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Old 04-17-2018, 09:35 AM   #1
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Default Type RA Class?

Hi everyone. Can anyone help me figure out the class for the type ra? I want to order some magnets during the break in period but I'm stuck on the class and none of the other owners know yet.

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Old 04-17-2018, 12:16 PM   #2
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It's not classed yet so it would fall under the NOC (Not Otherwise Classed) of SS (assuming you're stock). If you're not stock then it would depend. Realistically it's probably going to end up in AS since the regular STi is in BS. If you're going to run it for the season just order AS and run it there unless someone complains.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:32 PM   #3
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It's not classed yet so it would fall under the NOC (Not Otherwise Classed) of SS (assuming you're stock). If you're not stock then it would depend. Realistically it's probably going to end up in AS since the regular STi is in BS. If you're going to run it for the season just order AS and run it there unless someone complains.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:49 PM   #4
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It's not classed yet so it would fall under the NOC (Not Otherwise Classed) of SS (assuming you're stock). If you're not stock then it would depend. Realistically it's probably going to end up in AS since the regular STi is in BS. If you're going to run it for the season just order AS and run it there unless someone complains.
It'll definitely be interesting to see where it ends up. I can't see it being that much quicker than a regular STI in autocross. The weight savings almost completely comes from removing the spare tire. (We all do this anyway). If I was a betting man I'd guess it ends up in BS with the regular STI.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:20 PM   #5
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I agree, don't think it will be any different than a STI, so probably BS, but if they take into account the slightly upgraded suspension, may bump the car into AS.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:56 PM   #6
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I agree, don't think it will be any different than a STI, so probably BS, but if they take into account the slightly upgraded suspension, may bump the car into AS.
The big thing is the limited availability and extra cost to purchase. Then the gearing, modest power bump, CF bits, etc. The AC classing the car will look at that and say they don't want a extremely limited model that's a full $15k more expensive to be perceived as the over dog or negating all the regular STi's.

But overall it's the limited number that hurts it the most. The CR S2000 was in the same class as the base S2000 but you could get them a lot easier and they were cheaper. A $55k STi that only has 500 available? Yeah, I'd bet money it ends up in AS.
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Old 04-25-2018, 01:04 PM   #7
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If the STi isn't even competitive in BS, why would they bump a negligibly improved model straight to AS?
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Old 04-25-2018, 01:39 PM   #8
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For the reasons I outlined above.....

It's been doing ok at the few tours I've seen a new one at.
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Old 04-26-2018, 06:06 PM   #9
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I just hate that the SCCA likes to lump the STi with the Evo just because "boost buggy". The STi has never had the same potential, and honestly won't as long as an EJ is under the hood. I would hate for the SAC to see a unique model, which might have a slight chance at being competitive, and bury it in the next faster class just because they are biased against any AWD car being competitive.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:45 PM   #10
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They're not biased and honestly the new STi with it's quicker rack and such is basically as good as an Evo X.

They don't want a super limited car to be too competitive or it skews the perception of what's needed.

I do understand your point though. I look at it from all the cars perspectives though. Every enthusiast who likes a certain brand will say their car is unfairly classed. When I had a GT350 I thought it was stupid to put in AS with cars weighing 700 lbs less. But in the end it worked out ok. We'll see what happens either way. It's possible the SAC will put it in BS with the base STi. Write your letters and see.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:57 AM   #11
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I don't waste my time with letters these days. Every single letter has been, "we thank you for your input, but we don't give a ****".
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Old 04-27-2018, 12:14 PM   #12
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I can say the SMAC reviews every letter and responds appropriately, but the letters we get are generally well thought out, or so poor that it's an easy no. the SAC, STAC, and SPAC have a harder time since there's just more classes to consider.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:16 PM   #13
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Too bad the SEB doesn't give a **** about the ACs, to whom they don't even bother to say, "Thank you for your input" LOL

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Old 04-28-2018, 03:09 PM   #14
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On a 60 second course the PAX differential between AS and BS is 0.36 seconds. The Type RA is 68 lbs lighter than the normal STI and has 5 HP more. Once the normal STI pulls its spare tire out (25 to 30 lbs) The RA is only 38-43 lbs lighter.

The other mods are probably relevant, but the weight difference is well within the noise of different driver weights. I'm really struggling to see how the RA will be consistently 0.36 seconds quicker when both Type RA and Normal STI are prepped to the autocross street class rules.

I figure the 5hp power differential is probably lost in the noise of which car has higher octane gas.

I usually figure a 200lb person riding along with me is worth a full second on a 60 second lap. (and my car is a lot lighter and a lot less powerful than a 2018 STI, so it's very weight sensitive) Doing the math the weight differential ought to be worth maybe 0.2 seconds?

I don't have any skin in the game (not planning on getting an RA) but seems like putting the car in AS is more about not hurting Normal STI owners feelings than accurately aligning the performance potential with the car.

Will be very interesting to see how the RA does at regional and national events.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:30 PM   #15
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I reached out to the facebook page who directed me to Gill who sent me this response.

"I would suggest that you ask the local SCCA Region to allow you to run in the “regular” WRX STI classes at this time.

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But to get an official response, you need to send a request to the Solo Events Board. Being a limited number is not really very good to get it into Street category. But some of the other categories like Street Prepared allow most of the other changes already; only things like the carbon fiber roof and 3rd gear ratio may be a concern.

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The Subaru WRX STI Type RA is currently eligible for SM (Street Modified class). No classification needed.

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Sounds like I should go SM until this gets sorted down the line.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:36 PM   #16
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**** that, register for BS and see if anybody gets pissed off enough to actually classify the car.

Or like he said, write the SEB https://www.crbscca.com/

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Old 05-03-2018, 10:23 AM   #17
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Come out Saturday to the SASCA event and run BS. It'll be fine for now.
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Old 05-03-2018, 10:53 AM   #18
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Doug also routinely answers questions incorrectly, just FYI. To get an answer you need to actually write to the SAC (street advisory committee). I'm on the SMAC and have gotten several questions over the years where Doug told the competitor something wrong without forwarding on up to an AC.
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Subaru changed the steering wheel on it, so it goes straight to SP/SM.
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:38 PM   #20
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**** that, register for BS and see if anybody gets pissed off enough to actually classify the car.

Or like he said, write the SEB https://www.crbscca.com/
This. Run it in BS. If you do write a letter write it just to tell them that you intend to run BS until there is data available to prove that it should be classed elsewhere.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:29 AM   #21
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ASP - Add Hoosiers + FlexFuel to that magnet order.
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:18 AM   #22
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For reference, the Type-RA is an "Option package" according to the window sticker for a regular STI. So its classified the same with regular STI's, its not a separate model.

SCCA classifications shows with the STI in BS "Includes Special Editions" as well.
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:04 PM   #23
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Whoa. I haven't seen a Kostamojen post in a while. Extra fun that it's resurrecting an older thread. Glad to see somebody with a member number in the 2000s is still playing with subarus.

Does anyone know if the SAC actually classed the type RA yet?
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Old 10-19-2018, 02:38 PM   #24
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Technically the end of the season so 2019 classing should be out in a month or so. The 2018 rules do have an inclusion clause in it for "Special Editions" but technically only the 2004-17 cars are allowed in it at the moment. I can't remember if the 2018 cars were allowed in via any FastTracks this year. If someone doesn't let you run BS at a local tell them to piss off.

I'll be interested to see if it's included in the proposed move in 2019 to DS. Might want to submit a letter now to make sure the 2019's are recognized but I don't see it being much better in stock form than a base 2018 or 2019 STI so don't see why it wouldn't make the move too other than perception.
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