettel who's tires should have been much worse at the end, instead he couldn't even get close enough to Hulk to trigger blue flags. He has really faded this year as the season unfolds, and not all of it is due to strategies favoring Hami.
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I want to know more about WTF happened to Bottas, what a lackluster performance. I expected him to pressure Vettel who's tires should have been much worse at the end, instead he couldn't even get close enough to Hulk to trigger blue flags. He has really faded this year as the season unfolds, and not all of it is due to strategies favoring Hami.
He did as he was told in Monza to help Lewis win. I'm guessing this weekend he was told to hold up Kimi in hopes that Ricciardo would catch and pass him and knock a few more constructors points out of Ferrari's hands. Doesn't explain his slower, poorer qualifying, but might explain the slow race pace.

As for people not challenging...when Sauber brought Leclerc in and put him on hypers for the last 20 laps I thought the light fuel load would allow him to chase down Sainz for 8th. He somehow lost ground and appeared to be on cruise control in 9th.
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Forza McLaren! The team had a good strategy and it played out nicely. Alonso did a great job in this race. Stoffel didn't do too bad either; coming from P18 to P12 is no easy task. Alonso had the fastest lap at one point in the race, but dropped down to the fourth fastest lap by the end of the race. Hopefully next year's car will be better with all the knowledge they have gained from this year's car.

P.S. If you're wondering, K-Mag had the fastest lap of this race.
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P.S. If you're wondering, K-Mag had the fastest lap of this race.
I would say any car in the field (except Williams) could turn fastest lap, it's not difficult to beat the guys running on cruise control with harder tires when you come in towards the end of the race and put on mega hyper soft tires and throw down a quali lap. Saturday is the day for that.
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I want to know more about WTF happened to Bottas, what a lackluster performance. I expected him to pressure Vettel who's tires should have been much worse at the end, instead he couldn't even get close enough to Hulk to trigger blue flags. He has really faded this year as the season unfolds, and not all of it is due to strategies favoring Hami.
he's a lackluster driver
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Some drivers are not very good at driver management.
Vettel beaching his car at Germany cost him 25pts ( 33pts Hami would've came in second)
France & Italy cost him about 8 pts total if he just held on to 3rd place instead of hitting the Mercedes.
Right now he would've been tied with Hami. in points.
Yeah Ferrari made some head scratching moves.
Why not Vettel qualifing last instead of Kimi ?
Why try to get pole in Sing. in traffic? wasn't Vettel 0.9 sec up in the second sector when he had to weave through traffic in the third sector?
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I would say any car in the field (except Williams) could turn fastest lap, it's not difficult to beat the guys running on cruise control with harder tires when you come in towards the end of the race and put on mega hyper soft tires and throw down a quali lap. Saturday is the day for that.
No, he was still 5 seconds short of a quali lap. I get that they run light fuel, fresh tires, and crank up the engine output for quali, but I wish they left DRS disabled so the times were even remotely close to what someone could actually do toward the end of a race on fresh tires.

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Some drivers are not very good at driver management.
Vettel beaching his car at Germany cost him 25pts ( 33pts Hami would've came in second)
France & Italy cost him about 8 pts total if he just held on to 3rd place instead of hitting the Mercedes.
Right now he would've been tied with Hami. in points.
Yeah Ferrari made some head scratching moves.
Why not Vettel qualifing last instead of Kimi ?
Why try to get pole in Sing. in traffic? wasn't Vettel 0.9 sec up in the second sector when he had to weave through traffic in the third sector?
I thought Vettel's traffic issue was in Q2 where he had to weave through half a dozen cars, and Grosjean who was in the middle of the track.
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Yes you're right that was Q2.
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It was Kimi that supposedly hit traffic on his last Q3 outlap and didn't get enough heat in his tires.
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In my opinion, what's happening is:

Vettel needs a car that's much faster/superior than his competitors' to win. This allows some great Q's where he can land himself on pole and take off. Plus in the event he doesnt, the car will still allow a fumble here and there, a mistake, a DNF, and still have some cushion to take it.

Lewis doesn't.

So Ferrari will always appear to be 'struggling', 'catching up', 'managing the strategy' etc etc and all of this appears to have a bigger influence on the results. I dont see it that way.... Mercedes have been similar all season long as well. They haven't been perfect; and neither has Lewis. He's had a few off races, a few close strategy calls/mistakes, whatever. But he's been better... way better than Vettel, and he can be better with a lot less "apparent effort", because he is just better.

In my opinion... that's it. That's all.
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In my opinion, what's happening is:

Vettel needs a car that's much faster/superior than his competitors' to win. This allows some great Q's where he can land himself on pole and take off. Plus in the event he doesnt, the car will still allow a fumble here and there, a mistake, a DNF, and still have some cushion to take it.

Lewis doesn't.

So Ferrari will always appear to be 'struggling', 'catching up', 'managing the strategy' etc etc and all of this appears to have a bigger influence on the results. I dont see it that way.... Mercedes have been similar all season long as well. They haven't been perfect; and neither has Lewis. He's had a few off races, a few close strategy calls/mistakes, whatever. But he's been better... way better than Vettel, and he can be better with a lot less "apparent effort", because he is just better.

In my opinion... that's it. That's all.

Agreed. Seems as if Ferrari have to take greater risks. Armchair racing here, but perhaps a driver like Dani Ric would have Ferrari in the lead?
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