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08-30-2011, 04:53 PM | #1 | |
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BMW vows no power loss with 4-cylinder U.S. sedan revival
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08-30-2011, 06:35 PM | #2 |
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More worried about the reliability loss than the power loss.
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08-30-2011, 06:58 PM | #3 |
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Here's a thought: make the cars lighter first.
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08-30-2011, 07:03 PM | #4 |
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Would be nice to have a 1 series with the 4cyl, manual transmission, at $30k OTD.
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08-30-2011, 07:29 PM | #5 | |
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08-30-2011, 08:40 PM | #6 |
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With the current population demanding larger vehicles with more stuff (leather, tons of heavy electronics, etc) there is just no way this will happen. It sucks, but until everyone wants smaller cars, smaller cars will not be produced as bread and butter.
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08-30-2011, 08:49 PM | #7 |
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By all means, how about offering suggestions, rather than sweeping claims.
With consumer-demanded equipment, government-mandated equipment/safety standards, etc., how do you suggest they lower the weight of the cars without adding money to the bottom line? We'll wait. Blame the consumers for wanting larger vehicles, with useless gadgets. Blame the government for telling us how safe our cars must be. |
08-30-2011, 11:04 PM | #8 |
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not sure why the article mentions audi/vw bringing new turbo engines to the us market. they've been using the same tired, old turbo 4 for like the last 14,000 years with few changes -- kind of like subaru
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08-30-2011, 11:39 PM | #9 |
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Well they can't make the cars smaller because nobody will buy them--lots of people are downsizing from SUV's back to 4 door sedans. And they have to meet safety standards and have minimum features that people expect. So things start getting expensive real quick. Aluminum and especially carbon fiber are way more expensive than steel.
I'm sure they've run the numbers and tried to find a balance between powertrain changes and weight reduction. The trend of increasing weight is slowing down, and some vehicles are actually getting lighter. |
08-30-2011, 11:42 PM | #10 |
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That's not a good comparison. VW is huge compared to Subaru and they do have more engines. I'm also pretty sure that they have redesigned them more frequently than Subaru, which developed the EJ series 20 years ago.
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08-31-2011, 08:25 AM | #11 | |
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08-31-2011, 03:14 PM | #12 | |
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Who cares if they offer a turbo 4 banger in the 5 series. The 1 and 3 series are their biggest sellers. In the US at least, BMW's "ultimate driving machine" slogan lost it's meaning with the death of the 318ti . |
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08-31-2011, 03:20 PM | #13 |
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08-31-2011, 09:06 PM | #15 |
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BMW may screw them-self royally this time by switching to 4 cyl across the line. The guy buying the Z4 might ok with it, but regular buyers may bark at the not so smooth and not that much more fuel efficient twin turbo 4cyl engine. Then there is the nightmare of used BMW buyers dealing with replacement cost of the twin turbo set up, which will drive down BMW currently good resale values. Troubles, troubles..
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09-01-2011, 12:40 AM | #17 | |
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And 318ti are super rare especially for one that is still running(without a blown headgasket) and has a 5spd. I've been checking. Although considering their age you would think you should be able to at least get a M series or Clubsport for $5k but nooo. Try $7k for a '95 clubsport . Just saying, BMW already has fuel efficient, lightweight, drivers' cars in Europe. But they don't sell them here. Putting a small turbo engine in their bigger sedans is not going to endear them to Americans. If anything they should be improving their 1 series or the 3 series instead of the 5 series. I must be reading the wrong sales and market reports . |
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Bring back the 2002ti, big greenhouse glass, short overhangs, and smaller than my '05 Honda Civic.
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09-01-2011, 02:04 PM | #20 | |
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Whatever, 10 years ago there was a spoiled chick in my highschool who had one. It's fugly and slow. |
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09-01-2011, 02:53 PM | #21 | |
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As you can see the BMW compacts still aren't attractive. And a 4 banger BMW doesn't need to be fast, when it's competition is Corollas, Civics, and Foci . Anyway, Len are there any more pics where that one came from? |
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09-07-2011, 05:53 PM | #22 | |
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09-08-2011, 10:33 AM | #23 |
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If you can afford a BMW (or other luxury brand) you can afford to pay for the gas.
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09-08-2011, 10:41 AM | #24 | |
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The really affluent drivers didn't get affluent by blowing money on gas guzzlers. A lot of luxury car drivers, mostly the less-flashy type of people, are more frugal than you think. |
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09-08-2011, 11:09 AM | #25 |
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you think so? the I6's are extremely torquey. good for them if they can pull that off, but it won't be a small task.
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