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Old 09-05-2012, 10:12 PM   #1
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Default What to looking for in used 257 and 6spd

I'll be heading a few hours away to check out and possibly purchase a full sti swap for my 25rs. Engine and trans are already removed from the car. Am told they are from an 05 sti and had 70k miles, and 3rd gear had a slight grind.

What should I look for with the engine already removed? Is there a decent way to still do a compression test? A grind in 3rd should be just a synchro, correct?

I'm getting the entire long block, acc, turbo and all, 6spd trans with all four axles, drive shaft, rear diff, ecu, wiring, and pedals. No hubs or brakes. Will be paying $4500 for everything mentioned, which seems like a killer deal to me.

Any maintenance I should do while the engine is pulled before I install in the rs?
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:49 PM   #2
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If 3rd gear is truly grinding, dude was probably smashing on it from second and bouncing off the rev limiter like crazy. I wouldn't be surprise the motor AND tranny had "hidden" issues just waiting to assxplode once you have everything installed. Might have low compression and not show any signs "just" yet either. I mean just think of it, why so dirt cheap if everything is fine minus 3rd gear grind? Is there a reason why this guy that's selling you this setup isn't on these sites and reputable? Gotta wonder friend.

With that said, I'm actually looking for a back up motor. I might pick up a built EJ257 with a blown ring from this guy locally near me. At least he's been on the forums awhile and there's no BS.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:54 PM   #3
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The story I've gotten from him, which I do not currently have any reason not to believe, is it was his girlfriends car. He had the grind checked out to only need a synchro replaced. He's parting it out as it was hit on the passenger side. All stock minus exhaust.

I realize it's a pretty low price, which is why I'm hoping for a little advice what to look for when checking it out.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:59 PM   #4
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I mean obviously no one will know the extent of damage, ESPECIALLY from a accident. Just think of it this way, engine is running...then impact. Balancing and everything goes whack, bend valves, etc etc etc. Whether you believe him or not is irrelevant of what your paying for. In the end you get bite in the ass for buying a screwed up motor which would cost you more in repairs than its worth. It's a gamble, unless known specifically like I said. Anyway, good luck. Just trying to watch out for members.

PS. You wont be able to figure out nothing just by looking at it. It has to be torn down in pieces.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:13 AM   #5
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easy.


Did the timing belt break???????????????????????????????///


If it did not... you're fine. Also.... yes i agree, you need a syncro... get it changed before you put the tranny in.


That whole setup is a DEAL...... so either take someone who knows about subies with you or make sure you know your stuff.


That would be a fantastic swap.



ps. Make sure you get the key/ecu/immobilizer... or else it won't start. You can usually tell if the belt broke if the timing belt cover is broken. (they replaced the broken pieces.) Mine was hit at about oooh i would say 20mph.... even pushed back the driverside firewall.... engine = cherry. Swapped TWICE!!! These Ej257's are strong. You're going to need hubs... i dont' think those axles are plug and play.... etc. (but i hope you know that)


p.s.s. get the fuel pump.


p.s.s.s. maintence = check the "oil separator" in the rear of the engine... they leak... mine was fine, but after it was hit, it leaked. MIGHT wanna change the clutch too.. while it's out......and...check the turbo for slack.. it should spin like a fine wine with just your fingers... if you feel play... you need a new turbo. Oh **** almost forgot, grab the stock intake/maf... AND BOOST CONTROL SOLENOID.


shoot me a PM if you need anything else.... i've done this enough times.... i forget things sometimes.

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Old 09-06-2012, 03:14 AM   #6
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I mean obviously no one will know the extent of damage, ESPECIALLY from a accident. Just think of it this way, engine is running...then impact. Balancing and everything goes whack, bend valves, etc etc etc. Whether you believe him or not is irrelevant of what your paying for. In the end you get bite in the ass for buying a screwed up motor which would cost you more in repairs than its worth. It's a gamble, unless known specifically like I said. Anyway, good luck. Just trying to watch out for members.

PS. You wont be able to figure out nothing just by looking at it. It has to be torn down in pieces.

please stop posting... you're making your dad feel like he should have pulled out.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:49 PM   #7
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easy.


Did the timing belt break???????????????????????????????///


If it did not... you're fine. Also.... yes i agree, you need a syncro... get it changed before you put the tranny in.


That whole setup is a DEAL...... so either take someone who knows about subies with you or make sure you know your stuff.


That would be a fantastic swap.



ps. Make sure you get the key/ecu/immobilizer... or else it won't start. You can usually tell if the belt broke if the timing belt cover is broken. (they replaced the broken pieces.) Mine was hit at about oooh i would say 20mph.... even pushed back the driverside firewall.... engine = cherry. Swapped TWICE!!! These Ej257's are strong. You're going to need hubs... i dont' think those axles are plug and play.... etc. (but i hope you know that)


p.s.s. get the fuel pump.


p.s.s.s. maintence = check the "oil separator" in the rear of the engine... they leak... mine was fine, but after it was hit, it leaked. MIGHT wanna change the clutch too.. while it's out......and...check the turbo for slack.. it should spin like a fine wine with just your fingers... if you feel play... you need a new turbo. Oh **** almost forgot, grab the stock intake/maf... AND BOOST CONTROL SOLENOID.


shoot me a PM if you need anything else.... I've done this enough times.... i forget things sometimes.

-Dan
I agree the engine is probably fine, assuming that the timing belt is still intact, and yes you can test the engine, you can run a compression test on it by hooking the starter up to a battery and running a remote starter between the ground terminal of the battery and the ground side of the circuit. Then run your compression test like normal. And that way you know for sure if it broke and bent valves, just because its no broken now doesn't mean it hasn't been replaced.

Now here is something that everybody seems to be skipping over, the "synchro" problem, 9 times out of 10 when a synchro goes bad and its "grinding" the slider and the gear are also bad. So it's not just a synchro it's a synchro, a gear, and slider, at minimum. Most of the time you get in there and there are more issues mostly caused by the fragments of the gear floating around in there. So I wouldn't take that lightly, and here is the other kicker, 90% of "Transmission" shops won't touch a Subaru trans so unless you are close to a specialist its going to have to go to the dealer, which get real expensive in a hurry.

All of that being said it is still one hell of a deal but beware there is going to be more expenses involved in it. Make sure you have all the wiring out of the car, not just the engine bay stuff, and to be honest its alot easier if you can get all of the dash and cluster as well, the immobilizer needs the cluster as well I believe.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:59 PM   #8
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I appreciate the info. I'm going to check everything out tomorrow and probably make the purchase. I've got a close buddy that should be able to do a bit of tranny work. I'm going to see about the cluster, but I don't plan to run it. Also getting the brembo's from him for a pretty decent price. Sure hope everything works out...
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:38 PM   #9
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O man........i remember the last time i bought a engine package already pulled out and i couldnt verify the running condition of it.
Wasnt pretty....
Wasnt pretty at all .............Wish you luck tho, hope the seller is a honest guy.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:44 PM   #10
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I'd watch out with the trans too. Fixing STi trannies are NOT cheap.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:01 AM   #11
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You guys got me a little worried now... Picked everything up today, seems to be as described. Turbo has no play. Plan to change the head gaskets and probably timing components while the engines out, and send the trans off to get fixed.

All in all I got -

COMPLETE 257 long block, all accessories and everything
COMPLETE dash and engine harness with ecu
Trans
Drive shaft and rear diff
STi trunk lid with wing
All four decent shaped Brembos with rotors
TMIC
All four axles
Center counsle
Two hubs
DVW STi gas pedal

All for $5k. May need a little maintenance, but at that price I'm pretty comfortable with it. At least for now, hopefully pulling the heads doesn't leave me with any surprises.
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