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Old 01-08-2004, 01:56 PM   #201
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I put mine in but couldn't find the printout with the number I have. Are people putting them under Impreza or WRX? I used WRX but if we all agree to one then they will be together and have a greater number.
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Old 01-08-2004, 03:40 PM   #202
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For those who have this problem but can't get it fixed free by the dealer, you might wish to consider the pre-TSB solution, which is to simply tighten one of the fuel return line hose clamps. sube151 describes (with pictures) how he cured his problem in this thread from Jan, 2002 (two years ago):
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=138069
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:22 PM   #203
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I put mine under WRX and IIRC something along the line of fuel- lines,connectors,etc

Jon- tightening one may possibly cure the problem and worth a shot, but your dealing w/ tandem lines w/ clamps at each end- thus four to potentailly tighten. Unfortunately you can't get at these damn clamps and even when you can (after removing the turbo inlet pipe and unfortunately unless you take off the intake manifold the oem has to be hacked to get it out and aftermarket one used ie silicone) two are upside down (from the assembly no doubt) and still very difficult to tighten.

The other thing I noticed w/ the TSB is they are actually changing the configuration of the lines w/ longers sections of soft fuel line (vs hard lines). I don't know if this was simply more readily available or somehow contributes to the fix?

I still feel this is a potential safety issue. Even if you happened to know about the TSB and could get it fixed, there are a lot of folks oblivious to this potential problem- ie someone from the warmer climes who would may never get the fuel smell, but decides to visit Grandma up "north" and at the wrong time has fuel dribbling out onto a hot engine or other potential igniton.

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Old 01-08-2004, 06:20 PM   #204
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Woohoo, I just got a call from the NHTSA stating they have recently opened an investigation on the issue based on the complaints and Subaru's TSB! I missed his call, so I'll be talking to them tommorow.

Everyone keep posting to the NHSTA site!
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Old 01-08-2004, 07:43 PM   #205
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Does NHTSA care about non-US vehicles? Is there a similar website for Canadians?
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Old 01-08-2004, 07:57 PM   #206
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Does NHTSA care about non-US vehicles?
They care about every car on public roadways.
Jon in CT thanks for that post with the pictures I didn't find it in my serch of this issue. I bumped it up some everyone can see it.
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Old 01-08-2004, 08:35 PM   #207
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Old 01-08-2004, 08:36 PM   #208
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Just happened to me today.

known causes/triggers
Car sat for two days in <15 degree weather
location of smell's origin (if known)
Under the hood. I had the fan on when I started the vehicle, and immediately noticed the smell. Popped the hood and I could smell the fuel, but was in a hurry so I couldn't look too closely.
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Old 01-08-2004, 10:46 PM   #209
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Looks like the ball is starting to roll guys-good job!

If your getting the fuel small be sure to take five minutes and fill out the requested info here:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/


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Old 01-08-2004, 11:35 PM   #210
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I tried to fill it in but got a database error - might have to do with the non-US address.
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Old 01-08-2004, 11:44 PM   #211
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I tried to fill it in but got a database error - might have to do with the non-US address.
I got that to, then went to the nonsecure one and it worked fine- don't know why it didn't work?
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Old 01-09-2004, 12:50 AM   #212
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I was using the non-secure one as well . . . I couldn't even get through on the secure option.
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Old 01-09-2004, 09:53 AM   #213
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Well, last night I tried tightening that one clamp as seen here, http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...threadid=138069, and it worked like a charm!

My dealer wanted me to wait 30 friggin days for the TSB parts to come in, but NASIOC saves the day! Now, with people posting how the TSB didn't work, I'm not even sure I want the dealer monkeying under my hood.

Has anyone who performed the "clamp" fix had the problem recur?
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Old 01-09-2004, 11:38 AM   #214
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This happened to me today.

Where: Massachusetts
Temp: < 0F all night and I started the car around 2F

Fuel smell the entire trip to work.

Called dealership and they said it was normal.
I scheduled an appointment anyway.

Currently in the middle of filing a complaint with NHTSA.

thanks everyone.
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Old 01-09-2004, 12:23 PM   #215
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no_rex_yet - The clamp on my WRX was tightened in march when I first experienced the fuel leak. In November the leak was back when the temps hit -10F. The dealership replaced bits per the TSB and it was covered under the extened warranty. Since then, we have had weather down around -5F since and the leak has not recurred.
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Old 01-09-2004, 12:33 PM   #216
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Thanks, looks like I'll have the dealer perform the fix when the parts come in. Keeping my fingers crossed until then.

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no_rex_yet - The clamp on my WRX was tightened in march when I first experienced the fuel leak. In November the leak was back when the temps hit -10F. The dealership replaced bits per the TSB and it was covered under the extened warranty. Since then, we have had weather down around -5F since and the leak has not recurred.
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Old 01-10-2004, 10:25 PM   #217
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Addd me to that list as well , Car sat outside for about 75 mins in 17-20 deg f today we got a very strong fuel smell for about 10 min. But tomorrow i'll tighten up clamps and file a complaint,40,500 MILES Thanks everyone safe driving Colm
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Old 01-11-2004, 02:07 AM   #218
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Add me to the list.

2002 WRX

Car sat for 2 weeks in a parking lot then onto a lift for 2 days to fix it after a wreck. Drove it for the first time today in about 10 deg F or so.

didnt notice a smell at first, sears noted to me that when they were aligning it they had a STRONG smell of gas fromt he vents and almost wouldnt do the alignment.

I smelled gas the second I moved my A/C vents to outside. Did not drive the car much at all today.

Tommorow morning I will be looking for the clamp and try to tighten it down.

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Old 01-11-2004, 05:09 PM   #219
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Noticed this today as I was heading out for a drive Only noticed it at stoplights and as I was pulling away.

known causes/triggers
Car sat for two days in sub-zero temperatures.


date of manufacture
01/01, IIRC

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Old 01-11-2004, 05:14 PM   #220
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Posting here is helpful.

Posting here will likely get this resolved for everyone:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

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Old 01-11-2004, 05:31 PM   #221
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Already done.
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Old 01-11-2004, 08:09 PM   #222
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Angry fuel smell

WRX at dealer for 2nd time for fuel smell, took pics on way to dealer and pic in service bay of fuel stain on block under manifold.
filed complaint with nhtsa also. glad to hear something is under investigation.. hope with tsb and pics and cold weather this week they will actually try to fix it!
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Old 01-11-2004, 09:35 PM   #223
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Add me to the list.
2002 WRX Wagon, 37500 miles.

I thought this was from cars i was following, but then i had it when i was warming it up outside the house for a few minutes, and i could hardly breath when i got inside.
Will be speaking to my dealer in the morning.

Ive also noticed that since ive had this smell im getting a hollow ticking/knocking sound in tune with engine speed when its under hard load, from around 2500 to 4500 rpm. Im worried that this may be detonation caused by fuel starvation.
It was bad enough for my wife to even notice it.


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Old 01-12-2004, 01:30 PM   #224
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Hey

Got a call this morning from NHTSA, said matter is under investigation, due to the nature of the smell/leak and potential danger. And they have had a flood of calls and emails on this matter, so if anyone else has not reported the problem to them, please do!

Maybe subaru will actually have to do a recall this defect.
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Old 01-12-2004, 02:03 PM   #225
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I've submitted my complaint to the NHTSA.

Dealer would not fix for free despite TSB 09-36-03.

Besides being a safety issue, I would think that this would be an evaporative emissions issue as well. It's required that the Check engine light come on if our gas cap isn't screwed on tight enough. A fuel leak direct in to atmosphere circumvents all such provisions.

Anyone know where and how to file a complaint with the EPA?



P.S. My dealer wanted $375 to fix the problem. I refused. I'm going to see what I can do myself.
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