2025 Subaru WRX tS Has Something We Wish the BRZ tS Had

[21ej]

Originally Posted by mcarb002

Yes, the billed 271 hp of this gen WRX has been tested to be at the wheel. So at the crank they’re pretty close.

Since when has a manufacture advertised wheel hp? Why wouldn’t they just advertise a higher crank HP and make more people happy? 271 whp stock is tough to believe for me. I’m gonna have to look up some dynamometer videos

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[dgoodhue]

Yeah I don't think my WRX had 271 whp. I didn't dyno my car but I have read online 245-255whp is pretty normal, obviously dyno's vary. If I had to guess it is in the 290hp crank range.

One of the Head to Head comparison they dynoed both the GRC and WRX TR. The WRX did 255whp./ GRC 265whp.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by kayen

I think the difference between the Bugeye and the current WRX, is the Bugeye WRX was new to the US market and had no comparison/competition. Fast forward to today and people have lots of choice. Maybe not all off them have AWD, but competition nonetheless.

I think with the increased costs and finance costs, is what is killing the WRX. Just look at the car/truck market in general and eventually something has to give. I would also have to think all of the negative equity in peoples current auto loans from the past few year has a huge impact on whether they can afford to trade in for a newer vehicle too.

That's just it. This car certainly isn't as raw as past versions; but, is still quite good and I think plenty of people would get it regardless of looks, it it were cheaper. But, to spend "that" much money on something they also aren't fully keen on looks wise?.......

[samagon]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

That's just it. This car certainly isn't as raw as past versions; but, is still quite good and I think plenty of people would get it regardless of looks, it it were cheaper. But, to spend "that" much money on something they also aren't fully keen on looks wise?.......

if you wanted to, you could go back to December of 2021 and find some posts by me. I stated something to the effect:

I don't like the cladding, but I have already talked to my sales guy and we were scheduled to talk more when the STI was announced. I was fully prepared to drop 40-45k on a STI with the 2.4.

the real pain I'd have to get over would have been that it is a sedan and not a hatch. the cladding never entered my mind as a deal breaker.

then the mid March 2022, Subaru announced the STI would not be happening, I was a bit relieved because I didn't really want a sedan, although I would have settled. for a brief few weeks I was looking at prices of 2011-2014 STI hatches, or thinking of a 04/05 wagon with a STI swap, and working that out in my mind.

then Toyota came to the table with the GR Corolla at the end of March. at that point I was still toying with a used STI hatch vs the GR Corolla, depending on how easy it would be to get a GR Corolla.

at the end of the day, a new WRX was never on the cards, but it was never the styling that ruled it out.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by mcarb002

Yes, the billed 271 hp of this gen WRX has been tested to be at the wheel. So at the crank they’re pretty close.

It’s not even close to 271 at the wheel. More like 240-250. Dynos vary, but for the sake of comparison the VA WRX put down more power on the same dyno than the VB did when SavageGeese tested it: https://youtu.be/lN1wOv7i3rk?feature=shared

12:50 for your viewing pleasure.

Also pretty funny how SOA swears the internals have been beefed up, but won’t exactly say how. Lmao. Like wtf, if you had sodium-filled exhaust valves, forged internals, etc. wouldn’t you advertise that as part of the engine features?

“Trust me bro” - Subaru.

It’s things like this that piss me off as a consumer and make me not want to buy another one of these cars. SOA just doesn’t get it.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

It’s not even close to 271 at the wheel. More like 240-250. Dynos vary, but for the sake of comparison the VA WRX put down more power on the same dyno than the VB did when SavageGeese tested it: https://youtu.be/lN1wOv7i3rk?feature=shared

12:50 for your viewing pleasure.

Also pretty funny how SOA swears the internals have been beefed up, but won’t exactly say how. Lmao. Like wtf, if you had sodium-filled exhaust valves, forged internals, etc. wouldn’t you advertise that as part of the engine features?

“Trust me bro” - Subaru.

It’s things like this that piss me off as a consumer and make me not want to buy another one of these cars. SOA just doesn’t get it.

My 09 wrx put down 245 to the wheels stock and 290 with a stage 1 tune.

The car has been stagnant for 15+ years. But people still buy it.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Really the only thing people will find as far as reference to Subaru's CVT troubles were all regarding the early applications: like 2010-2012 Subaru CVTs. Paired with the older EJ these years seemed to blow head gaskets. Multiple posts about it.

Fact of the matter is, Subaru has verified and recorded that their current design CVT's can go as far as 300,000 miles before needing replacement.
If anyone is a true Subaru Nerd, They would know that the Older 4EAT and 5EAT transmissions were riddled with problems. Ive taken apart all 3. The CVT is arguably a simpler layout/design. Currently the CVT of today has had less issues than that of the 4EAT/5EAT. They had rough shifting, slipping gears, Total failure - Seizing/torque converter locking up when braking. Especially the 5EAT, that Torque converter would lock up at Any speed any gear, made it unpredictable.

Not saying the CVT is uber perfect, but I am saying it has had Less issues than Subaru's Previous Trans picks by a Mile. Some of the more recent issues with the 2020-23 Outbacks are the electronic thermo control valve, which replaced the mechanical thermostat. Seems like Subaru has been favoring the TR690 for the 2.4liter turbo application. Predominantly with the CVT you can expect 10years/200,000miles with adherence to the maintenance schedule before seeing major issues.

LOL Is this Justy's secret 2nd (or 9th) account? Nice lies.

The Subaru CVTs are absolute ****. Nothing but constant failures and recalls. Especially with the Ascent. Still ongoing, too. There's a reason Subaru has had to extend to 10yr warranties and has had multiple class-actions concerning the **** CVTs.

The CVTs in the appliance class Outbacks and Foresters (low torque applications) is pretty good. The CVTs paired with the turbo cars has been awful. Just hop on all the forums and you can see just how large the scale is. Near 100% failure rate on the Ascents before they finally found the latest stable "fix". Also affected multiple years on Ascent, not just 2019s.

Subaru needs to ditch the CVTs on their higher torque vehicles.

[mcarb002]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

It’s not even close to 271 at the wheel. More like 240-250. Dynos vary, but for the sake of comparison the VA WRX put down more power on the same dyno than the VB did when SavageGeese tested it: https://youtu.be/lN1wOv7i3rk?feature=shared

12:50 for your viewing pleasure.

Also pretty funny how SOA swears the internals have been beefed up, but won’t exactly say how. Lmao. Like wtf, if you had sodium-filled exhaust valves, forged internals, etc. wouldn’t you advertise that as part of the engine features?

“Trust me bro” - Subaru.

It’s things like this that piss me off as a consumer and make me not want to buy another one of these cars. SOA just doesn’t get it.

Some are indeed claiming close to 271..
I dunno, call it different dynos different conditions. Point is, the VB and the GRC are actually closer than one might think.

https://www.clubwrx.net/threads/22-wrx-dyno-stock-pulls-275hp-273tq-to-the-wheels.134619583/?utm_source=chatgpt.com


https://youtu.be/rnBsRdB_1i8?si=ctsp4GBhmfXZglac

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by mcarb002

Some are indeed claiming close to 271..
I dunno, call it different dynos different conditions. Point is, the VB and the GRC are actually closer than one might think.

https://www.clubwrx.net/threads/22-wrx-dyno-stock-pulls-275hp-273tq-to-the-wheels.134619583/?utm_source=chatgpt.com


https://youtu.be/rnBsRdB_1i8?si=ctsp4GBhmfXZglac

Those numbers are meaningless without anything to compare them to. I haven’t dyno’d a car in years, but the last time I did it was on a Dynapak and it measured 15 whp over stock (on a completely stock car.) It’s a pointless number unless you’re comparing different cars on the same dyno or are using it to tune/compare gains from tuning.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by dgoodhue

Yeah I don't think my WRX had 271 whp. I didn't dyno my car but I have read online 245-255whp is pretty normal, obviously dyno's vary. If I had to guess it is in the 290hp crank range.

One of the Head to Head comparison they dynoed both the GRC and WRX TR. The WRX did 255whp./ GRC 265whp.

Simple ethanol tune with no mods gets you to 380-400whp range on a wrx. We talking 1000$ investment.

Comparing Numbers alone is deceptive because its the area under the torque curve which translates into power and VB is just a monster.



Last plot is 28psi on a hybrid with conservative timing of 14deg.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Simple ethanol tune with no mods gets you to 380-400whp range on a wrx. We talking 1000$ investment.

Comparing Numbers alone is deceptive because its the area under the torque curve which translates into power and VB is just a monster.



Last plot is 28psi on a hybrid with conservative timing of 14deg.

What does a FA20 make on ethanol, 330-350 whp? So an extra 50 whp makes sense given the .4L of increased displacement.

What annoys me is how in factory form it makes THREE horsepower more than the 2.0. The stock VB should be ~320 hp off the showroom floor. Beef up the trans, do whatever is necessary but 271 hp is a joke in 2024.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

What does a FA20 make on ethanol, 330-350 whp? So an extra 50 whp makes sense given the .4L of increased displacement.

What annoys me is how in factory form it makes THREE horsepower more than the 2.0. The stock VB should be ~320 hp off the showroom floor. Beef up the trans, do whatever is necessary but 271 hp is a joke in 2024.

It makes a hell of a lot more torque, longer, earlier and flatter. You are just comparing peak/max numbers. You need to look at the plots of one vs other to see the real difference.

[20WRX20]

Yea that’s what SavageGeese said, comes on about 1000 RPM earlier. Must be great in traffic. My prior car made peak torque at like 4500 RPM so to me even the FA20 makes good torque from ~2k onward.

[Apb_pools]

Fantastic daily car. Holds resale too. Its the main reason why i am in my second one.

[Brahmzy]

Everything I was saying way back when we all thought we were going to get a next-gen FA24DIT STI is holding true about how great of an engine the FA24DIT really is.
This is why it is so frustrating Subaru botched the styling/packaging in this WRX. It really would've been a "knocked it out of the park" car and I'd probably/ would be driving one.
I've got a new WRX parked across the street right now (neighbor's kid) and it is an eyesore, still, after this long.
I've even entertained going the aftermarket to fix some things:
https://www.aeroflowdynamics.com/pro...-fender-flares
But there's no fixing certain parts of the car like the back bumper, lower front dam area etc. And even with body-colored fender cladding, it's still freakin cladding.
Just sucks Subaru has all the capability and ingredients to nail this gen WRX and F'd it up, again.

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Yessir

Beat me to to

[21ej]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Beat me to to

The shift knob? That's just a Subaru accessory, right? WRX owners have always been able to buy STI branded accessories from the dealership, doesn't necessarily mean that shift knob was intended for a WRX STI. Or am I missing something else in the photo?

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by 21ej

The shift knob? That's just a Subaru accessory, right? WRX owners have always been able to buy STI branded accessories from the dealership, doesn't necessarily mean that shift knob was intended for a WRX STI. Or am I missing something else in the photo?

The cut out below the shifter. It's where the DCCD control goes.

[21ej]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

The cut out below the shifter. It's where the DCCD control goes.

Oh copy. I noticed that but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions. I thought it might just be a storage tray, I couldn’t tell how far back it extended.
By chance does VA dccd controls clip right into that? Is that how we determined that’s what it was for?

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by 21ej

Oh copy. I noticed that but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions. I thought it might just be a storage tray, I couldn’t tell how far back it extended.
By chance does VA dccd controls clip right into that? Is that how we determined that’s what it was for?

When the '22s were first hitting the ground, someone did confirm it. Perfect fit.

[Kostamojen]

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BRZ and WRX tS lap times in this.

[Russ_G93]

Ahh so they gave it the Spec B badge for overseas. Pretty much is a updated 4th Gen Legacy Spec B as far as proportions and power goes.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...gship-revealed

[Kostamojen]

More like Spec-Bull****

[SoDealer]

WRX tS beat the last regular STI around the lightning lap. Sad we never got this generation's STI. It would have owned.