Formula 1 2024

[torquemada]

another snoozefest

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[MrH]

Yep.
Another laughter by RedBull.
And I heard that they are bringing big updates at Japan or Imola.

[MrH]

Result of the STC Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.
Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 50 1h 20:43.273
2 Perez Red Bull 50 + 0:13.643
3 Leclerc Ferrari 50 + 0:18.639
4 Piastri McLaren 50 + 0:32.007
5 Alonso Aston Martin 50 + 0:35.759
6 Russell Mercedes 50 + 0:39.936
7 Bearman Ferrari 50 + 0:42.679
8 Norris McLaren 50 + 0:45.708
9 Hamilton Mercedes 50 + 0:47.391
10 Hulkenberg Haas 50 + 1:16.996
11 Albon Williams 50 + 1:28.354
12 Magnussen Haas 50 + 1:45.737
13 Ocon Alpine 49 + 1 Lap
14 Tsunoda RB 49 + 1 Lap
15 Sargeant Williams 49 + 1 Lap
16 Ricciardo RB 49 + 1 Lap
17 Bottas Stake 49 + 1 Lap
18 Zhou Stake 49 + 1 Lap
Stroll Aston Martin 5 Accident
Gasly Alpine 1 Transmission

Another blitz by RedBull
!8 year old Bearman 7th
Hulk 10th.
Did Haas solve their tyre issue?
A Stake stinker. Good luck Audi.
Is Hamilton mailing it in.
Took the stewards 15 laps to figure out if Norris jumped the start.
Little lazy with deploying the SC on Stroll's crash.

[JZX_prez]

Man, this new Haas driver Bearman seems promising.

Seriously, there's way too much talent and not enough seats, but that's another discussion. Good on him for getting some points.

[dwf137]

Bearman killed it. Would be surprised if he didn't end up in a seat for Haas next year. He clearly has the chops, as long as the car is good enough.

Still waiting for Lawson to get his seat too. With Ric's performance so far, I'm wondering if that happens maybe after summer break.

[MrH]

Albon destroys his car beyond repair during practice 1.
Been given Sargent's car for the race.

[MrH]

Times from today's qualifying session for the Rolex Australian Grand Prix.


Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 1:15.915 155.523 mph
2 Sainz Ferrari 1:16.185 0.270
4 Norris McLaren 1:16.315 0.400
5 Leclerc Ferrari 1:16.435 0.520
6 Piastri McLaren 1:16.572 0.657
3 Perez Red Bull 1:16.274 0.359
7 Russell Mercedes 1:16.724 0.809
8 Tsunoda RB 1:16.788 0.873
9 Stroll Aston Martin 1:17.072 1.157
10 Alonso Aston Martin 1:17.552 1.637
11 Hamilton Mercedes 1:16.960
12 Albon Williams 1:17.167
13 Bottas Stake 1:17.340
14 Magnussen Haas 1:17.427
15 Ocon Alpine 1:17.697
16 Hulkenberg Haas 1:17.976
17 Gasly Alpine 1:17.982
18 Ricciardo RB 1:18.085
19 Zhou Stake 1:18.188

[MrH]

After 43 races Mad Max is out of the race.
Loosk like brake failure.

So a different winner for a change.

[MrH]

Ferrari 1-2
McLaren 3-4

Russel big crash on lat lap.
Haas 9-10

[MrH]

Result of the Rolex Australian Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Sainz Ferrari 58 1h 20:26.843
2 Leclerc Ferrari 58 + 0:02.366
3 Norris McLaren 58 + 0:05.904
4 Piastri McLaren 58 + 0:35.770
5 Perez Red Bull 58 + 0:56.309
6 Stroll Aston Martin 58 + 1:33.222
7 Tsunoda RB 58 + 1:35.601
8 Alonso Aston Martin 58 + 1:20.992
9 Hulkenberg Haas 58 + 1:44.553
10 Magnussen Haas 57 + 1 Lap
11 Albon Williams 57 + 1 Lap
12 Ricciardo RB 57 + 1 Lap
13 Gasly Alpine 57 + 1 Lap
14 Bottas Stake 57 + 1 Lap
15 Zhou Stake 57 + 1 Lap
16 Ocon Alpine 57 + 1 Lap
17 Russell Mercedes 56 + 2 Laps
Hamilton Mercedes 15 Engine
Verstappen Red Bull 3 Brakes
Fastest Lap: Leclerc (Ferrari) 1:19.813 (Lap 56)

Alonso gets a 20 second penalty for causing Russell's crash. (Did he brake check Russell ?)
Stake again has whell nut issues.
Haas is no longer the worst team. Its between Stake and Alpine

[blurred]

Yes, he brake checked Russell , at least that was my immediate thought from the onboard.
Normally youd let up a little or a quick brake tap when they are close together to slow him just as he is about to accelerate to give yourself a better gap. But this was a big reduction of speed up to the apex and very poor form, I think because Russell was so far back at that point he completely misjudged but wanted to slow him up so badly he still went for it.

Should have been a larger penalty in my mind because it was a very dirty trick.

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[MrH]

https://www.racefans.net/2024/03/24/...erous-driving/

Fernando Alonso has fallen two places in the finishing positions for the Australian Grand Prix after the stewards penalised him for his driving prior to George Russell's crash.




The stewards ruled Alonso slowed significantly early for turn six in a manner they considered "potentially dangerous". Russell, who was following him at the time, closed suddenly on Alonso and crashed, though the pair did not make contact.
Alonso told the stewards he altered his approach to turn six in an attempt to improve his exit from it. They determined he backed off 100 metres earlier than usual for the corner and touched the brakes twice.

While accepting Alonso had the right to attempt a different approach to the corner while under pressure from Russell, the stewards ruled he reduced his speed by so much put brought him in breach of rules which forbid driving "unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous."

Alonso was given a drive-through penalty, which, as it is applied after the race, adds 20 seconds to his time, dropping him to eighth in the final classification. He was also given three penalty points on his licence.
The Aston Martin driver criticised the decision, saying other drivers would have done the same as him.

"I wanted to maximise my exit speed from turn six to defend against him," he said. "That's what any racing driver would do, and I didn't feel it was dangerous.

"It's disappointing to get a penalty from the stewards for what was hard but fair racing. Still, I'm glad that George is okay. It was not nice to see his car in the middle of the track."

The stewards heard from the driver of car 63 (George Russell), the driver of car 14 (Fernando Alonso), team representatives and reviewed positioning/marshalling system data, video, telemetry, team radio, in-car video evidence and telemetry supplied by both teams.

Car 63 crashed at the exit to turn six on lap 57. The stewards have extensively reviewed the situation that occurred prior to the crash.

Car 63 (George Russell) was following Car 14 (Fernando Alonso) approximately 0.5 seconds behind as the cars approached turn six. Alonso explained to the stewards that he intended to approach turn six differently, lifting earlier, and with less speed into the corner, to get a better exit. Russell explained to the stewards that from his perspective, Alonso's manoeuvre was erratic, took him by surprise and caused him to close distance unusually fast, and with the resulting lower downforce at the apex of the corner, he lost control and crashed at the exit of the corner. There was no contact
between the cars.

Telemetry shows that Alonso lifted slightly more than 100m earlier than he ever had going into that corner during the race. He also braked very slightly at a point that he did not usually brake (although the amount of brake was so slight that it was not the main reason for his car slowing) and he downshifted at a point he never usually downshifted. He then upshifted again, and accelerated to the corner before lifting again to make the corner. Alonso explained that while his plan was to slow earlier, he got it slightly wrong and had to take extra steps to get back up to speed. Nonetheless,
this manoeuvre created a considerable and unusual closing speed between the cars.



In considering the matter the stewards focused solely on the wording of the regulation which states "At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person." (Art 33.4)

Specifically, in this case, the stewards have not considered the consequences of the crash. Further, the stewards considered that they do not have sufficient information to determine whether Alonso's manoeuvre was intended to cause Russell problems, or whether as he stated to the stewards that he simply was trying to get a better exit.

Should Alonso have the right to try a different approach to the corner? - yes.

Should Alonso be responsible for dirty air, that ultimately caused the incident? - no.

However, did he choose to do something, with whatever intent, that was extraordinary, i.e. lifting, braking, downshifting and all the other elements of the manoeuvre over 100m earlier than previously, and much greater than was needed to simply slow earlier for the corner? - yes by his own account of the incident he did, and in the opinion of the stewards by doing these things, he drove in a manner that was at very least "potentially dangerous" given the very high speed nature of that point of the
track.

This season, the FIA Formula 1 penalty guidelines, including for this breach have been reset and increased to a baseline of a 10s penalty. In addition, when there is some aggravating circumstance, we consider a drive-through penalty. In this case we consider that Alonso affirmatively choosing to perform an unusual manoeuvre at this point to be an aggravating circumstance, as opposed to a simple mistake. The stewards therefore order a drive through penalty, which will be converted to 20 seconds added to car 14's elapsed time, along with three penalty points.

[MrH]

Times from today's qualifying session for the MSC Cruises Japanese Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 1:28.197 147.287 mph
2 Perez Red Bull 1:28.263 0.066
3 Norris McLaren 1:28.489 0.292
4 Sainz Ferrari 1:28.682 0.485
5 Alonso Aston Martin 1:28.686 0.489
6 Piastri McLaren 1:28.760 0.563
7 Hamilton Mercedes 1:28.766 0.569
8 Leclerc Ferrari 1:28.786 0.589
9 Russell Mercedes 1:29.008 0.811
10 Tsunoda RB 1:29.413 1.216
11 Ricciardo RB 1:29.472
12 Hulkenberg Haas 1:29.494
13 Bottas Stake 1:29.593
14 Albon Williams 1:29.714
15 Ocon Alpine 1:29.816
16 Stroll Aston Martin 1:30.024
17 Gasly Alpine 1:30.119
18 Magnussen Haas 1:30.131
19 Sargeant Williams 1:30.139
20 Zhou Stake 1:30.143

[hi5.0]

Yep, after the hiccup in Australia, RB back to being untouchabull. Let's see who gets time penalties this time around should RUS crash out (esp. on the last lap). Wanting TSU to grab some points or even somehow podium.

[MrH]

RedFlag on 1st lap already. Looks like a long night
Riccardo-Albon
Not good for Riccardo's future.
Another wrecked chasis for Williams.( F1gods are frowning on them for not carrying a spare )

[MrH]

Result of the MSC Cruises Japanese Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 53 1hr 54:23.566
2 Perez Red Bull 53 + 0:12.535
3 Sainz Ferrari 53 + 0:20.866
4 Leclerc Ferrari 53 + 0:26.522
5 Norris McLaren 53 + 0:29.700
6 Alonso Aston Martin 53 + 0:44.272
7 Russell Mercedes 53 + 0:45.951
8 Piastri McLaren 53 + 0:47.525
9 Hamilton Mercedes 53 + 0:48.626
10 Tsunoda RB 52 + 1 Lap
11 Hulkenberg Haas 52 + 1 Lap
12 Stroll Aston Martin 52 + 1 Lap
13 Magnussen Haas 52 + 1 Lap
14 Bottas Stake 52 + 1 Lap
15 Ocon Alpine 52 + 1 Lap
16 Gasly Alpine 52 + 1 Lap
17 Sargeant Williams 52 + 1 Lap
Zhou Stake 12 Drivetrain
Ricciardo RB 0 Accident
Albon Williams 0 Accident

Mercedes keep going backwards
Another stinker by Alpine

[hi5.0]

Glad for Tsunoda today. Kind of bad look for MB when the customer teams are doing better even just slightly so, given their driver lineup. Bet Hamilton wishes he were in a Ferrari already every time he gets passed by one. Glad Alonso kept clear of Russell to the end too. Thought for sure Piastri would incur some kind of penalty for not rolling over and just giving the position away...

[MrH]

Times from today's Shootout for the Lenovo Chinese Grand Prix Sprint.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Norris McLaren 1:57.940 103.390 mph
2 Hamilton Mercedes 1:59.201 1.261
3 Alonso Aston Martin 1:59.915 1.975
4 Verstappen Red Bull 2:00.028 2.088
5 Sainz Ferrari 2:00.214 2.274
6 Perez Red Bull 2:00.375 2.435
7 Leclerc Ferrari 2:00.566 2.626
8 Piastri McLaren 2:00.990 3.050
9 Bottas Stake 2:01.044 3.104
10 Zhou Stake 2:03.537 5.597
11 Russell Mercedes 1:36.345
12 Magnussen Haas 1:36.473
13 Hulkenberg Haas 1:36.478
14 Ricciardo RB 1:36.553
15 Stroll Aston Martin 1:36.677
16 Gasly Alpine 1:37.632
17 Ocon Alpine 1:37.720
18 Albon Williams 1:37.812
19 Tsunoda RB 1:37.892
20 Sargeant Williams 1:37.923

[MrH]

Result of the Lenovo Chinese Grand Prix Sprint.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 19 32:04.660
2 Hamilton Mercedes 19 + 0:13.043
3 Perez Red Bull 19 + 0:15.258
4 Leclerc Ferrari 19 + 0:17.486
5 Sainz Ferrari 19 + 0:20.696
6 Norris McLaren 19 + 0:22.088
7 Piastri McLaren 19 + 0:24.713
8 Russell Mercedes 19 + 0:25.696
9 Zhou Stake 19 + 0:31.951
10 Magnussen Haas 19 + 0:37.398
11 Ricciardo RB 19 + 0:37.840
12 Bottas Stake 19 + 0:38.295
13 Ocon Alpine 19 + 0:39.841
14 Stroll Aston Martin 19 + 0:40.299
15 Gasly Alpine 19 + 0:40.838
16 Tsunoda RB 19 + 0:41.870
17 Albon Williams 19 + 0:42.998
18 Sargeant Williams 19 + 0:46.352
19 Hulkenberg Haas 19 + 0:49.630
Alonso Aston Martin 17 Retired


Max kills it. Is this a sign of Sunday's race?
good drive by Lewis
Norris botches the first couple of turns.

[MrH]

Times from today's qualifying session for the Lenovo Chinese Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 1:33.660 130.193 mph
2 Perez Red Bull 1:33.982 0.322
3 Alonso Aston Martin 1:34.148 0.488
4 Norris McLaren 1:34.165 0.505
5 Piastri McLaren 1:34.273 0.613
6 Leclerc Ferrari 1:34.289 0.629
7 Sainz Ferrari 1:34.297 0.637
8 Russell Mercedes 1:34.433 0.773
9 Hulkenberg Haas 1:34.604 0.944
10 Bottas Stake 1:34.665 1.005
11 Stroll Aston Martin 1:34.838
12 Ricciardo RB 1:34.934
13 Ocon Alpine 1:35.223
14 Albon Williams 1:35.241
15 Gasly Alpine 1:35.463
16 Zhou Stake 1:35.505
17 Magnussen Haas 1:35.516
18 Hamilton Mercedes 1:35.573
19 Tsunoda RB 1:35.746
20 Sargeant Williams 1:36.358

[MrH]

Result of the Lenovo Chinese Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 56 1hr 40:52.554
2 Norris McLaren 56 + 0:13.773
3 Perez Red Bull 56 + 0:19.160
4 Leclerc Ferrari 56 + 0:23.623
5 Sainz Ferrari 56 + 0:33.983
6 Russell Mercedes 56 + 0:38.724
7 Alonso Aston Martin 56 + 0:43.414
8 Piastri McLaren 56 + 0:56.198
9 Hamilton Mercedes 56 + 0:57.986
10 Hulkenberg Haas 56 + 1:00.476
11 Ocon Alpine 56 + 1:02.812
12 Albon Williams 56 + 1:05.506
13 Gasly Alpine 56 + 1:09.223
14 Zhou Stake 56 + 1:11.689
15 Stroll Aston Martin 56 + 1:22.786
16 Magnussen Haas 56 + 1:27.533
17 Sargeant Williams 56 + 1:35.110
Ricciardo RB 33 Accident Damage
Tsunoda RB 26 Retired
Bottas Stake 19 Engin

[hi5.0]

Was waiting to see if ALO would be penalized for "brake checking" the line of cars following and "causing" the crash in anticipation of the restart. You know, because the drivers behind don't have to pay attention to those in front it seems. If anyone needs to lose a seat besides RIC it would be the one who crashed into him. I'm interested to see if SAR could do better in the AM vs STR in the Williams.

[340Duster]

Again the two drivers that I pull for end up retiring both before halfway

I really do think the penalties should be different if a drivers error causes another driver to retire.

[MrH]

Starting to feel sorry for Sargent.
First he had to give ou his car to Albona few races ago.
Now he gets this lame ass 10 second penalty for overtaking Hulk. He was actually doing pretty good during the race. (12th?).
He said nobody told him to give back the position to Hulk while they were behind the saftey car. So instesd the FIA gets a bug up their butts and start handing out a bunch of lame penalties.

[torquemada]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlGu2pL8Ork

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlGu2pL8Ork