|
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
04-02-2002, 08:06 AM | #1 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 10625
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Tampa
Vehicle:2002 WRX Black - TXS Stg 4+ |
New Article on STi vs. EVO VII
Just got my May edition of Automobile magazine, and there is a road test of the EVO VII and STi. They are Euro models, so no direct comparison of what will show up here. Couple things may be off for US models, like the EVO was $7K more, and the STi had 14hp less. The driving impressions were interesting -- be warned, they liked the EVO better.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
|
04-02-2002, 05:43 PM | #2 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 13920
Join Date: Jan 2002
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Austin, TX
Vehicle:2006 WRX CGM |
ya, I was pretty surprised to see that they liked the EVO more, but it was $7000 more. I wish they were the same as what we got here, the waiting is going to put me into depression.
|
04-02-2002, 05:49 PM | #3 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2929
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: www.SQC-NY.com
|
its a tuffy to choose... i guess i would need to test drive both and see which one feels better
|
04-02-2002, 07:55 PM | #4 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 6788
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Stamford, CT 06902
Vehicle:2014 991 Turbo S 2007 997 Turbo |
So far from what i've seen from any real car source the EVO is the better car hands down - will i buy one - yes
|
04-02-2002, 08:06 PM | #5 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 8943
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: San Marcos, TX
Vehicle:2006 MINI + Corvette Both Blue |
All the "less than glowing" remarks they made about the STi can easily be "fixed" with proper tuning (improve the suspension, beef up the brakes, and do the normal things to give you more horsepower and torque across the entire band). If you put their article in the context of most of the STi versus Evo comparisons, a similar theme comes through ... they will say the Evo is a more banzaii kind of driving experience, whereas the STi is more well rounded. All of them say that both cars are truly a blast to drive, and that they represent incredible value, especially when compared to much more expensive and dedicated sports cars. As for me and my WRX, it is continuing to prove very rewarding as both my daily driver and weekend warrior!
GoodFinder |
04-02-2002, 08:17 PM | #6 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 16465
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Kingwood, Texas
Vehicle:02 wrx , 94 300zx Silver |
Oh well topgear mag
I saw a Topgear video clip on the evo 7 and the sti wrx. Its the European "motor trend" They picked the wrx over the Lancer in every catagory
|
04-02-2002, 10:41 PM | #7 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5489
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: The Empire of Seattle
Vehicle:2013 FR-S AVO Orange |
Quote:
What's better in the Evo VII - the engine and center differential. Inline 4's have more development dollars into them than flat fours, and it shows. What's better in the STI. Chassis, suspension, transmission, durability. The 6-speed is better, the suspension actually shows signs of having been tuned for something besides the track, the chassis is based on the WRX turbo, not a FWD Lancer Cedia, and shows by having some actual stiffness, and the car overall is much more reliable. Yes, if you are trying to build a dragstrip-only monster, it will be faster than the STI. If you are at the track, well, it's no longer king there. On real roads, IMO it's STI all the way, unless you actually like bouncing over literally every bump in the road. Paul Hansen |
|
04-03-2002, 12:30 AM | #8 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 13920
Join Date: Jan 2002
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: Austin, TX
Vehicle:2006 WRX CGM |
haha iceman, I have that same video from topgear and tiff picks the sti over the evo, and tiff loved the mad driving of the sti. but then I read the automobile article and they said that the pure driving experience went to the evo like GoodFinder says.
not sure if feeling bumps does anything for me as long as it doesnt effect my car i'll feel every bump in the road all day. i am so confused now on what i will get. if the evo is $7000 more than the sti like the UK version it may not be worth it...to me. alfriedsq...you may want to watch the tif video, because he is the man, and a very credible source. |
04-03-2002, 07:04 AM | #9 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2487
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: VA
Vehicle:2013 BRZ Satin Pearl White |
Quote:
Another unbeliever, I drove an Evo V, that is one fast car, buit to win on the track and yes it is still the king on the track (Cyber Evo). |
|
04-03-2002, 08:47 PM | #10 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5489
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: The Empire of Seattle
Vehicle:2013 FR-S AVO Orange |
Quote:
I've driven an Evo VII. Yes, it's great - for the track. On road manners left me cold. And for the track, once Subaru played by Mitsubishi's rules, their Type C is also great, in fact it seems to be better. But for people in the states, it's a moot point - it's the versions that are sold in the states that will matter the most. Paul Hansen |
|
04-04-2002, 07:31 AM | #11 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2487
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: VA
Vehicle:2013 BRZ Satin Pearl White |
Quote:
Are you saying Cyber Evo got beat by the Zero Sports GDB?! What was the time on Tsukuba Circuit for the Zero Sports?? I thought the record is still set by Cyber Evo. |
|
04-04-2002, 10:59 AM | #12 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 4568
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: 603 whp / EJ207
Vehicle:10.7 @ 136, '02 WRX 12.8 @ 112, '09 spec.B |
I was under the impression that the EVO tested was a "VERY GREY" market jap spec import (280)....and that the STi was a fully legal Euro spec 261hp model....
Not a fair comparo in my eyes... Jap Spec to Jap Spec, thats what I want to see.... 280hp vs 280hp. then lets see what conclusions they draw..... def |
04-04-2002, 11:59 AM | #13 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 13742
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Los Angeles -- was Santa Cruz
Vehicle:2002 Impreza WRX WR Blue |
Apples to Oranges
Jeez, they are both awesome cars -- if you have either one I'm sure you'll be happy. I know I am with my WRX. Now for the STI and EVO.. enie meanie minie moe...
Richard |
04-04-2002, 01:33 PM | #14 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 4568
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: 603 whp / EJ207
Vehicle:10.7 @ 136, '02 WRX 12.8 @ 112, '09 spec.B |
yeah.... apples to oranges.... sure....
both AWD both Turbo both 4 cyl both 2.0l displacement both have very similiar power output both 4 doors both have cool spoilers both have cool FUNCTIONAL hood vents both compete in the WRC both have rally derived handling both have great brakes both weight 3085lbs Yeah completely different.... there couldn't be 2 more different vehicles......yeah.... If these 2 cars (EVO/WRX) aren't fruits of the same tree of thought, than I dont know what is. I mean the Camaro and Mustang dont even have as much in commom as these 2 do!! and they are compared all the time with no disclaimer or dispute.... They are muscle cars... designed to go fast in a straight line. These two, EVO/WRX, are Street driven rally cars.... designed to go fast every where else but straight...it just so happens they do that well too! C'mon..... apples to oranges....not at all..... def |
04-04-2002, 03:16 PM | #15 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 9752
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Berkeley
Vehicle:2002 WRX Wagon Silver |
Quote:
You can make the same argument by modding one car to hell and back while leaving the other stock. Who's going to win? Both cars are still 4wd with 2.0l displacement, but it certainly isn't apples to apples Javabean2 |
|
04-04-2002, 04:27 PM | #16 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 971
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Simpsonville, SC
|
daily driver view point...
first, i will admit that both of these cars are truly great cars. The only the about the EVO is the reliability of Mitshubishi. I have to wonder about the longevity of a $30,000 plus car that has the some of the same engine parts as a 1999 Eclipse turbo, which was well known for crank-walk. Who's to say that a 50,000 miles, the EVO won't do the same thing. Hopfully they have fixed these issues, but the Japanese don't really build sports cars to last 100,000 miles like mine will have to when i get one. Thanks, but no thanks to the EVO. For a daily driver, i will take my chances with the WRX (or an STI )
Jeff |
04-04-2002, 05:08 PM | #17 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 10651
Join Date: Sep 2001
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: www.PoweredbyMario.com
Vehicle:2013 WRX - Silver HB 04STI(sold) 06STI(sold) |
Would you really be disappointed with either?
The general consensus is that the STI is more reliable and has a better tranny. But, if you plan on doing some crazy engine mods the VII is a bit easier to work with... My $.02 |
04-04-2002, 06:26 PM | #18 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 13095
Join Date: Dec 2001
|
Re: daily driver view point...
Quote:
Europe and Japan as far as reliability. My pov: I'm perfectly happy with my Rex, and hopefully will keep for several years. By the time a make a new car decision the Evo 8 will be out against the next version of Sti. As for Sti itself, i'm a little disappointed in the Euro spec versions 259 HP and 3250 curb weight. In order to be radically quicker than the rex it needs another 50 hp or it needs to lose a couple hundred pounds. I've read a couple of reviews now (including automobile mags) than are decidedly less than completely blown away, and I think I can see why. |
|
04-04-2002, 07:22 PM | #19 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 971
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Simpsonville, SC
|
you are probably right strangerq, i haven't really studied this topic too much, i was more or less going off of an old magazine issue i read somewhere.
How close are the 0-60 times, skidpad numbers and so on between the STi and the Evo? Jeff |
04-04-2002, 07:44 PM | #20 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5489
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: The Empire of Seattle
Vehicle:2013 FR-S AVO Orange |
Quote:
The Zero Sport times were not that great - nobody set any records. I'm going off of faulty memory, but it was about .2 of a second faster than the fastest Evo. I think it set a 57.??? in the morning, and a 58.246 in the afternoon quickie where they only had one try for times. The overall record wasn't beat, but then, the conditions were poor (light rain off and on in the morning), conditions may have been better when the record was set. Paul Hansen |
|
04-04-2002, 09:25 PM | #21 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 14703
Join Date: Jan 2002
|
No longer relevant
Last edited by Fat Ugly Soccer Mom; 06-11-2020 at 04:29 PM. Reason: No longer relevant |
04-05-2002, 10:20 AM | #22 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 13095
Join Date: Dec 2001
|
Well the good news/rumor for those waiting for the STI is that
the American version could theoretically be more powerful than the Euro. The Japanese version supposidly produces around 300 horsepower on 100 ron gas. Europe gets only 95 ron and that supposidley more than emissions is why their STI is relatively weak. The US has 98 ron available I think in all 50 states (Cali?), so perhaps 270 or so horsepower would not be out of the question. (octane plus intercooling effects how much boost you can apply before you get detonation) The Euro Wrx for example produces like 10 fewer horsepower than the US spec for that reason I believe. Of course this begs the question of how the Evo is able to maintain closer to Japan spec performance for the Euro version compared to the REX. (is it the FMIC?) |
04-05-2002, 10:42 AM | #23 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 7259
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Western MA
Vehicle:2004 Sti Stone Chip Blue |
I still think reliability is an issue with the Mitsu. The last one I had was a Starion ESI-R, great car as long as you don't drive more than 10 miles a week. I kept it for 13 years and could have bought a Diablo VT for what I paid in repairs, many turbos, 3 engine replacements after snapping crankshafts, blown bearings and the list goes on. This was a completely stock car with only 188 horsepower. I know people with montero's and GSX's that had a lot of problems also. I put 40K miles on my RS last year and don't even have any rattles yet. I'll stick with something I know will last after I abuse it.
|
04-06-2002, 10:59 AM | #24 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 3844
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Vehicle:1993 Legacy 1.8 White |
This 330hp "offical" Sti at Greece will kick EVO's ass on the straight Check here
Well it's an offical Subie dealer and the package is covered under warranty: I suppose Subaru has qualified the 330hp model. Wonder if it fills the space between the EVO's and Sti's price tags. tony |
04-06-2002, 02:53 PM | #25 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 6228
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Buffalo
Vehicle:2017 SS |
Did the magazine say where they got their prices from? After doing a bit of research I couldn't find the pirce difference of $7000. In Japan the difference is approx 500,000 yen, which is 3,000 dollars, and in the UK the difference is $7000 pounds, which is 12,000 dollars diffence.
It will really depend on which pricing scheme we get here to know which is the better car. And as far as saying you could solve all the STi's problems by dumping 7G's into, when you do that you lose your warranty and then all you have is a modified, hard to resell, unwarrantied timebomb. Because if something goes wrong your screwed. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
New Top Gear Sti Vs Evo X | ej257gd | News & Rumors | 84 | 07-25-2013 04:04 PM |
STi vs, Evo VII video from Motors.TV. UK | username | General Community | 5 | 09-29-2003 01:42 AM |
STi vs EVO VII RS Sprint vs Honda 2000 vs Lotus Elise & more | pagel | News & Rumors | 21 | 07-04-2002 01:35 PM |
STi Vs. Evo VII | ebr0t | General Community | 14 | 04-30-2002 08:55 PM |