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Old 02-25-2003, 11:31 AM   #151
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Well I posted to this log exactly 1 year ago and at that time my fuel leak appeared to be fixed.

It's baaaacck. Apparently it wasn't cold enough after the repair last year to cause the leak to manifest itself.

About three weeks ago after sitting outside all day (garaged at night) I started driving home from work (about 10* F) and sure enough, about 4 or 5 minutes into the trip I was hit with the overpowering fuel smell.

Called the dealer when I arrived home and let them know they had worked on the car a year ago for the same problem and it still wasn't fixed. I had to wait 3 days to bring it in and of course by then it was warmer outside. The worked on it and said they had (again) tightend all the hoses. When I dropped it off I asked them to remove the manifold so they could get to everything but when I picked it up they said it wasn't necessary.

Of course they didn't actually fix it. It was cold again yesterday (-2* F) and after sitting out all day it was horrible, worse than ever. I called them as soon as I arrived home and was not quite as polite as in the past. The service rep told me I was the third one yesterday and they had one in the shop with the manifold off so it could be repaired.

They asked me to bring it in later in the week and I told them no, I'm bringing it tonight so that you can drive it after it's nice and cold from sitting out all night and enjoy the gas fumes for themselves. The rep agreed and I dropped the car off last night.

One of the techs was in the customer area and the look on his face spoke volumes when the service rep told him he had another WRX fuel problem to fix. A look that said something like "oh s**t, not another one, I hate doing these". It was priceless.

Hopefully the third time's the charm but it may be three strikes and you're out.

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Old 03-11-2003, 01:52 AM   #152
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Manufatured date: probably march 2k1....not so sure, too lazy to run downstairs....

I currently have downpipe, drop in K&N filter, and Cat-back exhaust. I replace my fuel filter around early december. Started to notice the raw fuel smell in january, but it's like every time i start my car when its been sitting outside for long time. For instance, I checked for leaks this evening before going out the garage( i have a heated garage) and I smelled the fuel very faintly around the downpipe/ factory boost solenoid area. I ALWAYS have my ventilation set at fresh air...not so fresh with 93 octane in my face... For those of you with this problem, did the dealers bi*** about the aftermarket parts on your WRX? I bought mine from Liberty Subaru with 80k ext. warranty( I regret sorta) . I just don't want to have any problems with the car/ dealership. I wonder why it's taking so freaking long for them to put out a recall notice. They better hurry, because if they don't fix this problem( for some of us) I'll let it burn while I'm on the highway. I hate to do it but, hey, I paid 25k for this machine, and I expect my car to run great WITHOUT gas fumes killing my brain cells!
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Old 03-11-2003, 11:21 PM   #153
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I still find this amazing that SOA hasn't done anything official w/ a what appears to be a very common fuel leak.
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Old 03-21-2003, 12:31 PM   #154
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This one hit my car too. She is one of the early builds. It was cold. When I turned on the car and waited a few mintues the smell of gas was quite strong. It was a loose hose clamp near the intake manifold. The leak did not happen while the car was still only when powered on.


Fixed for now.
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Old 03-21-2003, 03:40 PM   #155
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i have an 02 w/ 32,500 miles...dnt know wheni t was built but smelled the gas in cold start just like everyione else....smell goes away after a few minutes of driving...live here in california, though in a sunny day...i could still smell the gas when the car has been sittin for awhile....
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Old 03-21-2003, 04:54 PM   #156
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It is probably a loose clamp. Raw gas in the engine compartment is generally bad.


They guy I talked with at SOA said they had heard of the problem. They analyze warranty claims to see if there is a problem part. Sadly many of these issues are being seen out of warranty. They did not strike me as having any urgency on the matter.

Since there is a risk of engine fire I filed a complaint with NHTSA (1-888-327-4236). It took about 5 minutes. Can others who have had this problem please do the same?

There is only one mention of this problem on the NHTSA.gov website.
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Old 03-23-2003, 08:06 AM   #157
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I have a brand new '03 WRX with only 1400km on it. Yesterday when I came out of the highway I had a fuel smell. The car is not even broken yet so I don't run it hard yet and already got fuel smell.... don't look good!
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Old 03-26-2003, 10:57 PM   #158
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I got the raw fuel smell when it was cold on the first startup of the day. Sometimes it was overwhelming.

It came from the air vents when the vents were open (not recirculate)

Build date, well you got me cause I couldn't find it.

My car is stock.


I just got my car back from the dealer. After over week of working on the car this is what the invoice said:

M CONFIRMED REPLACED INTAKE AND FUEL PUMP

1 99071AB420 HOSE VACUUM (N/C)
2 14035AA420 GASKET INTAKE MANIF (N/C)
1 14011AA535 MANIF AY INT (N/C)
2 14075AA160 GASKET INTAKE COLLECTOR (N/C)
4 16395AA020 GROMMET (N/C)
4 16698AA110 O-RING (N/C)
1 SOA821B200 REPL BATTERY (N/C)
1 42022FE000 PUMP FUEL (N/C)
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Old 03-27-2003, 12:12 AM   #159
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Build date is on metal plaque that is either on the drivers or the drivers door sill. I do not remember which. Sadly the smell seems to transcend model years.
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Old 03-28-2003, 04:35 PM   #160
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wow! there seem to have been quite a few more cases of the fuel smell this winter than last!

there were a few times this winter where i thought i smelled fuel, but i checked and there were no wet spots or dried up residue in the same places there were last time. Its getting warmer now, so I guess I'll have to wait for next year to see if the problem creeps up again.

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Old 04-01-2003, 12:35 PM   #161
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I just had the recall kit for this problem installed on my 2003 WRX Sedan. My car is completely stock, save the STi Engine and Tranny mounts I just had installed. I recall the fuel smell occuring probably a half dozen times this winter. Anyway, after the kit was installed I took the car out for a moderately spirited drive. I parked the car in the garage and there was a distinct cooking rubber smell emanting from it. I'm guessing that its from the new hoses? But, I'm not sure what this repair comprised of. Anybody else experience this after the repair?
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Old 04-01-2003, 03:27 PM   #162
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Your the first 2003 I've heard of with this problem.
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Old 04-02-2003, 02:30 PM   #163
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It seemed to exhibit the symptoms. Not sure if it was a case for the dealer to do warranty work and maybe they wanted to error on the safe side. Anyway, it did have quite a distinct smell after startup in cold weather - either the exhaust of a very rich fuel mixture or a fuel leak.
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Old 04-09-2003, 01:41 PM   #164
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Default TSB Published by Subaru

Subaru published a TSB the other day on this

I think the number is 03-0906

addresses this problem exactly where we thought it was, in the fuel line area under manifold.

fix is to lengthen the fuel lines under manifold with special order parts kit.
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Old 04-09-2003, 02:13 PM   #165
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Could someone scan this or post a link to where I might find it.
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Old 04-16-2003, 11:15 PM   #166
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Same thing happened to me in Feb. The only day my WRX has been outside in <32F weather. We don't see that much cold weather in Texas.

When I got to the dealer, they could smell it. The dealer had it for a couple of days, and could not replicate. It doesn't stay cold enough down here. I searched, and found another similar thread on this forum. Then sent them the link. They immediately found the yellow stains exactly where you guys predicted.

MFG DATE 01/01

The following was on the invoice:
GASKET INTAKE COLLECTOR (N/C)
GASKET INTAKE MANIF (N/C)
CLAMP (N/C)

Thanks!
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Old 05-20-2003, 01:31 PM   #167
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Here's the tsb so folks can get a jump on next years' cold.




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Old 05-28-2003, 10:03 PM   #168
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Thanks iceweazel. I just printed this out and I'm making my appointment tomorrow. I also filed a complaint with www.nhtsa.com and stated that this is a safety issue and should be a recall.
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Old 12-11-2003, 05:06 AM   #169
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I have a '03 WRX sedan and I too am having problems. I noticed some loss of power in the bitter cold and snow last year, but at the time I thought I had some snow stuck in the wheel wells. I never had a fuel smell though until this winter (today actually).

I'll be calling the dealer tomorrow morning. This is a safety issue and should DEFINATELY be considered as a recall issue!!!

Thanks,
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Old 01-05-2004, 09:50 AM   #170
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Thanks everybody for the helpful information on this important subject.

I just experienced this yesterday evening for the first time (bought my WRX in July of 2001 and have over 62K miles so far).

I had been away on holiday travel for several days, so my WRX was sitting in the garage. But, it was relatively cold when I went to start the car yesterday evening (in the 40's here in Dallas area) and my wife complained about the fuel smell when she came out to the garage to get in the car.

We went to a restaurant to pick up some food, came back out to the car, I opened the door for her and voila a wave of fuel smell greeted me when I opened the door.

Back at the house, we brought the WRX into the garage and shut it down, then went into the house, which subsequently led to our teenage daughter complaining about it smelling like gasoline in the house now.

Needless to say, I'll be calling the Subaru dealiership this morning to discuss the matter.

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Old 01-05-2004, 10:42 AM   #171
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I'd be curious to see what they have to say, seeing your out of the "normal" warranty. There is a TSB on this matter, but no formal recall. IMO this is a safety issue, raw fuel leaking onto the engine.

Good luck and let us know what they say.

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Old 01-05-2004, 11:26 AM   #172
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I agree with BigSkyWRX. When my car had this problem I got the impression that the only reason it was covered under warranty was that I had an extended warranty. Originally I was given a $500 estimate for the fix before I got them to cover it under the extended warranty too.

Please file a complaint with NHTSA. This will be the only way to get the problem fixed for everyone.
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Old 01-05-2004, 11:35 AM   #173
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That's a good idea. The reason it's so expensive is it's fairly labor intensive. The intake manifold must come off to remove the oem turbo inlet pipe in one piece.

I don't think it's right to make someone pay for something that was engineered poorly, especially w/ the associated safety concerns.

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Old 01-05-2004, 01:45 PM   #174
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I just bought a used 2000 OBS, 2.2L H4 engine, with 47K miles. I've only had it for a week, but we're at about -20F windchill this morning in Minneapolis so I found out about the problem pretty quickly. I got a strong gasoline smell in the passenger compartment on starting the car, and a couple times sitting at intersections. Previous owner didn't say anything about it, but then again I didn't think to ask Fortunately, the car has Subaru "Gold Plus" warranty coverage until 80K miles, so once that gets transferred to my name I should be able to get it fixed, right? Or, considering th low success rate of previous posters, should I wait for an official recall? Thanks!
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Old 01-05-2004, 05:54 PM   #175
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I printed up the tsband brought it to them. They hadn't even seen the document until I showed them. The mechanic was like 'It is ridiculous that they don't recall these cars for something like this.' They took care of it no questions asked and I had an intake, gauges, exhaust on at the time. I also filed a complaint with the nhtsa. Which I would recommend everyone do.

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