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07-11-2013, 12:40 PM | #601 |
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Is this a real question? Do you think it's even remotely possible that the answer is that radar, lights, and GPS is a liability?
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07-11-2013, 12:42 PM | #602 |
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07-11-2013, 12:47 PM | #603 |
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Maybe the pilot was texting
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07-11-2013, 12:47 PM | #604 | |
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Looking back, I should have just said "I learned to speed from you..." and been done with it. I think she laughed so hard I didn't get in trouble. |
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07-11-2013, 12:49 PM | #605 | |
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07-11-2013, 12:51 PM | #606 |
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Those rules came out after the Buffalo Colgan crash and are very much needed. I'm getting my ATP this summer so once I'm done with military flying, I'm all set for the airlines.
Agreed. However, company policy (at Delta for example) is that with autothrottles engaged, you keep your hand on the power levers to make sure the system is responding and the levers are moving. There was a crash in Europe a while ago where they engaged autothrottles on climbout, one of the throttles jammed and the other went to full power to keep the airspeed up. The pilots had no idea what happened since neither of them were paying attention to the actually power levers and they departed the airplane and killed everyone. |
07-11-2013, 12:53 PM | #607 |
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07-11-2013, 12:54 PM | #608 |
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07-11-2013, 01:03 PM | #609 |
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07-11-2013, 01:06 PM | #610 |
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07-11-2013, 01:06 PM | #611 | |
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07-11-2013, 01:09 PM | #612 |
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Go watch the Children of Magenta youtube video.
When you engage autothrottles, you dial in a speed for the system to maintain. On climbout, they set the speed and engaged the autothrottles. Only one of the levers moved and continued to move until it was at max power to keep the aircraft on speed. This differential thrust induced a huge rolling moment that they couldn't counteract with the ailerons. The aircraft departed controlled flight and boom. If one of them had kept their hands on the throttles, they would have noticed one of the levers not responding and would have disengaged autothrottles. Hell, if one of them ever took the time to look at the throttle quadrant and look at the engine instruments, they would've seen the split and pulled back the engine that was at full power. |
07-11-2013, 01:10 PM | #613 |
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Flew over it last night. Nothing better then flying in a plane looking down at a plane crash. The story has it that the glide scope has been down for some time and SFO. |
07-11-2013, 01:13 PM | #614 |
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07-11-2013, 01:16 PM | #615 |
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07-11-2013, 01:22 PM | #616 | |
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My friend crashed and was killed right next to the runway 2 years ago. I had to fly over the wreckage for 2 weeks before they moved it all. And even then you could still see the gouge in the ground. |
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07-11-2013, 01:40 PM | #617 | |
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The more jam packed the airspace will be. ATC doesn't like giving slam dunk approaches, but a lot of times we can't help it because of the sheer volume of what's going on. The traffic load just seems to get more dense while the airspace seems to be getting smaller and smaller, meanwhile we've got to follow ****ty noise abatement rules and thinks of that nature. Automation for us just takes out the time we'd normally spend writing out a strip and figuring out who you are and what you want for the most part. |
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07-11-2013, 02:02 PM | #618 | |
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07-11-2013, 02:06 PM | #619 |
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'Cougar, you're at 3/4 of a mile, way below glide path, call the ball...'
Well, nobody called the ball, so it dropped. |
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07-11-2013, 02:26 PM | #622 |
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Maybe the crew was dazed and their first thought was... lets not send people out the plane and into what might still be running engines.
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07-11-2013, 02:26 PM | #623 | |
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Look at the last twenty years of aviation mishaps. How many were caused by ATC versus by pilot error or inability to follow ATC direction? How many near disasters have been prevented by ATC? Maybe I'm reading between the lines too much. I dunno. |
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07-11-2013, 02:31 PM | #624 |
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07-11-2013, 02:33 PM | #625 |
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