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Old 12-13-2018, 08:37 PM   #101
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I'm with orndog. I work for a company based in the Phoenix area and go there once a year for at least a week.....in April. It hit 116 degrees this July. Why do people live there? And why does my company keep the facility temperature at about 53 degrees inside?
It's probably 85 but feels like 53 when you walk in.
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:53 PM   #102
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Raleigh would work, you get a new house within 20 minutes of the airport for $100 a square all day long.

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Old 12-13-2018, 09:04 PM   #103
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I'm with orndog. I work for a company based in the Phoenix area and go there once a year for at least a week.....in April. It hit 116 degrees this July. Why do people live there? And why does my company keep the facility temperature at about 53 degrees inside?
It's seventy degrees here right now.
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Old 12-13-2018, 09:31 PM   #104
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Old 12-13-2018, 09:34 PM   #105
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The Arcadia area isn't bad, I'll give you that.
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Old 12-14-2018, 12:27 AM   #106
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Raleigh would work, you get a new house within 20 minutes of the airport for $100 a square all day long.
We were visiting friends in a place called siler city, just outside of Raleigh. Also. Asheville seems nice. You may get some ice and snow, but not a bunch. Plus all the nature stuff nearby.
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Old 12-14-2018, 12:42 AM   #107
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Only correct answer is Canada. You want to live abroad without any of the hassle of living abroad. P.m. me and I can get you fast tracked into the country.
I've actually been wanting to go to canuckia for years. The one serious call (Lululemon corporate) choked when I told them current salary at the time.
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:40 AM   #108
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It does get really satan's assh*** hot there in the Summer but I'd take that over living in hipsterland any day.
i like hipsters, i have a beard and everything!
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:55 AM   #109
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My wife the California Girl is dubious about staying in the south, especially with our tainted elections, but I'm a fan of the Atlanta area. Our politics are getting better, and we are starting to get into the 21st century regarding things like recycling, sustainable development, etc. There's a vibrant live music scene, a variety of art, a place for anything you've heard of, and a receptive environment if you're breaking new ground. We have good local breweries and a wide variety of food.

Traffic is a problem (no casinos that I'm aware of) but we have a direct rail line from the airport to at least the inner ring of suburbs. True, our subway map is basically this: "+" but the southern-most station is within the actual airport, and the northern-most station has its own highway exit. (There's a separate branch off to the northeast, so maybe the subway map is more like a tilted "¥" if you ignore the doubled-up east-west part.)

The northern suburbs have good housing and Atlanta Motorsports Park, and we're also close to Road Atlanta, 2-3 hours to Barber, less than 2 hours to Talladega Gran Prix (test-n-tune / track day in something small like a Miata, but you can wheel-to-wheel race on motorcycles) and 4 hours to Roebling, Jennings, or Carolina Motorsports Park, 6 to VIR. If you'd rather tour than race, we are an hour from the very pretty north Georgia mountains and 3 hours from Deal's Gap / the Cherohala Skyway, 3-ish hours from Asheville, 4 hours from the Atlantic coast, 6 hours to the Gulf coast.

We *do* get snow; you may have seen it on the news, because when we get what northerners call "snow" it's newsworthy. For some reason, you must go out and buy milk and bread; maybe southerners have perfected bread pudding? Dedicated snow tires would help, but nobody has them because we get snow maybe a day or two a year. We solve it by not going anywhere unless we have to for a couple days (there's the snow day, then there's the melt/refreeze couple of nights after, and then it's gone, leaving only the memory of the IS300 you bought new and had been depending on since you met your wife and had four kids, one of which your wife decided absolutely had to get to her dance lesson that Saturday, which, let's face it, was probably cancelled anyway. That's my old boss's story, anyway.) So yeah, we stay off the road and treat it like a metro-area bonding experience, sort of like our MLS team.

Then again, expensive places are expensive for a reason, and I always translate "expensive" as "nice" (and conversely, "inexpensive" as "crappy.") So when people say "Portland Oregon is expensive!" I think "yeah, it IS lovely, I've been and I liked it." And people say "Little Rock is so inexpensive, you can get a nice house there for like eight bucks!" and I think "yep, sounds about like I remember. They're up to eight bucks now?"

Note that our suburbs in the southeast tend to favor parents. People like Cary NC or John's Creek GA for "the schools" and traffic is a million school buses, and middle-aged DINKs are more of a rarity in the Atlanta suburbs than in town, or in other cool hip southern places (Louisville KY, RDU, Nashvegas.) Your neighbors will have different things to talk about than you (unless there are KidsTheFierce I have somehow missed.)

Anyway, post back here what you find, because we are also looking at possibilities. I grew up in the NYC suburbs but I got off the plane to go to college in Atlanta in 1982 and realized "I have been 'away from home' my whole life and never realized it until now." I've traveled a lot for work since graduating, including spending half of 1990-1994 living in my childhood bedroom and working long-term assignments for a client site in northern Westchester. I have liked pretty much everywhere I've been, but I've always been happy to live where I do. My wife, however, is a California girl whose ex-husband dragged her to Purdue Indiana and then to Chicago before bringing her here, and she never really warmed up to it here, partly because the politics have been so regressive. We are weighing how much of my work I can do remotely and where she might want to go / how often I'd be there too, and how often we'd get to see our kids (her son at college 90 minutes away, my son working 90 different minutes away, both pretty busy making their own lives. We don't really "have kids," we have grown-ups.) She would go to Seattle or Portland, or anywhere in California north of Ventura, in two seconds. I like everywhere I've ever been, but have an affinity to the northeast since my sister lives in our NY hometown, my brother is in Northampton these days, and we have a family lake house in western Mass that I still can't believe I only see six nights a year.

Still, if she'd stay here and help make this place better in the ways other places are better, that's my first choice. I think we're headed in the right direction, and I really like it here.

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Old 12-14-2018, 08:17 AM   #110
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all in all a surprisingly helpful thread..

so to recap

Phoenix
Raleigh
Atlanta (ew)
Austin

sound like the places to delve into more... the more I look, the more I like the desert.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:24 AM   #111
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Plenty of safe housing and work in a 5-20 min radius of DFW airport.
I read that as DTW and I was like why would you recommend that.... then I read it again.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:25 AM   #112
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Without reading the thread have you looked at Nashville?
- fast growing
- lots to do
- good airport
- weather is typically nice with minimal amounts of snow / ice.
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Without reading the thread have you looked at Nashville?
- fast growing
- lots to do
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- weather is typically nice with minimal amounts of snow / ice.
I haven't actually, and it was listed, I'll check a bit...all I remember from my days in Nashville (20 years ago) is that it was grimy and didn't feel safe.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:35 AM   #114
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I haven't actually, and it was listed, I'll check a bit...all I remember from my days in Nashville (20 years ago) is that it was grimy and didn't feel safe.
Ah, things have changed. We lived in the next county over but were still 20 min to the airport. They done a lot to make the downtown area much nicer/safer too as it is now a destination for a lot of people nightly. 100 bars all with live music and most have no cover to get it. Stick your head in, if you don’t like the act walk 50 feet to the next venue.
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Ah, things have changed. We lived in the next county over but were still 20 min to the airport. They done a lot to make the downtown area much nicer/safer too as it is now a destination for a lot of people nightly. 100 bars all with live music and most have no cover to get it. Stick your head in, if you don’t like the act walk 50 feet to the next venue.
give me a couple towns to dig into if you don't mind.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:45 AM   #116
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give me a couple towns to dig into if you don't mind.
In the Nashville area you have the two counties on each side of Nashville, Wilson county and Williamson county. Williamson county is a bit higher end with towns like Brentwood and Franklin, real nice places to live. All the outdoors things a person could want with beautiful lakes near so plenty of hiking if that’s yore thing. Folks have mentioned racing here and I know there is a new road course that was built about 40 minutes north of Nashville directly across the street from the corvette plant in Bowling Green Ky.

The towns of Brentwood and Franklin would be where I would look, 300k can get a nice place but there are places in the seven figures there as well.
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:04 AM   #117
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GTF says he doesn't want snow. You guys are recommending Ohio and ****ing MICHIGAN. What is reading comprehension?
It's all KC's fault. I was following the rules and then he mentioned Ohio and Michigan. I fell off the wagon.
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:12 AM   #118
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Sure, blame me. You typed the words and clicked "Submit Reply".

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MI gets a bad rap because of "snow". The mitten does have a definite winter season but it isn't all bad. Plenty to do outside and honestly it doesn't snow as much on the eastern side of the state as it does on the western side. May - November can be awesome and there are also a ton of outdoor activities.
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:33 AM   #120
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MI gets a bad rap because of "snow". The mitten does have a definite winter season but it isn't all bad. Plenty to do outside and honestly it doesn't snow as much on the eastern side of the state as it does on the western side. May - November can be awesome and there are also a ton of outdoor activities.
That's half the year in the can. Same as NE. Don't even think about it.
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:39 AM   #121
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all in all a surprisingly helpful thread..

so to recap

Phoenix
Raleigh
Atlanta (ew)
Austin

sound like the places to delve into more... the more I look, the more I like the desert.
I believe you enjoy hiking, right? Out of all those places, Phoenix will give you the best hiking out of any of them hands down. Not in Phoenix itself, of course, but 30 minutes-2 hour drive in pretty much any direction gives you amazing hiking. Yes, in the summer it feels like you are in an oven but that whole dry heat thing is true. I'll take 110 degrees no humidity over 90 degrees cut the air with a knife humidity any day. This is an hour outside of Phoenix:




When I retire I'm going back to AZ. Not Phoenix, but probably somewhere just north of there where the highs don't get quite as high in the summer.
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:48 AM   #122
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That's half the year in the can. Same as NE. Don't even think about it.
This.

I midwested for 30 years. Mid October - Late April is winter.
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:51 AM   #123
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My wife the California Girl is dubious about staying in the south, especially with our tainted elections, but I'm a fan of the Atlanta area. Our politics are getting better, and we are starting to get into the 21st century regarding things like recycling, sustainable development, etc. There's a vibrant live music scene, a variety of art, a place for anything you've heard of, and a receptive environment if you're breaking new ground. We have good local breweries and a wide variety of food.

Traffic is a problem (no casinos that I'm aware of) but we have a direct rail line from the airport to at least the inner ring of suburbs. True, our subway map is basically this: "+" but the southern-most station is within the actual airport, and the northern-most station has its own highway exit. (There's a separate branch off to the northeast, so maybe the subway map is more like a tilted "¥" if you ignore the doubled-up east-west part.)

The northern suburbs have good housing and Atlanta Motorsports Park, and we're also close to Road Atlanta, 2-3 hours to Barber, less than 2 hours to Talladega Gran Prix (test-n-tune / track day in something small like a Miata, but you can wheel-to-wheel race on motorcycles) and 4 hours to Roebling, Jennings, or Carolina Motorsports Park, 6 to VIR. If you'd rather tour than race, we are an hour from the very pretty north Georgia mountains and 3 hours from Deal's Gap / the Cherohala Skyway, 3-ish hours from Asheville, 4 hours from the Atlantic coast, 6 hours to the Gulf coast.

We *do* get snow; you may have seen it on the news, because when we get what northerners call "snow" it's newsworthy. For some reason, you must go out and buy milk and bread; maybe southerners have perfected bread pudding? Dedicated snow tires would help, but nobody has them because we get snow maybe a day or two a year. We solve it by not going anywhere unless we have to for a couple days (there's the snow day, then there's the melt/refreeze couple of nights after, and then it's gone, leaving only the memory of the IS300 you bought new and had been depending on since you met your wife and had four kids, one of which your wife decided absolutely had to get to her dance lesson that Saturday, which, let's face it, was probably cancelled anyway. That's my old boss's story, anyway.) So yeah, we stay off the road and treat it like a metro-area bonding experience, sort of like our MLS team.

Then again, expensive places are expensive for a reason, and I always translate "expensive" as "nice" (and conversely, "inexpensive" as "crappy.") So when people say "Portland Oregon is expensive!" I think "yeah, it IS lovely, I've been and I liked it." And people say "Little Rock is so inexpensive, you can get a nice house there for like eight bucks!" and I think "yep, sounds about like I remember. They're up to eight bucks now?"

Note that our suburbs in the southeast tend to favor parents. People like Cary NC or John's Creek GA for "the schools" and traffic is a million school buses, and middle-aged DINKs are more of a rarity in the Atlanta suburbs than in town, or in other cool hip southern places (Louisville KY, RDU, Nashvegas.) Your neighbors will have different things to talk about than you (unless there are KidsTheFierce I have somehow missed.)

Anyway, post back here what you find, because we are also looking at possibilities. I grew up in the NYC suburbs but I got off the plane to go to college in Atlanta in 1982 and realized "I have been 'away from home' my whole life and never realized it until now." I've traveled a lot for work since graduating, including spending half of 1990-1994 living in my childhood bedroom and working long-term assignments for a client site in northern Westchester. I have liked pretty much everywhere I've been, but I've always been happy to live where I do. My wife, however, is a California girl whose ex-husband dragged her to Purdue Indiana and then to Chicago before bringing her here, and she never really warmed up to it here, partly because the politics have been so regressive. We are weighing how much of my work I can do remotely and where she might want to go / how often I'd be there too, and how often we'd get to see our kids (her son at college 90 minutes away, my son working 90 different minutes away, both pretty busy making their own lives. We don't really "have kids," we have grown-ups.) She would go to Seattle or Portland, or anywhere in California north of Ventura, in two seconds. I like everywhere I've ever been, but have an affinity to the northeast since my sister lives in our NY hometown, my brother is in Northampton these days, and we have a family lake house in western Mass that I still can't believe I only see six nights a year.

Still, if she'd stay here and help make this place better in the ways other places are better, that's my first choice. I think we're headed in the right direction, and I really like it here.
So what you're saying is you like Atlanta but want to vote to make it more like Portland
Atlanta city hall is pretty corrupt. And I am always amazed that TN can do so much better with a 9% sales tax than Georgia can do with 6% + all the SPLOSTs added to that PLUS income tax.

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Without reading the thread have you looked at Nashville?
- fast growing
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- good airport
- weather is typically nice with minimal amounts of snow / ice.
I pushed Nashville pretty hard early on, he wasn't buying.
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I'll chime in my $0.02... I'm what people around here call a "half-backer"... started in New England, loved the atmosphere there, but my family didn't like the expense and cold weather so we moved to South Florida... which for me was too crowded, too hot, too full of nutjobs, too flat... so as soon as I could I moved halfway back and ended up in the Carolinas, in the country, just outside a South Carolina suburb of Charlotte, NC.

For the most part, no regrets, I love my house, I have gorgeous views, fun roads, I'm a couple hours from the mountains and a couple hours from the beach, Charlotte is booming and is a short drive away; Asheville is awesome, Charleston is awesome, and they're both easy daytrips for me.

That said, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have probably settled in Greenville, SC. It is a beautiful, hopping little city in the foothills and is so close to all the outdoor things I love. And Asheville is a short drive up the road. And there is so much beer. They get more winter there than I do here, but it's not that bad. And someone above mentioned waterfalls... if you're a fan of waterfalls, you'll friggin love the areas around Greenville.

My 2nd alternate pick would probably be somewhere around Charleston, SC.
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Ah, things have changed. We lived in the next county over but were still 20 min to the airport. They done a lot to make the downtown area much nicer/safer too as it is now a destination for a lot of people nightly. 100 bars all with live music and most have no cover to get it. Stick your head in, if you don’t like the act walk 50 feet to the next venue.
Nashville is like Vegas, but smaller and dirtier...but better music so they have that going for them...
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