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Old 01-22-2020, 03:36 PM   #26
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I can't really argue with that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...d_Prix_results

Obviously, the first few years of the turbo hybrid era are incredibly skewed to favor anyone with a Mercedes engine, so they really lucked into those results but as the other engine OEMs have caught up, they've been exposed for what they are. No one should have actually believed they went from scoring 5pts one year to 320pts the next.
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Wtf happened? They go from being challenging (arguably) the best driver in the sport to a bunch of jokers.

I thought I had the answer - but umm I really dont.

I miss JPM - can't help but feel that he got screwed over and is never given the recognition (and necessary hardward and team support) to provide him the results he deserves.
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Although it was before my time, I'm pretty sure the Cosworth and Toyota engines weren't doing them any favors. Add in some middling/questionable driver choices along the way and when you have teams like RBR and Brawn/Merc popping up, Williams really fell off the pace. What's odd is McLaren did as well and were steaming garbage until recently. They finished 9th in the WCC twice in the past 5 years, which is beyond belief for anyone who's followed the sport. Now Williams very nearly went pointless in 2019. A solitary 10th place was their best result all season.

We'll see what happens now with Paddy Lowe gone. Claire's been in charge since 2013 and ignoring the fluke 2014/5 seasons where their Merc engine carried them to podiums over stumbling competitors, they've sunk like a stone ever since.
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I see Ferrari is off on a great start with their 2020 car.

https://www.autobild.de/artikel/form...-16294745.html

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Formula 1: worries at Ferrari - 01/24/2020
Vettel's new car with errors?
According to insider reports, Sebastian Vettel's new Ferrari could have a problem. We have all the background to the new red racer.


D ie problems of Sebastian Vettel seem not to pull off. AUTO BILD MOTORSPORT learned from safe sources within Ferrari : The new car with the code name 671, which will be presented on February 11, is said to have caused engineers to shake their heads in the wind tunnel.

An Italian journalist reported on corresponding problems a week ago. As ABMS has now been confirmed, the data is actually said to be worse than expected. Accordingly, the car could even have a serious error in aerodynamics for this Formula 1 season, which neither the simulation specialists nor the wind tunnel engineers have been able to track down.

It is quite possible that Ferrari wants to design the car's angle of attack based on the Red Bull model. "Using a steep angle of attack on current cars helps you in several areas," explains ex-Jordan designer Gary Anderson. "But if just one little thing is wrong, there is a chain reaction from the front spoiler, which may be blown incorrectly. Then you have a serious problem that is not easy to solve." A brand new Ferrari simulator could help, but it won't be fully operational until spring.

Sebastian Vettel: Does he have to worry about his new Ferrari?
Alone: ​​Ferrari also has to worry in the drive sector. Reason: The automotive authority FIA has, at the insistence of Red Bull and Mercedes dyed in late 2019 gray areas in the range of gasoline flow rate and oil injection black. It was precisely in these areas that the competition accused Ferrari of interpreting the regulations appropriately.
"We are very happy about the clarifications that came. Everyone can benefit from this," said Red Bull team boss Christian Horner .
One thing is certain: It will not be easy for Sebastian Vettel to finally realize his dream and win the title with Ferrari. The pre-season test drives in Barcelona in February (from February 19) will provide initial insights into whether Ferrari was able to react to the problems in the wind tunnel in good time .
The new Ferrari will not be unveiled this time in the factory in Maranello, but in the historic Romolo Valli theater of Reggio Emilia. The Italian tricolor was born there 223 years ago. The new red goddess will be presented on February 11th at 6.30 p.m. Fans can watch on Ferrari's social media channels.
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Racing Point to Aston Martin in 2021.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...troll/4678704/

Racing Point is to become the Aston Martin Formula 1 team from the start of 2021 as part of a new investment deal between the British car manufacturer and Lawrence Stroll.

Following a board meeting of Aston Martin on Thursday night, it was confirmed this morning that a consortium led by Stroll has bought a 16.7 percent stake in the company for £182 million.

In filings that were lodged with the London Stock Exchange on Friday morning that detailed the investment, it was made clear that an ‘enhanced’ F1 involvement for Aston Martin was viewed as essential.

The documents said that as part of this: “Aston Martin Lagonda has entered into a legally binding termsheet under which the Racing Point F1 team will become the Aston Martin F1works team with effect from the 2021 season. This agreement is for a 10-year initial term and Aston Martin Lagonda will receive an economic interest in the team.”


The agreement will include Aston Martin sponsorship from 2021 and for a period of four years, which can then be extended subject to certain conditions.

Before the rebranding of Racing Point, Aston Martin will see out its title sponsorship with Red Bull until the end of this season before that deal terminates.

Although the Red Bull and Aston Martin relationship will end in F1, it was also confirmed that a separate deal between the two companies involving the Valkyrie hypercar will continue until the cars are delivered.

Racing Point has Sergio Perez under a long term contract to the team, with Lawrence Stroll’s son Lance also set to remain at the outfit for the foreseeable future.

The outfit also has a long term deal in place for Mercedes customer engines, with suggestions it could also forge closer technical ties with the German car manufacturer in the future.

While the Stroll investment comes off the back of some tough trading conditions for Aston Martin, the parties involved are optimistic about the deal they have put together.

Stroll said: “On completion of the £500m of fundraising I look forward to working with the Board and management team in Aston Martin Lagonda to review and improve each aspect of the company's operations and marketing; to continue to invest in the development of new models and technologies and to start to rebalance production to prioritise demand over supply.

“I, and my partners, firmly believe that Aston Martin is one of the great global luxury car brands. I believe that this combination of capital and my experience of both the motor industry and building highly successful global brands will mean that, over time, we fulfil Aston Martin Lagonda's potential."

Aston Martin CEO Andy Palmer said: “Mr. Stroll brings strong and proven expertise in both automotive and luxury brands more widely which we believe will be of significant benefit to Aston Martin Lagonda."

He added “We have also announced plans to leverage a new motorsport collaboration with Racing Point to enhance the execution of the plan. I would like to thank Red Bull Racing, who we will continue to sponsor this year, for their partnership and support in us being able to say this today.”

A statement from Red Bull read: "Following the Aston Martin Lagonda announcement earlier today, the Team can confirm that the manufacturer will remain title partner until the end of the 2020 season but this contract will not be extended past the end of the current term.

"Red Bull Racing has agreed to release Aston Martin from its Formula One exclusivity clause which in turn has allowed it to generate the necessary investment required to re-finance and pursue alternative opportunities within the sport.

"We thank Aston Martin for their support over the past four years in which time we have achieved 12 wins, 50 podiums and six pole positions together. We wish Aston Martin’s employees and shareholders all the best for the future and our focus remains on working together throughout the 2020 season and ending our partnership on a high."
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the name Aston Martin will go the same way as the name Lotus
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Early rumors are that MB will end it's support of the Petronas team at the end of 2020, remaining only as a engine supplier. So, the end of the domination in F1 may be at hand...
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so you say there is hope
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That would make sense.

Pull an Audi before they get knocked off.

Makes the sport a bit more of a laughing stock but that die has been caste.
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the CEO denies F1 exit

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/form...ormula-1-exit/

my prediction: if this season starts, and Hamilton still has no contract for 2021, Mercedes as a team will leave.

Ferrari isn´t willing to pay the estimated 46 million dollarbucks for Hamilton per season, yet. But if Vettel and Leclerc still crash into one another Vettel will see his notice of termination, and Hamilton will wear red in 2021 (no other team can afford him).

If Vettel and Leclerc will get along in 2020 (I don´t believe), and earn a championship (driver or team)(I don´t believe), Hamilton will leave F1.
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That would make sense.

Pull an Audi before they get knocked off.

Makes the sport a bit more of a laughing stock but that die has been caste.
That McLaren-Mercedes 2021 deal is starting to make more sense now.


Not quite F1 but:

Honda Vetoes Alonso/Andretti deal for Indy500.

https://racer.com/2020/02/02/honda-v...indy-500-deal/

GP2 engine rant rears it ugly head again.

If two-time Formula 1 world champion Fernando Alonso is going to take another run at completing motor racing’s ‘Triple Crown’ by winning the Indianapolis 500, it will be with a Chevy-powered team.

RACER has learned that the Spaniard, whose name has been heavily linked to a return with the Honda-powered Andretti Autosport team, had the supply deal vetoed at the 11th hour.

After months of speculation, RACER understands that Honda Performance Development sought final clearance from the brand’s global headquarters in Tokyo ahead of the announcement, which was expected to be made last week, only to be told not to proceed with such a deal. Alonso was also in talks to remain with the team after Indy and participate at some of the road course races on the IndyCar schedule.

Multiple calls to Andretti Autosport and Honda to discuss the matter went unreturned.

This leaves the 38-year-old with an unexpected hole on his May calendar to fill with a team aligned with Chevy, the defending Indy 500-winning auto manufacturer. Ongoing efforts to salvage the deal are said to be taking place, but the recent Toyota Dakar rally driver is not expected to be welcomed inside the Honda IndyCar family.

Alonso impressed on his debut for Andretti with Honda in 2017, leading a number of laps before a late engine failure. However, his return last year was with a Chevy-powered McLaren entry due to the breakdown of the McLaren-Honda partnership in Formula 1, with Alonso having been very vocal about the Japanese manufacturer’s deficiencies regarding its power unit.

While McLaren has returned full-time to IndyCar in partnership with Schmidt Peterson as part of Arrow McLaren SP — again with Chevy power — Alonso was poised to race for Andretti in May, with a deal lined up and waiting be announced.

Alonso has been racing in numerous categories since leaving F1 at the end of 2018, including for Toyota in the World Endurance Championship and the Dakar rally, but wanted the most competitive seat possible as he goes in search of the Triple Crown. Having won the Monaco Grand Prix in 2006 and 2007, and the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 2018, taming the famed Indianapolis Motor Speedway with a victory at the 500-mile IndyCar event serves as the last leg to complete among the three great racing events.

Last year’s Indy 500 attempt saw Alonso fail to qualify, and he has since left McLaren having been an ambassador for the company through 2019.


Who will fill the unexpected Andretti vacancy at Indy? Image by LAT

The decision by Honda also leaves the perennial Indy 500 favorites at Andretti with a coveted seat to fill.

The unexpected reversal with Alonso, where a full complement of sponsors had been arranged by the team, should lead to a stampede of interested drivers seeking to claim the entry. Among the leading names to consider, former Arrow McLaren SP pilot James Hinchcliffe has an assembly of backers, a strong relationship with Honda, and a need to secure a team to run his month of May program. Hinchcliffe drove for Andretti’s team, where he won three of his six career IndyCar races, from 2012-2014.

Former Andretti Autosport Indy 500 driver Stefan Wilson, who last drove for the team at the Speedway in 2018 and finished 15th, is also known to be chasing a competitive seat for the race. Add in some of the other Indy 500 specialists, including former Andretti driver Carlos Munoz, and the veteran Oriol Servia, and Andretti will have an abundance of options to consider.

For Alonso, few opportunities remain unclaimed among competitive Chevy teams.

Team Penske has maintained it plans to run no more than the four cars it will enter. The front-running Ed Carpenter Racing team has its three-car effort in place, and does not intend to add a fourth this year.

Of the remaining Chevy teams to pursue, Arrow McLaren SP, Dreyer & Reinbold Racing, DragonSpeed, Juncos Racing, and A.J. Foyt Racing are the only known Indy 500 options for Alonso to explore if he wants to try and qualify for the 104th running of the signature American race.
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It makes almost NO sense for any major (read high volume) Auto OEM to stay in this sport as pretty much every major market is banning ICE past 2030 (or 2040).

This is why I maintain that the sooner F1 moves to an all electric format - the more likely they are to keep such OEMs in the sport.

On the flip side - Toyota and Honda (who believe that the all electric is a decade out more than others could step in with extremely efficient engines - but we all know how much we hate that.
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Agreed. I think F1 is going to be "vintage" racing in the 2030s. I still don't see F1 going all electric while FE exists, though. That's just redundant. Maybe they'll merge, or change branding, idk. What they should do, or what I want them to do, is embrace F1 being an ICE series while leaving the fully electric to FE and ditching the middle-ground/infancy/expensive hybrid setups we have today. Because you're right, what OEM is going to want to join an expensive series that's about to nosedive in relevance? Maybe not in viewers due to marketing (eg Netflix), but in usefulness to their brand over the long term. There's a reason the manufacturers are joining up in FE and no one is joining F1.

I could see all of the big manufacturers shifting their resources and teams from F1 and FE. Or at least from hybrid to fully electric, label them however you want. In their vacuum, F1 could go back to what so many people want it to be rather than catering to manufacturer's needs in a changing world. Bring back V8s and V10s that are cheaper and simpler to run. Entice the Cosworths of the industry that were left behind by the V6 hybrid switch to come back, which, again, was only done as an initial stepping stone towards fully electric. Today's F1 engines had nothing to do with their business model, so they pulled out. And rightfully so. Once we reach that same point where hybrids have no relevance to a fully electric world, or at least one on the horizon, they will be abandoned by the manufacturers as well.

We may not realize it or consciously acknowledge it, but we're currently in the limbo between ICEs and fully electric racecars. And it will be a while before they're competitively interchangeable, but the crossover will happen.
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Yep, it is my belief that the only successful (and least painful) way is to embrace the inevitability and transfer over FE to F1, and make F1 FICE (or whatever). And do it rapidly - aka have some form of min $$ investment on the next engine rule changes and in 2027 (?) go full electric.

We're romantics and sadly the era of ICE racing is over. Racing is entertainment - but not sustainable (aka the fans do not cover the costs of the sport) - the Sponsors and the manufacturers who see a long tail to their performance do. And if there is no long tail - it will become pure entertainment with no innovation.
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Yep, which is why I'd be on board for F1 no longer having to cater to manufacturers focused on the future. That burden will be carried by FE. The "problem" is, right now, F1 is growing in terms of viewship but dying in terms of the big manufacturers commiting to a long term investment in a supremely expensive ICE development series. So you have this huge marketing juggernaut surging but directly towards a cliff of OEMs bailing for FE this decade (presumably). Once FE cars can race F1 circuits at competitive times, that's about it for F1. Why would any OEM want to invest in an insanely expensive sport like F1 with no relevance to their future road cars? I think they should just let FE be the premier series and bring F1 budgets way down with simpler aero and N/A engines so privateer teams (Williams, Sauber, etc) could still afford it. Hell, have it be a support series for FE for all I care. That way, you'll still have great attendance by covering your bases.

Interesting times ahead for vehicles and motorsports in general.
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2020 F1 car launches
February 11 Ferrari Reggio Emilia, Italy
February 12 Red Bull Online
February 12 Renault Paris, France
February 13 McLaren MTC, Woking
February 14 Mercedes Silverstone, UK
February 14 Alpha Tauri (formerly Toro Rosso) Salzburg, Austria
February 17 Williams Online
February 17 Racing Point Mondsee, Austria
February 19 Alfa Romeo Barcelona, Spain
February 19 Haas Barcelona, Spain
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Yep, which is why I'd be on board for F1 no longer having to cater to manufacturers focused on the future. That burden will be carried by FE. The "problem" is, right now, F1 is growing in terms of viewship but dying in terms of the big manufacturers commiting to a long term investment in a supremely expensive ICE development series. So you have this huge marketing juggernaut surging but directly towards a cliff of OEMs bailing for FE this decade (presumably). Once FE cars can race F1 circuits at competitive times, that's about it for F1. Why would any OEM want to invest in an insanely expensive sport like F1 with no relevance to their future road cars? I think they should just let FE be the premier series and bring F1 budgets way down with simpler aero and N/A engines so privateer teams (Williams, Sauber, etc) could still afford it. Hell, have it be a support series for FE for all I care. That way, you'll still have great attendance by covering your bases.

Interesting times ahead for vehicles and motorsports in general.
Deregulated F1 cars with N/A engines...having trouble seeing how that would be the support race for FE any time soon. Certainly sounds like the main event we've been wanting to see.

I agree on your points. You make me sad.
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2020 F1 car launches
February 11 Ferrari Reggio Emilia, Italy
February 12 Red Bull Online
February 12 Renault Paris, France
February 13 McLaren MTC, Woking
February 14 Mercedes Silverstone, UK
February 14 Alpha Tauri (formerly Toro Rosso) Salzburg, Austria
February 17 Williams Online
February 17 Racing Point Mondsee, Austria
February 19 Alfa Romeo Barcelona, Spain
February 19 6 Haas Barcelona, Spain
Haas blows their load early.

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Better than their Rich Money-Laundering Scam Energy livery of last year. What morons they were to get caught up in that total sham of a company.
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that´s a lot of sponsors missing
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I wouldn't want to sponsor a team that can't put tyres on properly.
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China is likely to be scrapped tomorrow
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Not officially cancelled yet, just "postponed", but there's nowhere else on the calendar to put it so yea, probably scrapped. But there's big money involved so never say never.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...NxQB9hj4s.html

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The 2020 Chinese Grand Prix, which had been scheduled for April 17-19, has been postponed as a result of the novel coronavirus outbreak.

The Chinese Grand Prix Promoter, Juss Sports Group, officially requested the postponement after ongoing discussions with the Federation of Automobile and Motorcycle Sports of People's Republic of China (CAMF) and Shanghai Administration of Sports.

Amid continued health concerns and with the World Health Organisation declaring the coronavirus as a global health emergency, Formula 1, together with governing body the FIA, jointly decided to accept the postponement request in order to ensure the health and safety of the travelling staff, championship participants and fans.

Formula 1 and the FIA will continue to work closely with the teams, race promoter, CAMF and the local authorities to monitor the situation as it develops, with all parties studying the viability of potential alternative dates for the Grand Prix later in the year should the situation improve.

"The Chinese Grand Prix has always been a very important part of the F1 calendar and the fans are always incredible," Formula 1 said in a statement. "We all look forward to racing in China as soon as possible and wish everyone in the country the best during this difficult time."
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