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Old 07-26-2017, 03:42 PM   #101
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Think I'll just get the 2018 Mustang GT and save $15k
Better yet get a supercharged one for $39k
A friend of mine has one of those from Lebanon Ford. That thing is stupid fast and loud. You won't be disappointed if you go that route.
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Old 07-26-2017, 05:18 PM   #102
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I picked mine up in May of 2003 for MSRP.

The first dealership I went to wanted $5000 over, but they were the only one in the area with a blue one with gold wheels.
I argued with them for about a half hour before going to another dealer and picking up a silver one.

Looking back I still overpaid considering the damn things didn't even come with a radio, but I was smitten with blue feux-swede seats.
That bit about the STI being similarly marked up was a joke and aimed at someone earlier in thread that said it was the same for the STI. Subaru never pulled the bs these Ford stealers are....$59,999.
I paid $37k. These stealers are high. Look at the last page.."I went to buy one" then they got some adm bs and bought something else. This is why there are 1500+ of them sitting on lots coast to coast.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:00 PM   #103
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This is why there are 1500+ of them sitting on lots coast to coast.
All i can hope is that the powers that be at Ford realize it's their ****wat dealerships that are keeping them on the lot, not a lack of demand. They built a great car and priced it competitively. Then the dealers come in and get greedy and ruin it for all...
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:17 PM   #104
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$50k for a Focus. Gimme a break. Fords interiors are absolutely terrible. The front end of the car is nice, but the rest is blahhhhh
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:28 PM   #105
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All i can hope is that the powers that be at Ford realize it's their ****wat dealerships that are keeping them on the lot, not a lack of demand. They built a great car and priced it competitively. Then the dealers come in and get greedy and ruin it for all...
Agreed. The bubble burst here already. One guy in S. TX got a completely loaded one for what I paid, except he got forged wheels also, and a car cover. Best deal I saw was same but + winter wheels/tires for 1k more. Some are getting base models, no sunroof for $35k even. What I'm seeing is the more options the higher the discounts. You're just in a bad area for them. The South, even Kalifornia, are dealing extremely hard. Guy on my gun forum just got his wife one for $600 under invoice. And IIRC, he's on the East Coast. The 2018 LE builds are starting in the next week or so so these fools are crazy. Wait it out, they'll have to deal to move them. Some of the stealers, in pockets, here and there, are just stubborn as all get out.
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Old 07-27-2017, 05:48 AM   #106
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$50k for a Focus. Gimme a break. Fords interiors are absolutely terrible. The front end of the car is nice, but the rest is blahhhhh
Says the guy buying a Subaru
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:31 AM   #107
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I don't understand the disdain for the Focus ST/RS interior. People seem to think that they deserve hand-sewn leather interiors on their $40K cars. My 2004 WRX was a cocoon of hard plastics, but I didn't buy it to fondle the dashboard. I prefer the look of the ST/RS dashboard over my Golf R, although all of them are very nice.

My coworker has a 2017 WRX, and even that is leaps and bounds better than the '04 WRX. For a $30K car, it's also an interior I could live with.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:05 PM   #108
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Wait it out, they'll have to deal to move them. Some of the stealers, in pockets, here and there, are just stubborn as all get out.
honestly, I think it's the awd thing that's making the dealers here see dollar signs. awd sells at a premium in this climate, for all of the obvious reasons. There are still subaru dealers that try to charge adm around here. And most things will move for MSRP. When I bought my wrx, the sticker had 5k adm as a "PNW Market Adjustment" charge...

I'm in a happy place right now, because my wrx is still going strong. I have no strong desire to hop into a new car, so I'll wait out to see what happens once the wrx/sti moves to the SGP.
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Old 07-27-2017, 04:55 PM   #109
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It's the same here. I got a call from the salesman at the Ford dealer I bought my STI from when the RS was just arriving. He asked if I wanted to come down and trade in my STI on a new Ford RS.

I didn't even consider it, as I would like to get my car paid off, but I went to their website to look at them anyway. All of the RS cars they had were in the $50K range.

They haven't learned....They have two cars that they are trying to sell for ~$46K

It's too much. That car would be a good competitor at an STI price, but at $46K I think most people would rather buy an STI.
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Old 07-27-2017, 04:59 PM   #110
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IT should sell for sticker price at the absolute most...

Every single car I buy is at least 10% less than sticker...The Focus RS would get no special treatment. I came in to buy a new Golf R, but walked out because it was MSRP or nothing... they got nothing.
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Old 07-27-2017, 05:25 PM   #111
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they got nothing.
But then you went to their sister dealership and got an Audi?
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Old 07-27-2017, 05:28 PM   #112
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It's the same here. I got a call from the salesman at the Ford dealer I bought my STI from when the RS was just arriving. He asked if I wanted to come down and trade in my STI on a new Ford RS.

I didn't even consider it, as I would like to get my car paid off, but I went to their website to look at them anyway. All of the RS cars they had were in the $50K range.

They haven't learned....They have two cars that they are trying to sell for ~$46K

It's too much. That car would be a good competitor at an STI price, but at $46K I think most people would rather buy an STI.
For the masses to buy a 46k sti it would have to have to be an s207 with a real nbr active wing, gold wheels and sti cosworth engine making 400hp and 400lb torque with little to no turbo lag protected by subaru warranty.
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:08 PM   #113
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For the masses to buy a 46k sti it would have to have to be an s207 with a real nbr active wing, gold wheels and sti cosworth engine making 400hp and 400lb torque with little to no turbo lag protected by subaru warranty.
I agree.
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Old 07-27-2017, 07:22 PM   #114
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But then you went to their sister dealership and got an Audi?
Come run your face into my fist!

FYI I got a killer deal on m allroad. But point taken.
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Old 07-27-2017, 08:09 PM   #115
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Local Subaru dealership did this to me when I went to buy an STi.

it was a 2014, and was brand new with 5 miles on it. I said I was looking at STi's and had never driven one. wanted to see if i liked it before I'd talk financing.

The guy looked at me and said "Do you know how much these cars are? You are looking at a 650 a month car payment if you put nothing down"

really offended me considering I'm not 21, I was 28 and I could afford such a ridiculous monthly payment anyway.

Anyway, he would not let me even sit in it without first running my credit. so I left and bought my STi from a Chevy dealership.
That's unlucky, I asked to test drive an STi and was in the driver's seat 15 minutes later.

For reference, I'm 26 with a ****ty driving record but good credit.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:47 AM   #116
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IT should sell for sticker price at the absolute most...

Every single car I buy is at least 10% less than sticker...The Focus RS would get no special treatment. I came in to buy a new Golf R, but walked out because it was MSRP or nothing... they got nothing.
Agree with you here, and I did the same early this year at a VW dealership. They had a CPO priced almost as much as a new one, and wouldn't budge a nickel. Bye! Sad thing was it was the same salesman I bought my JSW TDI 6MT from. Not an emissions scandal, or repeat customer, could get them to come a nickel off. I looked at him and the sales manager and told them both to keep it. Had my name removed from their system on my way out.

It's a depreciating asset so I'm not paying sticker for anything that loses thousands within a few hundred feet of me leaving with it. Just bad business, no matter how much I want or heart. These cars in the mid to high 30's make sense. Everyone has their line in the sand. Mine 9 years ago, was low 30's, say 32. But I realize it's 2017, not 2008, so add 5 and that makes 37k +TTL. You want more for it then sell it to someone else. It's not worth it to me.

I saw it with bikes. Liters were 12k, then 14.5k, now 16k. Before all that happened I snagged mines. Same thing with the car. Before they get a bunch of nannies standard, and before that price creeps too high, to me right now is the time to go snag something. Overcomplication and higher prices are just around the corner. Even the 17 R's, good luck finding one without DSP. Like many market experts are expecting, I too see a big automotive bubble bursting before too long. Every day more jobs get outsourced to India and cheap fossil fuel, well it's always volatile, even with an abundance of natural gas. Some frogs will sit in the water as it rises up to a boil. Others see it coming and jump the f out. Better to get a cheap, affordable and reliable DD....get your something nice, and fast too but it make it a long term deal. Doing it that way kills the numbers on the typical buy/trade/sell every few years. Rack the miles up on the cheap toaster. Make the more expensive purchase last double, triple, or quadruple the time.
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Old 08-21-2017, 09:31 AM   #117
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From the I TOLD YOU SO Ford predictability and poor resale.
It's all over now about RS engine failures and worse. Resale plummeted and perhaps none buying them is not the gouging prices but reputation now preceding the car. Carbon buildups and flaking into and scorching cylinders and more. Ford apparently decarbonizing head and leaving scored cylinders unbeknownst to owners to suffer more problems down the road.
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:48 PM   #118
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From the I TOLD YOU SO Ford predictability and poor resale.
It's all over now about RS engine failures and worse. Resale plummeted and perhaps none buying them is not the gouging prices but reputation now preceding the car. Carbon buildups and flaking into and scorching cylinders and more. Ford apparently decarbonizing head and leaving scored cylinders unbeknownst to owners to suffer more problems down the road.
https://youtu.be/EOcRJ9lRep8
Seems like Ford took care of the guy in the video; and, based on what he's saying, the new engine seems to run very well.

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Old 08-21-2017, 02:36 PM   #119
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From the I TOLD YOU SO Ford predictability and poor resale.
It's all over now about RS engine failures and worse. Resale plummeted and perhaps none buying them is not the gouging prices but reputation now preceding the car. Carbon buildups and flaking into and scorching cylinders and more. Ford apparently decarbonizing head and leaving scored cylinders unbeknownst to owners to suffer more problems down the road.
https://youtu.be/EOcRJ9lRep8
Well if every Subaru owner that had to get his EJ257 replaced made a youtube video there would be an EJ257 replacement channel. Top notch reliability seems to be very important to you as I see you drive an Alfa.
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Old 08-21-2017, 02:43 PM   #120
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Early production 2016 models, yes there is an issue. Pourous head gasket causing coolant to get into the intake runners, and put coolant into cylinder #2 IIRC. First year model issue. Don't buy first year models, ever. The first batch of 2016's, so the first buyers, yes an issue.
Ford has been replacing the motors so far, and taking care of people. Whole motor instead of like Subaru, just replacing the shortblock. They changed the headbolts in Sep 2017 and went from a V4 to V5 engine. And from the tech section on the U.K. forum, it was down to a particular machine making the headgaskets. They had numerous machines making them and it was only one machine. They even isolated down to a time of day when the machine wasn't up to full operating temp.
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Old 08-21-2017, 03:36 PM   #121
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