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Old 03-24-2017, 12:58 AM   #28951
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I'm running all infinity speakers and sub. it's what i've done in all my cars also
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Old 03-24-2017, 01:06 AM   #28952
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The last time I heard RF was from some kid who just "modded" his civic with a new stereo system at a cars and coffee meet..

Check out JL.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:30 AM   #28953
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Don't expect your experience with RF amps to carry over to a completely different product line.

If you already have an amplifier, why buy an active sub?

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Old 03-24-2017, 12:00 PM   #28954
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omfg Keen really?

It's a 4 channel 300w amp for my speakers. It's not a mono block for a sub...

Not sure why you guys are all ****ting on RF, they have good reviews, and they're the same tier as Infinity.

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Old 03-24-2017, 12:17 PM   #28955
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Getting seriously tired of my wimpy little 75w kenwood under seat sub, enough that I no longer care about taking up some trunk space.

Anyone have anything to say about this this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER ?
Get a compact mono block, alpine makes a good one. Stash that under your seat and then all you have to run is speaker wires back to a decent sub in a truck wedge like that rockford is in, install a toggle switch on the remote lead and all you have to do is flick the switch and pull the sub if you need room.
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Old 03-24-2017, 01:15 PM   #28956
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Not sure why you guys are all ****ting on RF, they have good reviews,
So does McDonalds. Go to an audio shop and listen for yourself. Bring a CD/thumbdrive of real music, not a "bass test" track.

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and they're the same tier as Infinity.
Same tier as Sony and MTX, a half step above Pyle and Bazooka.

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It's a 4 channel 300w amp for my speakers. It's not a mono block for a sub...
I power my sub with a 4 channel amp, works great.
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Old 03-24-2017, 01:34 PM   #28957
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I've never heard an RF sub I liked. A low frequency cutoff of 35Hz doesn't do it for me.

Having run several Infinity 10" subs in my vehicles over the years, I'd sooner take a chance on this:

https://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Bass.../dp/B000063TJY
after I gave up on big subs 13 years ago, i bought a basslink and have been rocking that now for what, 11-12 years? my impreza is the 2nd vehicle i have had it in.
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Old 03-24-2017, 01:35 PM   #28958
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omfg Keen really?

It's a 4 channel 300w amp for my speakers. It's not a mono block for a sub...

Not sure why you guys are all ****ting on RF, they have good reviews, and they're the same tier as Infinity.
Go over to SMD.com as the audio advice I've seen given out on this forum is downright wrong and disturbing. SMD guys will set you straight and probably try to get you wall your car and drop in 2-4 18" Ascendant audio SMDv2's.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:21 PM   #28959
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Go over to SMD.com as the audio advice I've seen given out on this forum is downright wrong and disturbing. SMD guys will set you straight and probably try to get you wall your car and drop in 2-4 18" Ascendant audio SMDv2's.
How is that any less disturbing?

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after I gave up on big subs 13 years ago, i bought a basslink and have been rocking that now for what, 11-12 years? my impreza is the 2nd vehicle i have had it in.
Would you buy it again? I like most passive radiator setups I've listened to. Sealed 10s give up a lot of low end output.

I also gave up on large/multiple sub setups around the same time. A 10 in the right ported box can cover the deepest bass notes at sane volume levels with modest power. 8" subs don't have the low end or the efficiency, even if they can handle the same power and 12s typically need a lot more box volume to sound as good.

The yellow line is the Infinity 10 in my car:

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Old 03-24-2017, 02:36 PM   #28960
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How is that any less disturbing?

Would you buy it again? I like most passive radiator setups I've listened to. Sealed 10s give up a lot of low end output.

I also gave up on large/multiple sub setups around the same time. A 10 in the right ported box can cover the deepest bass notes at sane volume levels with modest power. 8" subs don't have the low end or the efficiency, even if they can handle the same power and 12s typically need a lot more box volume to sound as good.

The yellow line is the Infinity 10 in my car:

I think it's a joke. No one is going to convince me to click a link that says SMD. If you're still not getting it, hit up urban dictionary.

The only reason I was going with the powered setup was money. A 10 inch sub + box + amp is gonna cost over $200 easily, as far as I can tell.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:04 PM   #28961
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I mean, the Rockford will be an improvement no question about it. The Infinity Bass link is also a nice unit but is larger than the pictures lead it to be. If the rockford fits your budget an space requirements then go for it. I don't think you will be disappointed. And if you decide you want more down the road you can just get another lol.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:13 PM   #28962
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Not sure why you guys are all ****ting on RF, they have good reviews, and they're the same tier as Infinity.
Cause every god damn millennial/highschool kid who had their parents buy the god damn car, buys a ****ing RF and raves how ****ing good it is because it's their first god damn sub or don't give a **** about what good clean bass is.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:20 PM   #28963
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Cause every god damn millennial/highschool kid who had their parents buy the god damn car, buys a ****ing RF and raves how ****ing good it is because it's their first god damn sub or don't give a **** about what good clean bass is.
Right, and it goes back as far as gen X kids. RF is the Natty Light of subwoofers, understandable when you're 19.

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Old 03-24-2017, 03:30 PM   #28964
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drpoop, download a free copy of WinISD if you haven't already. You'll be able to take T/S (Thiele-Small) parameters published by sub manufacturers, combined with box parameters to generate plots like the one I posted above.

You'll see the difference between a good sub and a mediocre one, how much box parameters affect performance and why 90% of off the shelf boxes are trash.

For example, in the plot I posted, the green line is 2 subs with twice the total power behind them in a sealed box and they're outperformed by my single 10 below 45Hz. Every 3 lines (dB) is a doubling or halving of loudness. Wattage isn't everything.

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Old 03-24-2017, 03:37 PM   #28965
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OK you guys realize this is an $18,000 car with zero noise insulation that I drive on roads chipped by ****wits who drive 8 months of the year with studded tires even though it's only below freezing like 5 days of the year?

It's not a Rolls. Unless you sit in your car in quiet places a lot, there's not much of a difference between a $100 sub setup and a $500 setup.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:40 PM   #28966
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It's not a Rolls. Unless you sit in your car in quiet places a lot, there's not much of a difference between a $100 sub setup and a $500 setup.
There is a huge difference between a good setup and a bad setup. The good one isn't always more expensive.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:44 PM   #28967
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Right, and it goes back as far as gen X kids. RF is the Natty Light of subwoofers, understandable when you're 19.
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You'll see the difference between a good sub and a mediocre one, how much box parameters affect performance and why 90% of off the shelf boxes are trash.
Specs aren't everything. And in most cases prebuild subs are trash. Like mentioned, there is a difference between a good sub and bad one.

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OK you guys realize this is an $18,000 car with zero noise insulation that I drive on roads chipped by ****wits who drive 8 months of the year with studded tires even though it's only below freezing like 5 days of the year?

It's not a Rolls. Unless you sit in your car in quiet places a lot, there's not much of a difference between a $100 sub setup and a $500 setup.
Maybe if you're into the sub hitting hard, rattling your mirrors, door panels, etc to look cool, and not giving a crap about how good the hit is, then yes, the $100 sub setup from walmart will suffice. But sound insulation doesn't change how good the sub will hit. Price isn't everything in this case. There are some good $200 subs that hit marginally better than some $300 subs.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:51 PM   #28968
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OK so you guys expect me to take advice from people who think Infinity is high quality sound, and say that I must know nothing? Despite having Focal speakers, which, although I bought one of their lower tier setups, they are still king or nearly so of car audio.

The brand has little to nothing to do with how tight the bass is. If you get a 15 inch sub with a ported enclosure, it's going to sound like **** unless you only listen to NWA. If you buy a 10 inch sub and throw it in a compact sealed box, you'd have to buy a really, really terrible quality amp and speaker to have muddy sounding bass.

If one of you wants to show me an entire setup you think is better for under $200 including a $30 wiring kit (because I don't buy aluminum wire crap), go right ahead. I'll be waiting.
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Specs aren't everything. And in most cases prebuild subs are trash. Like mentioned, there is a difference between a good sub and bad one.
T/S parameters aren't marketing fluff. They're precise electrical and mechanical measurements that very accurately predict a box+sub combination's performance. Reputable brands will publish these.

Running the numbers is free. Buying a box and sub, then finding out they sound bad together is expensive.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:56 PM   #28970
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There is a huge difference between a good setup and a bad setup. The good one isn't always more expensive.
Again, if your car is lined with 4 inches of the most expensive noise insulation you could find, and you only listen to music with the engine off, in an anechoic chamber, sure there'll be a huge difference.

You add rough roads, highway speeds, a cheap ass aging car, the difference becomes negligible.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:02 PM   #28971
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OK so you guys expect me to take advice from people who think Infinity is high quality sound, and say that I must know nothing? Despite having Focal speakers, which, although I bought one of their lower tier setups, they are still king or nearly so of car audio.

The brand has little to nothing to do with how tight the bass is. If you get a 15 inch sub with a ported enclosure, it's going to sound like **** unless you only listen to NWA. If you buy a 10 inch sub and throw it in a compact sealed box, you'd have to buy a really, really terrible quality amp and speaker to have muddy sounding bass.

If one of you wants to show me an entire setup you think is better for under $200 including a $30 wiring kit (because I don't buy aluminum wire crap), go right ahead. I'll be waiting.
I don't think Infinity's are high quality. Keen does. I think JL, and some Alpine models are good.

To some extent, brand does. The build also affects how the hit is going to be. RF is one of those cheapo, millennial aimed brands.

Sub: Alpine SWS-12D4
Amp: Pioneer GM-A3702
Box: Sound Ordnance Bass Bunker

Alittle over $200, but there you go.
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If you buy a 10 inch sub and throw it in a compact sealed box, you'd have to buy a really, really terrible quality amp and speaker to have muddy sounding bass.
If the box is too small, you'll probably have a nasty ring at 50-60hz and almost no low end. Run WinISD and you'll find this out.
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T/S parameters aren't marketing fluff. They're precise electrical and mechanical measurements that very accurately predict a box+sub combination's performance. Reputable brands will publish these.

Running the numbers is free. Buying a box and sub, then finding out they sound bad together is expensive.
Yes, I definitely agree. But even if you go online, read about having X specs at Y~Z are good, and then just go out and buy a sub specifically because a sub has X specs at Y~Z, you may have a good sub. You may have a bad sub.
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I don't think Infinity's are high quality. Keen does. I think JL, and some Alpine models are good.

To some extent, brand does. The build also affects how the hit is going to be. RF is one of those cheapo, millennial aimed brands.

Sub: Alpine SWS-12D4
Amp: Pioneer GM-A3702
Box: Sound Ordnance Bass Bunker

Alittle over $200, but there you go.
So is kicker but half the people who own WRXs have them and say they sound good.
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Sub: Alpine SWS-12D4
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Alittle over $200, but there you go.
If your 4ch amp bridges and has a crossover, and your new box is fairly efficient, you may not need another amp.
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