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Old 08-11-2017, 12:12 AM   #51
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Clearly some of you need to work on your glutes. Those soft tushies.
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Don't be such a hard ass, A W.
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:36 AM   #53
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Clearly some of you need to work on your glutes. Those soft tushies.
my glutes are fine, and were in every car i've ever owned except the Forester and Legacy GT.

the seats in the POS '86 Plymouth Horizon i had back in high school did not bother me on long trips, nor did its POS followup Chevy Lumina.

keep on fanboi'n, though.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:12 AM   #54
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of course you love them, you're Subaru's #1 fanboi!

they could fill porcupine carcasses with rocks and you'd find them "amazingly comfortable and supportive".
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Clearly some of you need to work on your glutes. Those soft tushies.
I think you're close, A W... too many asses are used to sitting, a lifetime of conditioning oriented around being comfortably coddled in that position.

I've never sat much. The only exception during the bulk of my life being mealtime, or in later years, computer time. The rest of the time I was erect and active. Now, at 77, during my work days I spend 10 hours walking and working without a chair available unless I seek the rare one out... which I do not. I weigh the same as I did in my 20s, have little body fat and do not eat mid-day. Fitbit total walking miles per week are between 20 and 30. When I do sit I'm most comfortable in a shaped hard seat or a canvas bottomed one. I prefer sleeping on a mat on the floor, my bed's a flat hard plane covered by a three inch pad.

The seats on tractors that managed farms were a thinly covered steel bucket, if it had any covering at all. Daylight to dark work in the fields went by without anyone complaining their butt hurt. But then, those people weren't fat and lazy.

As the decades passed people got fat and lazy. They sat more than being physically active, spending time in front of TVs, video screens, and food. They became ass-centric, their consciousness focused on their butt's happiness.

As a result, automobile seats are what they are. If they allow my skeletal interface with the machine to function without muscular intervention, and all my energy is available for the task of driving, I'm good. If a seat also allows me to shift around once in a while on long boring drives while maintaining my posture, I'm very happy. My FXT's seat satisfies those needs.

In a vehicle my focus in on the path in front of me. My ass is "comfortable" on whatever. It hasn't a damn thing to do with a Subaru.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:18 AM   #55
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my glutes are fine, and were in every car i've ever owned except the Forester and Legacy GT.

the seats in the POS '86 Plymouth Horizon i had back in high school did not bother me on long trips, nor did its POS followup Chevy Lumina.

keep on fanboi'n, though.
Well, granny, that's what happens when you get old. Just buy a fanny pack and a hand-sewn butt cushion. You'll be good as new.

Fanboy or not, the seats don't fit everyone, just some. Clearly you're not that some. It's ironic since you fit the type of being the perfect tool for any job.

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I think you're close, A W... too many asses are used to sitting, a lifetime of conditioning oriented around being comfortably coddled in that position.
Yep. Too many people used to getting the full service and start to get lazy. The only people who have the right to bitch and whine about "uncomfortable seats" in a mainstream car are those with disabilities and chronic back issues. Pay to play.

Of course SVX fits the bill though as far as disabilities.
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Yep. Too many people used to getting the full service and start to get lazy. The only people who have the right to bitch and whine about "uncomfortable seats" in a mainstream car are those with disabilities and chronic back issues. Pay to play.
Agree.

Over the years, after many group meets and personal associations with Subaru owners, I've never, ever, had the subject of their seats come up. The overwhelming majority (I can't think of an exception...) of the Subaru owners I've ever known were also "fit" and energetic and enthusiastic, not complaining lard asses. These forum malcontents are eye opening.

Posture is an individual's responsibility, enabled by musculoskeletal fitness and maintained by mental discipline. Excessive sitting, especially comfortable sitting, is time during which those systems are disabled. Keep that up and the autonomic posture control mechanisms become compromised... and seating becomes more comfortable than movement.

I see it everywhere, every day. The predictable results are pain, from incorrectly aligned spines and improperly loaded muscles. And it only gets worse... as the unseen enemy inside looks for a way out of the pain in a comfortable seat, ensuring the cycle deepens.

A hundred million US citizens are taking opioids, the overwhelming majority to escape pain. It is not coincidence that the continuing increase in this trend parallels the increase in obesity and, inversely, the decline in both physical and mental fitness. It is the predictable outcome.

My Forester provides me the means to ensure my posture is optimized during my driving time, to the parameters I use all the time. Many gas tank emptying-long trips in Foresters later my FXT's seats are one of its assets I count on. As for their ability to let me drive across the US... I long ago found both my ability to drive as well as my physical and mental alertness are best when I periodically stop and get out of the vehicle, not waiting for the gas to run out lol... I'd love the opportunity as I'm certain the seats, like the rest of the car, would make the trip a joy.
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:52 PM   #57
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When I do sit I'm most comfortable in a shaped hard seat or a canvas bottomed one. I prefer sleeping on a mat on the floor, my bed's a flat hard plane covered by a three inch pad.


I bet you walked uphill both ways going to school as well.
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This thread. In so much need of ointment and meds from all the sick burns.
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Agree.



Over the years, after many group meets and personal associations with Subaru owners, I've never, ever, had the subject of their seats come up. The overwhelming majority (I can't think of an exception...) of the Subaru owners I've ever known were also "fit" and energetic and enthusiastic, not complaining lard asses. These forum malcontents are eye opening.



Posture is an individual's responsibility, enabled by musculoskeletal fitness and maintained by mental discipline. Excessive sitting, especially comfortable sitting, is time during which those systems are disabled. Keep that up and the autonomic posture control mechanisms become compromised... and seating becomes more comfortable than movement.



I see it everywhere, every day. The predictable results are pain, from incorrectly aligned spines and improperly loaded muscles. And it only gets worse... as the unseen enemy inside looks for a way out of the pain in a comfortable seat, ensuring the cycle deepens.



A hundred million US citizens are taking opioids, the overwhelming majority to escape pain. It is not coincidence that the continuing increase in this trend parallels the increase in obesity and, inversely, the decline in both physical and mental fitness. It is the predictable outcome.



My Forester provides me the means to ensure my posture is optimized during my driving time, to the parameters I use all the time. Many gas tank emptying-long trips in Foresters later my FXT's seats are one of its assets I count on. As for their ability to let me drive across the US... I long ago found both my ability to drive as well as my physical and mental alertness are best when I periodically stop and get out of the vehicle, not waiting for the gas to run out lol... I'd love the opportunity as I'm certain the seats, like the rest of the car, would make the trip a joy.


Such a great point. Blame the people and not Subaru for making **** seats.

Oh and posture is the persons responsibility? Itís hard to have posture when you piece of **** seat doesnít adjust to a comfortable position.

The smugness in this thread r/e the seats is overwhelming
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This is what happens when there is lack of news in the thread. Except it is not brain pain, it is literally a pain in the butt.
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This is what happens when there is lack of news in the thread. Except it is not brain pain, it is literally a pain in the butt.
The "news" here involved castigating the Forester's seats. What some people don't want to hear is the hard truths that don't align with their personal agenda.

If you want to know what pain in the butt is, try eight hours on a sport bike. One learns a few things... like how comfortable a 2017 FXT's seating can be... unless one has, well, problems.
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The "news" here involved castigating the Forester's seats. What some people don't want to hear is the hard truths that don't align with their personal agenda.

If you want to know what pain in the butt is, try eight hours on a sport bike. One learns a few things... like how comfortable a 2017 FXT's seating can be... unless one has, well, problems.
I agree, just trying to bring some humour in since everyone was talking about uncomfortable seats.
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So it appears that people purchase Foresters in spite of the seats. The seats in my wife's 2014 Outback are fairly comfortable so no complaints there but I have heard plenty of comments over the years of Forester seats being uncomfortable so there's probably some smoke here. Hopefully Subaru puts more emphasis on the seats in the new model.
Our 2012 Outback - great seats.
Our 2002 WRX, decent.
Test drove WRXs, liked the seats
Test drove a couple foresters, hated the seats.

I must be a fatass.
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Try again - super-fit cyclist here. Active, native Coloradan.
I was sitting on Subaru seats in my late teens. Too early for the made-up nonsense about getting lazy or whatever the **** y'all are spewin. What fanbois you are.

* Denying the truth doesn't change the truth. *

Fact: Subaru seats suck

That said, I had a loaner '17 Outback with cloth seats and they weren't anywhere near as bad as the FXT. I honestly think Subaru's leather exacerbates the issue.
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Oh yeah, I forgot I had that loaner 17 Outback Premium. Those seats were perfectly fine.

I also agree about leather seats. Less give compared to softer cloth seats.
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Looks pretty good so far WELL NICE POST
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Fanboy or not, the seats don't fit everyone, just some. Clearly you're not that some. It's ironic since you fit the type of being the perfect tool for any job.

Work it, baby.
anything (structurally able to support your obesity) would work for your giant cellulite globes of chewed up bubblegum ass, but a person with a normal-sized butt and normal build will not find them comfortable.


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Yep. Too many people used to getting the full service and start to get lazy. The only people who have the right to bitch and whine about "uncomfortable seats" in a mainstream car are those with disabilities and chronic back issues. Pay to play.

Of course SVX fits the bill though as far as disabilities.
yeah, i've been getting the "full service" for too long i guess. you're correct - if the seats give me a back ache, its MY problem. nobody has a right to complain about "uncomfortable seats" - they aren't very important. what's next, complaining about build quality or recall issues? insane! i should have just bought the Forester no matter how uncomfortable or cheap i thought the interior was, and just kept my mouth shut. i feel like a fool now.
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You bet your sweet ass you're lucky!

I've thought about it a bit, and I do think my 08 Forester seats were the worst of the three Subies I've x-country road-tripped in, followed by the 17 Impreza, 08 OBXT and BRZ. I remember squirming around in them a bit, trying to get comfortable, somewhere on the Alaska-Canada highway. I never had that sensation with the other cars. Relative to my BRZ, the Impreza seats were a minor letdown, but my passengers and I got used to them.

I don't properly recall ever getting used to the Forester seats, but I only had it 11 months.
Don't recall if there was any sort of change from 06-08; but, just got here to VA the other day after 15hrs(some winery stops)and only 1 fillup(30/32mpg) and I don't remember any uncomfortable moments. Not any "aching, painful" ones anyways.


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Subaru's are well known in the industry for having garbage seats. Old news. I've owned countless vehicles. Driven countless vehicles. Subaru has always struggled with the seat thing.
The '14-'18 Forester seats are among the worst yet.
Every single Subaru I, or my family and friends have owned have been far subpar in their class in the seat comfort dept. The difference between my Nissan's and the FXTs seats is night and day after 45 minutes. The family makes routine 4hr trips. It's gotten to the point where we have to get out and stretch and give our backs a rest from the Forester. Nissan on the same trip? Nope - don't even think about seat discomfort. Same way with Jeeps, Bimmers, GMs, Hondas etc. we've made that same trip in many different vehicles. Only the Subaru's kill the back, numb the legs/arse. Some worse than others.
Subaru needs to fire their seat engineering crew.
There's budget econo boxes that have managed to have this figured out decades ago.
I am not arguing that people don't like the seats. If you don't like them. You don't like them. Well, maybe I am a little; but, it's more of HOW many people don't like the seats. If they are as bad as a few of you are making out, then odds alone, I'd have heard some complaints on return customers. I may have heard a few; but, I really only hear them on test drives.


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Try again - super-fit cyclist here. Active, native Coloradan.
I was sitting on Subaru seats in my late teens. Too early for the made-up nonsense about getting lazy or whatever the **** y'all are spewin. What fanbois you are.

* Denying the truth doesn't change the truth. *

Fact: Subaru seats suck

That said, I had a loaner '17 Outback with cloth seats and they weren't anywhere near as bad as the FXT. I honestly think Subaru's leather exacerbates the issue.

And that's where I see the craziness in each persons preferences. For me, I feel the Limiteds are more comfortable.


The only other car I've taken a long trip in was '99 CRV and you couldn't pay me to do that again. I was hating it, HATING it after maybe 2 hours. I am sure they have gotten better. I've driven the more modern ones(not the latest yet though) on test drive distances and they do feel nice.

I do think it's funny/fruitless to telling someone who doesn't like the seats that they have a problem. If you don't like it, you don't like it. There is no wrong or right in that.
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If you like the seats then you like the seats, my fanboi. I didn't hate mine in the Forester. I just remember liking them less than every other seat I've sat in.

It just seems odd that those of us who've rode in other Subies who then say the Forester seats are bad are seen as the ones with issues. It probably comes down to the same argument when most reviews of Subies say, "... needs more power." Although I feel like power is more subjective and less tangible than seats that are literally a PITA to more than some people. Body type and pain tolerances probably play a lot into seat comfort.
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If you like the seats then you like the seats, my fanboi. I didn't hate mine in the Forester. I just remember liking them less than every other seat I've sat in.

It just seems odd that those of us who've rode in other Subies who then say the Forester seats are bad are seen as the ones with issues. It probably comes down to the same argument when most reviews of Subies say, "... needs more power." Although I feel like power is more subjective and less tangible than seats that are literally a PITA to more than some people. Body type and pain tolerances probably play a lot into seat comfort.

the leather in our FXT looked mint at 71k miles and almost 10 years old, so its unfortunate that the seats were so damn uncomfortable.

'97 SVX seats = great
'02 WRX seats = great
'05 FXT seats = horrible
'05 LGT seats = mediocre at best
'15 Forester seats (test drive) = horrible

had several cars with factory Recaros, but i wouldn't say i've been spoiled - even with the crappy beater cars i've owned, i had no complaints about the seats. people can fanboi all they want, but several coworkers with Foresters ALL hate the seats. short trips weren't a problem, but anything over 30 minutes or so in those seats was bad - long road trips were extremely rough and made the trip worse than it should have been.
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^^ Agreed on the 05 LGT. Bought one of those new, too.
Horrible!! Again, leather.
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^^ Agreed on the 05 LGT. Bought one of those new, too.
Horrible!! Again, leather.
I have this car. After many long road trips, they are adequate. Not as good as the GTI, but I have little complaint from them for comfort. Could definitely use some extra plush and bolster.
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never had a problem with seat comfort until Subaru. the seats in my wife's 2002 WRX were decent, and it ended there. Legacy, Forester ... all garbage.

tried the latest Forester/WRX ... nope. the seats were the tipping point that kept us from buying another Forester.

maybe you're a weird-shaped pygmy and they fit you great?
6'4" 220lbs (with a hip pain problem), i have zero complaints about my base 2017 wrx seats. longest drive has been 7 hours. maybe i don't know what i'm missing, but so far it beats sitting in every car i've owned.
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6'4" 220lbs (with a hip pain problem), i have zero complaints about my base 2017 wrx seats. longest drive has been 7 hours. maybe i don't know what i'm missing, but so far it beats sitting in every car i've owned.
I guess I shouldn't have included the newer WRX ... only had a test drive, so not enough time to judge the seats. I didn't really like it for other reasons.

However, I could tell right away that the Forester seats were going to be the same as the old ones.
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the leather in our FXT looked mint at 71k miles and almost 10 years old, so its unfortunate that the seats were so damn uncomfortable.

'97 SVX seats = great
'02 WRX seats = great
'05 FXT seats = horrible
'05 LGT seats = mediocre at best
'15 Forester seats (test drive) = horrible

had several cars with factory Recaros, but i wouldn't say i've been spoiled - even with the crappy beater cars i've owned, i had no complaints about the seats. people can fanboi all they want, but several coworkers with Foresters ALL hate the seats. short trips weren't a problem, but anything over 30 minutes or so in those seats was bad - long road trips were extremely rough and made the trip worse than it should have been.
Pretty accurate assessment. I've had a 02 and 14 forester. The seats in the 02 were more comfortable. The 14 forester seats are pretty bad. I was amazed how much the seats regressed in the wrx/sti from 02 to 04. The 04 sti seats were terrible. Bouncy flat blue things. They are much better in my 17 limited but still less sporty than my 02. I wonder if they really did get alot off complaints from fat Americans?
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