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Old 08-20-2018, 03:44 PM   #5626
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Wrong thread?
Maybe, I thought we may have had a specific vacc thread, didn't find it. Feel free to move if you can remember.

No big deal on the other.
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:51 PM   #5627
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Nah, there's no such thing as Mormon any longer



https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/us/mo...rnd/index.html
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Maybe, I thought we may have had a specific vacc thread, didn't find it. Feel free to move if you can remember.

No big deal on the other.
Meh, no harm.
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Old 08-21-2018, 03:53 AM   #5628
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This is the most empty apology ever. Guy is a CEO smoothing over public perception of his for profit company so he can sweep this under the rug once again.

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Pope Francis decried the alleged abuses in the open letter published on Monday, writing: "It is essential that we, as a Church, be able to acknowledge and condemn, with sorrow and shame, the atrocities perpetrated by consecrated persons, clerics, and all those entrusted with the mission of watching over and caring for those most vulnerable."

"We showed no care for the little ones; we abandoned them," he continued. "The extent and the gravity of all that has happened requires coming to grips with this reality in a comprehensive and communal way. While it is important and necessary on every journey of conversion to acknowledge the truth of what has happened, in itself this is not enough."

Despite vowing reform and paying billions of dollars to victims of abuse, the Church continues to suffer from allegations of sexual misconduct.

"I am conscious of the effort and work being carried out in various parts of the world to come up with the necessary means to ensure the safety and protection of the integrity of children and of vulnerable adults, as well as implementing zero tolerance and ways of making all those who perpetrate or cover up these crimes accountable," Pope Francis wrote. "We have delayed in applying these actions and sanctions that are so necessary, yet I am confident that they will help to guarantee a greater culture of care in the present and future."
So what he's saying is we should first do what the Pennsylvania state rep plans to next session and remove the statute of limitations on sex crimes. But not just in his state, in all states and at the federal level.

Next, let's amend this federal statute to apply to churches:

20 U.S. Code § 7926 - Prohibition on aiding and abetting sexual abuse

Then, let's put the pope in prison to send a message, since he is essentially the mob boss of this organized crime ring of pedophiles.

This seems like a good start.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:22 PM   #5629
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Certainly my idea of hell.
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A 34-year-old man has filed an $800,000 lawsuit against a Albany construction company, claiming the owner fired him after he refused to attend weekly Bible study.

Ryan Coleman's lawsuit states that he discovered only after he was hired as a painter for Dahled Up Construction that the job entailed more than just fixing up homes. According to Coleman and his lawsuit, owner Joel Dahl told him all employees were required to partake in regular Bible study sessions led by a Christian pastor during the work day, while on the clock.

Coleman told Dahl that the requirement was illegal, but Dahl wouldn't budge, according to the lawsuit. In order to keep his job, Coleman obliged for nearly six months but ultimately told Dahl he couldn't go, the suit says.

"I said ***8216;I've kept an open mind, and it's just not my thing.' And he said, ***8216;Well, I'm going to have to replace you,'" Coleman told The Oregonian/OregonLive.

"He said ***8216;You're not going to tell me how to run my own company,'" Coleman continued. "I said ***8216;I'm not trying to tell you how to run your own company, but you're not going to tell me what god to pray to.'"

Coleman said his religious beliefs are indigenous: He's half Caucasian and half Native American, with Cherokee and Blackfoot heritage.

Coleman worked for the small construction company from October 2017 to this past April, when he was fired, the suit states.

"This is so illegal," said Corinne Schram, a Portland attorney representing Coleman. "Unless you are a religious organization like a church, you cannot force your employees to participate in religious activities."

Dahl's Albany attorney, Kent Hickam, doesn't dispute that Dahl requires all of his employees to attend Bible study, but says it's legal because Dahl pays them to attend.

"Mr. Dahl feels that it's unfortunate that he (Coleman) is now trying to exploit Mr. Dahl's honorable intentions for unjustified financial gain," Hickman said.

Dahl told The Oregonian/OregonLive that he'd struggled with drugs and alcohol and served time in prison for attempted second-degree assault. He said he's been clean and sober for seven years. He started his company in 2016, with the idea of helping other convicted felons or people who've battled addictions rebuild their lives.

"I'm a second-chance employer," Dahl said. (Joel Dahl says he's not related to another second-chance employer, Dave Dahl of Dave's Killer Bread.)

God is a big part of Joel Dahl's life. The company's Facebook page features photos of recently completed home remodels -- often alongside praise to God or Jesus.

After stripping a 106-year-old home down to the studs and renovating it to look brand new, one post states: "Fixing up this old house at times I was discouraged ***8216;cause there was so much to fix. But Me and God did this together and we got er done."

Another post expresses gratitude for the work that has come to Dahled Up Construction: "Just finished these 2 roofs ... Look at God go. He is so awesome."

Coleman said he's served prison time for delivery of methamphetamine and child neglect but has now been clean and sober for nearly four years. Earlier this week, he won back full custody of his two children, he said.

Coleman's past left him fearful that he wouldn't be able to find other work, so he said stuck with the weekly, hourlong Bible study sessions for six months, until he took a stance and said he wouldn't go.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:33 PM   #5630
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They always are.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:33 PM   #5631
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His gods were simple and understandable; Crom was their chief, and he lived on a great mountain, whence he sent forth dooms and death. It was useless to call on Crom, because he was a gloomy, savage god, and he hated weaklings. But he gave a man courage at birth, and the will and might to kill his enemies, which, in the Cimmerian's mind, was all any god should be expected to do.

Conan did not pray. He executed.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:34 PM   #5632
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Did he know this was a second chance job with a bible based employment program?
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:38 PM   #5633
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It says right in the article that he didn't know about the Bible study requirement until he showed up.

But that doesn't excuse it, at all.
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:51 PM   #5634
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Yeah, I don't know how "Bible-based employment programs" even fly in the first place.
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:59 PM   #5635
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Yeah, I don't know how "Bible-based employment programs" even fly in the first place.
Because the religious reich thinks criminals don't count as people and therefore can be forced into joining the ranks instead of going back to prison. Can you see why the GOP is so strongly endorsed by our for profit prisons and the church?
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:59 PM   #5636
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Is there a "second chance" anything that isn't faith based?

Edit: Hondaslayer, I think that's a bit of hyperbole, but I do think they are trying to give them a direction to head in that they feel could help them.
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Old 08-31-2018, 02:14 PM   #5637
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I'm not sure they do but I was just curious if he already knew the baker wouldn't....nevermind.
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Old 08-31-2018, 02:14 PM   #5638
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Is there a “second chance” anything that isn’t faith based?

Edit: Hondaslayer, I think that’s a bit of hyperbole, but I do think they are trying to give them a direction to head in that they feel could help them.
Yes and no.

Often times they are given two choices, prison or church. There is no third option for a program to give them an opportunity to succeed. There are plenty of local churches that do truly want to help and I do applaud them for that (there is a local church helping a man that ICE is attempting to deport) However, there are also a disturbing number of "churches" that just want to fleece the flock. Oddly, those "churches" seem to be the ones that do these work programs. It's not a church, it's a tax dodge.
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But this wasn't a church as far I as I can tell? $800k?!?! What is he trying to sue for? Wages for the rest of his life?

Also, sit through a sermon while getting paid or roofing? I know which one I'm picking.
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But this wasn't a church as far I as I can tell? $800k?!?! What is he trying to sue for? Wages for the rest of his life?

Also, sit through a sermon while getting paid or roofing? I know which one I'm picking.
Roofing, because at least you're closer to "God"?
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Roofing, because at least you're closer to "God"?
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But this wasn’t a church as far I as I can tell? $800k?!?! What is he trying to sue for? Wages for the rest of his life?

Also, sit through a sermon while getting paid or roofing? I know which one I’m picking.
This, I had to sit through that crap for free growing up.
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Roofing, because at least you're closer to "God"?
Now you're just babeling.
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I get it.
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