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Old 03-04-2010, 10:38 AM   #26
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BTW - this is what whiteline says about their ALK:
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The anti-lift kit (ALK) is designed to add 0.5 deg static positive castor to both front wheels while introducing a substantial amount of front anti-lift. By changing the front control arm geometry, the new anodised alloy mounts coupled with the new low compliance polyurethane bushes oppose front lift under acceleration. This leads to superior traction, reducing understeer allowing more power, faster acceleration and cornering.

The additional static caster coupled with the new firmer bushes, deliver more dynamic caster dramatically sharpening initial turn-in response, forcing more consistent alignment angles through the corner allowing higher exit speeds.
From the pics, I've seen, one (or more) attachment point, of the front control arm is changed from the factory location. From the rule you quoted, you must use the original attachment points in SM.
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:49 AM   #27
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However the rules state you can use offset bushings so the whiteline KCA375 bushing can be used to gain caster if needed.
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:41 PM   #28
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What is your opinion on the q-rack for auto-x?

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:05 PM   #29
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E. Suspension components are unrestricted as long as they use the
original attachment points. For the purposes of this rule, "suspension"
is defined as any item that is designed to move when a wheel is
deflected vertically. This includes shocks and struts, control arms,
steering knuckles, uprights, etc., but not tie rods, steering racks, and
subframes. In addition, shock absorber/strut upper mounts are to be
considered suspension components.
So, does this mean that the bump steer correction kits (ball joints type) are also illegal?

I still have my old fender braces in there, but need to find some time to yank them out. They aren't helping me win anything I need to find my OE ones, I have them somewhere.

It's too bad the newer 2.5i's didn't come with stiffer braces.

Although, I'll be honest, we come with these braces OEM, I don't see the reason we can't run stiffer ones. But SEB is filled with people with their own agendas right?

I'll post up my car's specs in a little bit. It's not as powerful as your guys cars though, mainly cause this SM project is JUST getting started!
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:15 PM   #30
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E. Suspension components are unrestricted as long as they use the
original attachment points. For the purposes of this rule, "suspension"
is defined as any item that is designed to move when a wheel is
deflected vertically.
This includes shocks and struts, control arms,
steering knuckles, uprights, etc., but not tie rods, steering racks, and
subframes. In addition, shock absorber/strut upper mounts are to be
considered suspension components.

The ALK doesn't move iirc...
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:28 PM   #31
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No, the control arm rotates in the bushing not the actual bushing.

Thanks for the sticky



Heres my list, I only do local events and its currently in the process of getting a 3076r with a speed density tune on the HKS Fcon.


Ok, heres the parts /mods list.

It weights 3046 with a full tank of 93 before the seat replacement.



Engine

ported vf34

Stock coated header

grimmspeed uppipe

APS dr 3.5 tbe

Cusco exhaust hangers

Perrin fuel rails (I hate these b/c I hate perrin but got them for 170 new)

SRI intake with HKS super mega reloaded filter

Samco inlet hose

Custom blitz reversed i/c piping

Custom reversed manifold by me (shaved all unused nubs)

grimmspeed 8mm manifold spacers

Beatrush crank pulley

Beatrush motor mounts

braille 15 lb battery

Cusco oil can converted to coolant over flow

AVO radiator

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Samco flex hoses for coolant air sep

Greddy coolant tank (modded)

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ARC oil pan

Tomei upper and lower oil baffels

Sard fpr

Canton/Meca 1 micron fuel filter and -6 AN lines

STi pink injectors

Walbro 255

70mm billet throttlebody, ported to match manifold

TGV deletes

crawford o/a seperator

Greddy type R bov



Suspension/drivetrain/brakes

JIC FLT A2 coils with 10k springs

Cusco rear trailing arms

Cusco rear lateral links

Cusco front sway

Cusco Ti front stb

Cusco Carbon rear stb

Cusco 1.5 front lsd

Cusco verII 4 point brace

Cobb rear sway with hard mounts

Whiteline alk race (caster bushings )

Whiteline rear lock bolts

Whiteline outrigger bush

Whiteline f/r spherical endlinks (STi)

Whiteline roll center kit (new version)

06 Sti front lower arms

06 STi R180 rear diff assy

06 STI front knuckles

6gunn speedo rings

GruppeN trans mount

Ver6 ra gears treated

ACT street lite flywheel and clutch

04 STi front axles

DSS 4 in alum ds

ARP ss 12pt ds bolts and nuts

removed front subframe

removed rear diff lower cover

06 STi brembos

Hawk HPS pads f/r

Stoptech lines

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Enkei NT03 +M 18x9.5 +40 et wheels

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Yoko S-drive 255/35 Hate these but a good street tire


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Old 03-05-2010, 11:20 AM   #32
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which part? That they're illegal or you can ud to the 07 sti ones? If the latter yes it's true because you can ud to them in BSP and those rules carry over to SM
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how much of a difference would this make on an 06 STI?
To mean it seems like they would be about the same, but curious about other peoples thoughts.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:54 PM   #33
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To be honest, I put a set on my friends STI and didn't notice much of a difference at all lol.
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:06 PM   #34
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What is your opinion on the q-rack for auto-x?

Thanks,

Tom
This is one of the things that was added this past winter. But judging from the rack in the Evo that's 13:1 and how everyone else raves about the q-rack I'm going to say it's probably one of the best mods you can do when going through quick transitions.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:18 PM   #35
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Here's a good question. Can you run a VTA external wastegate, or does it need to be plumbed back into the DP?
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:25 PM   #36
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Here's a good question. Can you run a VTA external wastegate, or does it need to be plumbed back into the DP?
This should be fine if its not too loud.
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:42 AM   #37
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This should be fine if its not too loud.
Only reason I ask is the rule that talks about exhaust being vented behind the driver. If they don't consider a wastegate as exhaust then I'd be surprised.
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:49 AM   #38
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You can just run the dumptube behind the driver too. But there's a national soundlimit of 100@50ft. VTA wastegate will be over that limit. I routed mine back into the dp(but it was a blast driving around the week I had VTA LOL)
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:07 PM   #39
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Roll Center Correction Kits?
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:12 PM   #40
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+1 for a SM thread! I would love to find out what others are doing compared to me
why? your car is stupid fast already
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:26 PM   #41
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The GC plates are great! When I first put them on with the stock camber bolts I was around -5 degrees in front hahaha. Copied over from my IWSTI journal

Engine Mods
- Custom rotated mount uppipe and downpipe
- Garrett gt3076r .63 ar turbo jethot coated
- Tial 44mm wastegate
- Tial Q BOV
- PTP turbo blanket
- Custom 4" intake
- Gruppe-S equal length header
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- Perrin FMIC with stock bumper beam
- Perrin lightweight crank pulley
- Walbro 255lph fuel pump
- 07 STI top feed fuel rails
- 07 STI tgv deletes
- Hondata intake manifold gaskets
- RC engineering 1200cc injectors
- Full 80mm Magnaflow Ti catback exhaust with Burns Stainless mufflers
- Crawford Performance air/oil separator
- Hydra Nemesis full standalone
- Tune by Mike Warfield(GST Motorsports) on E85 fuel
- Odyssey pc680 battery
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- Ground Control coilovers with Eibach and Hypercoil springs
- koni 8611 double adjustable shocks
- Ground Control camber plates front and rear
- Whiteline 27-29mm swaybar front and rear
- Kartboy rear endlinks
- Group N lateral link bushings
- Superpro trailing arm bushings
- Whiteline roll center adjusters
- Whiteline caster bushings
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- ACT hd street clutch
- ACT streetlight flywheel
- Group N motor and transmission mounts
- TIC race rear differential bushings
- TIC outrigger bushings
- Cusco type rs 1.5 way rear LSD
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- Rolled and pulled front fenders
- Extreme pull on rear fenders
- Passenger side foglight housing
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- Sparco Evo2 driver side seat
- Sparco Pro2000 passenger seat
- Buddyclub super low down seat rail(driver)
- Wedge engineering/Sparco rails/sliders with aluminum sidemounts(passenger)
- Innovate Motorsports LC-1 wideband with XD-16 gauge
- Defi BF boost and oil pressure gauges with controller
- ATI gauge pod
- Rear seat removed
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- SSR Type C RS 18x10.5" with Hoosier A6 295/30/18 tires
- Stoptech front rotors
- Hawk HP+ pads front and rear

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Old 03-11-2010, 03:20 PM   #42
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Roll Center Correction Kits?
Any verdict on this? I was wondering too.
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Old 03-11-2010, 03:36 PM   #43
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KCA313 - Roll centre adjust kit - is designed to raise front roll-centre geometry by using new special ball-joints, while maintaining original bump-steer by using new tierod ends. Changing front suspension geometry by raising roll-centre, results in substantial increase to roll resistance and significant reduction of suspension compression of outside front wheel during cornering through improved weight transfer distribution. During cornering, this leads to significantly reduced understeer through reduced front wheel compression, as well as improved steering feel and precision and vehicle stability.
makes me think no.

but it doesn't change suspension mounting points....
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Old 03-11-2010, 03:42 PM   #44
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Offset bushings change geometry too, but do not change the mounting points, and are allowed. I believe the RCCK fits the rule in the same manner. Might be best to get a clarification from Doug or Brian at the national office, just to be safe.

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Old 03-11-2010, 06:36 PM   #45
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How much does your car weigh Karlton?
3122
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Old 03-12-2010, 12:34 AM   #46
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makes me think no.

but it doesn't change suspension mounting points....
My view is that it is legal.

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Suspension components are unrestricted as long as they use the original attachment points. For the purposes of this rule, “suspension” is defined as any item that is designed to move when a wheel is deflected vertically. This includes shocks and struts, control arms, steering knuckles, uprights, etc., but not tie rods, steering racks, and subframes. In addition, shock absorber/strut upper mounts are to be considered suspension components.
The balljoint appears to fall into the suspension category along with the control arms and knuckle/uprights.

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Steering components, including the steering rack and/or box, tie rods, idler arms, power assist devices, and related components, may be replaced, added, moved, or removed. The steering column, within the passenger compartment, is specifically excluded from this allowance. This does not permit removal or modification of column-mounted accessories. Wheel-mounted electrical switches such as those for the horn, radio, cruise control, or shifter may be relocated and/or replaced, or eliminated.
This makes the tie rods ok to install, despite exclusion in 16.1.E. Doug/Brian will be the final word though.
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I know that the Leiber Evo has them on and it passed impound for two years at nationals now. That should be more than enough of a thumbs up for the RCCK.
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Woah!

My car is 2700lbs with speakers, headunit, and a huge battery. (mostly due to the L roof/headliner and aluminum hood.)
Personally I think I'm going to build it with 275s in mind.

Eventually I'll try to get more lighter things like L-arms, lateral arms Aluminum, etc. I have a PC680 ready to be put in, just have been too lazy to figure out the right size J-hooks I need to mount it.

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I know that the Leiber Evo has them on and it passed impound for two years at nationals now. That should be more than enough of a thumbs up for the RCCK.
here is a quote from the bsp thread and i believe are referring to the BSP EVO?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...r#post16920041


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Interesting you mention them going lower- Whiteline has come out w/ a roll center kit for the EVO (balljoint extender/tie rod ends). Their comments were that the EVO "suffered" more than the Impreza when lowered- thus their decision to build that kit first.

Obviously such a kit wouldn't be SP legal, but thought Whitelines comments concerning roll centers- EVO vs Impreza interesting.

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Woah!

My car is 2700lbs with speakers, headunit, and a huge battery. (mostly due to the L roof/headliner and aluminum hood.)
Personally I think I'm going to build it with 275s in mind.

Eventually I'll try to get more lighter things like L-arms, lateral arms Aluminum, etc. I have a PC680 ready to be put in, just have been too lazy to figure out the right size J-hooks I need to mount it.
I'd agree with the 275 size tire. Do the 275/35/15's if you can. With a 2.0 turbo you'd have a minimum weight of 2620. The 285 puts you ad 2820.

Mine being an RS to start with is at 2900 with the 6-speed, brembos, and sunroof. I was tempted for a while to loose the heavy stuff, but I'm in using 285's so no real reason

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here is a quote from the bsp thread and i believe are referring to the BSP EVO?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...r#post16920041
The kit is definitely not SP legal, but the way I read the rules they are allowed in SM and lots of other SM competitors are using them that I know of.
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