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Old 06-11-2013, 10:37 AM   #3301
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:57 AM   #3302
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:30 PM   #3303
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Lets do 340 and call it a day
I'd be surprised if the CVT can hold up to even a minor stage 1 tune.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:44 PM   #3304
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I'd be surprised if the CVT can hold up to even a minor stage 1 tune.
How do you know? engineer?
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:24 PM   #3305
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:04 PM   #3306
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:18 PM   #3307
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:05 AM   #3308
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Wow, those are awesome! I wish they covered the carpet on the sill... my kids always get that part very dirty. Still, these provide amazing-looking coverage. What a good investment.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:03 AM   #3309
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I'd be surprised if the CVT can hold up to even a minor stage 1 tune.
I'm with you. There are many watching to see how this plays out.

Peace,

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Old 06-13-2013, 11:05 AM   #3310
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I don't even want a Forester STI. I just want an XT with the damned 6 speed transmission and VCD. There wouldn't be a disruption in parts distribution, because there wouldn't be that many new parts. Worried about the cars sitting on the lot? Don't put them on the lot. I'll order mine, and so would 90% of the people who would be interested in one of these things.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:20 AM   #3311
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How do you know? engineer?
You don't need to be an engineer to know that CVT transmissions have a very limited torque capacity.

The CVT for the forester is being marketed as a "high torque" CVT. If Most CVT's can't handle the modest torque of your factory power level XT and a "high torque" variant had to be designed to accommodate the factory torque levels, I'd suspect it won't be capable of handling significantly higher levels of torque that come with a tune.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:47 AM   #3312
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The Japan CVT handles 300HP from the factory. They CAN handle HP/Torque. The question is how much can the USDM FXT's CVT handle?

I'll be the first in line for COBB's AP later this year to find out.

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Old 06-13-2013, 12:45 PM   #3313
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The Japan CVT handles 300HP from the factory. They CAN handle HP/Torque. The question is how much can the USDM FXT's CVT handle?

I'll be the first in line for COBB's AP later this year to find out.
Yup it has been discussed at length in other forums.

Hasn't there been any tuning info from Japan yet?

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Old 06-13-2013, 07:39 PM   #3314
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You don't need to be an engineer to know that CVT transmissions have a very limited torque capacity.

The CVT for the forester is being marketed as a "high torque" CVT. If Most CVT's can't handle the modest torque of your factory power level XT and a "high torque" variant had to be designed to accommodate the factory torque levels, I'd suspect it won't be capable of handling significantly higher levels of torque that come with a tune.
The 1st gen CVT was good for 250hp. They never told us how much torque it could hold. I would think the 2nd gen CVT is good for the same amount; just in a smaller, lighter package. Since it's on a 173HP engine, I would think Subaru put the HTCVT's limit to around 370ish. Pure guess and I am still trying to find out.

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The Japan CVT handles 300HP from the factory. They CAN handle HP/Torque. The question is how much can the USDM FXT's CVT handle?

I'll be the first in line for COBB's AP later this year to find out.

I doubt there is any physical difference in the 2 transmissions. During training, all of the schematics they showed us were in Japanese leading me to think they are the same with just some computer differences.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:28 PM   #3315
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Old 06-14-2013, 07:43 AM   #3316
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Ordered 29 April 13, arrived 12 Jun 13, delivered 13 Jun 13! Was a surprise to the wife, she loves it!
Nice! Congrats, bro. I ordered mine on May 25th so I guess I can expect delivery around early July? can't wait. Nice to see orders being delivered around the 6 week mark rather than longer
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:48 PM   #3317
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I already said it in AKIC, but congrats again! You'll have to take me for a ride by summer's end, and you need to check out the BRZ!
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:31 PM   #3318
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:50 PM   #3319
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You don't need to be an engineer to know that CVT transmissions have a very limited torque capacity.

The CVT for the forester is being marketed as a "high torque" CVT. If Most CVT's can't handle the modest torque of your factory power level XT and a "high torque" variant had to be designed to accommodate the factory torque levels, I'd suspect it won't be capable of handling significantly higher levels of torque that come with a tune.
IMO, the key here is to tune smartly.
Instead of a large increase of peak boost in the low to mid RPM range (since it's already pretty healthy from the factory), it's better to try and hold the same boost level longer/later in the top RPM range.
This way you don't increase peak torque figures much but you significantly increase peak power figures.
FXT peak torque (258 ft.lb) goes from 2K to 4.8K. This most likely means that boost starts to taper down after 4.8K. So, we end up with 250HP at 5300 RPM.
If we increase peak boost by a small amount to obtain 290 ft.lb instead of 258 ft.lb and if we maintain the same amount of boost all the way to 5500 RPM instead of tapering down from 4800RPM, then we obtain 303HP at 5500 RPM.
That's 50 more HP at the crank without too much stress on the tranny. How is that for stage 1?
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:08 PM   #3320
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How is that for stage 1?
I'm onboard.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:24 PM   #3321
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I'm onboard.
Cobb and others should be able to achieve this as soon as they figure out how the ECU works (if they haven't done so already).
Then, they'll also have to figure out the amount of headroom in the factory DI fuel system.
Then there's the stock turbo itself; how much can we squeeze out of it before turning it into a flame thrower?
I'm looking forward to their findings .
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:38 PM   #3322
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You don't need to be an engineer to know that CVT transmissions have a very limited torque capacity.

The CVT for the forester is being marketed as a "high torque" CVT. If Most CVT's can't handle the modest torque of your factory power level XT and a "high torque" variant had to be designed to accommodate the factory torque levels, I'd suspect it won't be capable of handling significantly higher levels of torque that come with a tune.
So, you don't think it is possible to develop a high torque CVT.

Have you done any analysis to see how much torque the CVT can with stand?
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:33 PM   #3324
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So, you don't think it is possible to develop a high torque CVT.

Have you done any analysis to see how much torque the CVT can with stand?
They HAVE developed a "high torque" CVT, or at least that's how they are marketing it. The question is how high is "high". No one has put one in a high horsepower/torque vehicle yet to my knowledge. Forester is the highest I've seen one implemented.

What analysis would you propose I perform?

My statement was that I would be surprised to see it handle torque levels. Surprise would be as a result of me never having seen a CVT handle high torque levels.

It's as simple and cut and dry as that.

Quit making it into something it's not.
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:00 PM   #3325
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They HAVE developed a "high torque" CVT, or at least that's how they are marketing it. The question is how high is "high". No one has put one in a high horsepower/torque vehicle yet to my knowledge. Forester is the highest I've seen one implemented.

What analysis would you propose I perform?

My statement was that I would be surprised to see it handle torque levels. Surprise would be as a result of me never having seen a CVT handle high torque levels.

It's as simple and cut and dry as that.

Quit making it into something it's not.
The high torque CVT is the transmission for the JDM Legacy DIT which makes 296 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque. It's at least good for STI power levels.
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