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04-12-2016, 12:20 PM | #301 |
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I suppose they should design it to do neither of those because ???. The stated goal of the company is to advance the transition to electric transport. Sounds like they're carrying that out effectively.
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04-12-2016, 01:00 PM | #302 | |
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And I have always felt the Model S competes with the 5 series more in terms of size, but I have to research that for facts. IF that is the case, the 5er almost doubles the model S sales. As for the deposits... Well we will see how many of those 325000 people who put deposits down on a 3 want to wait 2-3 years for a car? I have ridden in an S and I still do not want one. (rode to lunch) The biggest turn off was the flat screen glued to the dash. I just do not like it. I get it you are heavily invested in them. Good for you. I hope you do well. But there is no compelling reason to get a 3 over any other mid sized sedan with an actual trunk. Last edited by SCRAPPYDO; 04-12-2016 at 01:10 PM. |
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04-12-2016, 01:03 PM | #303 | |
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I'm not a hater of EV's and interested to see how the segment evolves and how a relatively new company can compete and how the rest of the industry responds. One thing that Americans like is variety even if they are following the herd. I have a deposit for a Model 3 but it is a "why not" decision since it is refundable and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It will be a WANT buying decision and have time to see what end product will actually be. I still enjoy manual transmission cars even in traffic and DD so this is a factor for me. A better decision would be not to have a $35-40k loan and payments. I don't purchase cars in this price range even if I can afford it. Last edited by subyski; 04-12-2016 at 01:08 PM. |
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04-12-2016, 01:39 PM | #304 | |
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04-12-2016, 01:56 PM | #305 | |
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The Tesla is popular because it doesn't look my Leaf. It looks like a normal automobile. Something Nissan and Chevy haven't figured out yet. Why make it look like a geekazoid car? Just make it look normal. Teslas are also pretty quick/fast for a DD. And the 85/90D is stupid fast. Decreased maintenance compared to ICE (significant) also. So there are a number of factors why people are so interested. The Teslas have been very expensive for the common working person. This new one is affordable for many, and a significant decrease in price compared to the S so it's not a big surprise that there were so many deposits. The only people beotching about "herd" and such statements are people that are antis. Let them whine like little girls at a sweet sixteen party. They are just being children. I drive an EV so I actually have experience unlike the peanut picking gallery. The decreased maintenance is awesome. Fueling at home is awesome. The lower run cost is awesome. I power my DD for free and the only maintenance I've done is rotate the tires. I don't expect any EV to be a track car, or a weekend sportscar. It's a DD, and a fantastic one even if mine looks like a big bag of dicks. |
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04-12-2016, 08:16 PM | #306 |
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Got your attention? Cleaned up. And FYI Scrappy, the 3 has two trunks. Figure that into your numbers |
04-13-2016, 06:34 AM | #307 |
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If you don't like it move on. Record sells on the first for any product and no one wants it .... Looks amazing and works for the majority of the population, USA made, whats not to like...
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04-13-2016, 10:33 AM | #308 |
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The ones that say "Don't like it, not interested" then they come into the thread every day of the week.
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04-13-2016, 10:33 AM | #309 |
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Sorry, I'm not an anti EV. I like the idea and determining if it is something I want. I appreciate your EV experience and you had me realize different aspects I didn't understand previously. When I mention 'herd' in my statement, what I meant is when people gravitate to a particular segment they still want variety and some will even choose a product that is not the popular choice (I.e the 7+ different midsize sedans even if Camry and Accord dominate the segment). So this is an opportunity for other manufacturers to respond and create variety that Americans still want. For me a model 3 will probably be a good DD but still need a larger ICE vehicle as I go places at longer distances that don't have or very few charging stations, heck even not many gas stations. I probably wouldn't want to wait long in between to get a full charge.
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04-13-2016, 01:11 PM | #310 | |
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How fast and how expensive do you guys think the P series is going to be? I am for sure getting dual motors, air suspension and autopilot for my car. |
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04-13-2016, 02:52 PM | #311 | |
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As far as how fast, well they/he has stated less than 6 seconds to 60. That's a base. I don't think it far fetched to believe less than 5 seconds on a dual motor, maybe even 4 on the high end. I doubt they'll offer Model S type performance with it. They have to separate the two or they'll cannibalize their own sales. I think a fully optioned 3 is going to be 5-10k under a base S. I read they are increasing the price of the S, and this is probably why. |
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04-13-2016, 02:54 PM | #312 |
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That's a hard one to guess. Based on the S configuration there is a $33k price adder going from base to P. For the P3, maybe ~$25k adder which would slot it just under the M3.
For a dual motor and auto pilot on the S, this adds $7500, so maybe a little less on the 3. I think the suspension will be similar with a $2500 option. Last edited by subyski; 04-13-2016 at 03:08 PM. |
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Going from 1 motor to 2 motor only shaves 0.3 seconds on the S per Tesla so I would expect maybe mid to low 5's on the 3 AWD with base battery pack.
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04-13-2016, 04:31 PM | #314 | |
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I'm talking a P model dual motor, higher trimmed option. On the S if you want the more performance optioned models, they are dual motor versions, which was my point. |
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04-13-2016, 04:46 PM | #315 |
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Sorry I misinterpreted you comment dude. How I interpreted your comment on speed was going from base RWD to base dual motor to P (since they are dual motor standard). Since you meant P/D dual motor only, then low 4's are possible with an upgraded pack.
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All I want is Autopilot and the full glass roof. Small battery and rwd will be perfectly sufficient.
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04-13-2016, 08:08 PM | #317 |
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How much more electrons can I suck in with a CAI?
Will it void my warranty? How many dead bodies can you fit in the frunk? Seriously though, with prices on Leafs being what they are, I am starting to wonder if we will see people tinkering with them for more power / range etc.... |
04-13-2016, 10:25 PM | #318 |
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As a 2 car family with an Expedition EL and a garage, I can't wait to have a Bolt or Model 3 as our 2nd car. It will be nice to just plug-in when I get home and never worry about stopping for gas or oil changes.
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04-14-2016, 05:20 PM | #319 | |
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04-21-2016, 01:56 PM | #320 |
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I'd be semi interested if they'd go hybrid. I've been stranded by a pure EV, really sucks balls to wait for 2.5 hrs for a tow at midnight or to not be able to find a charge station when he eventually picks you finally getting home at 4 am after searching for a station and getting enough charge to limp home.
That being said the Sonata Hybrid has been my favorite electrified vehicle tested to date. has a sport mode, corners flat, and puts a smile on my face. |
04-21-2016, 02:47 PM | #321 | |
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That ship has sailed. Tesla will NEVER build a hybrid.
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Before my Tesla was delivered I created an "emergency kit" that would basically allow me to plug any type of 120 or 240V outlet (there are dozens), even if they were far away. Today, I fully expect I will NEVER use that kit. Even I was caught off-guard by the rate of supercharger, HPWC, and public charger deployments. It's just _everywhere_. The only way to run out of charge will be to either push your luck, or intentionally, like a certain guy name John Broder that drove in circles around a supercharger trying to kill his battery to prove a point, or Top Gear, who never ran out of battery but just pretended they did. |
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04-21-2016, 03:29 PM | #322 | |
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Hard to plug into an outlet on an I-5 exit ramp. I don't know how prevalent EVs are out where you live, here they are every where, charging stations are not. Seattle is the smug capitol of the US after all, finding an empty charge station while out and about here is damn near impossible. Luckily the wife and I are auto journalists, and as such the manufacturer picked up the towing charges for us, if not that little adventure would have cost about 700$. |
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04-21-2016, 03:46 PM | #323 | |
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chargepoint.com www.teslamotors.com/destination-charging I just counted 13 L2 or DC charging stations near I5 from south to north of seattle, not including all the chargers off the path. I don't have an exact count, but if I eyeball it, looks like 30-40. Supercharger install is planned just north of downtown by end of 2016, looks like too. |
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Super car acceleration, sherman tank weight, distracted driver. FML |
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