Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Proven Power Bragging

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-28-2010, 12:28 PM   #1
Motion Lab Tuning
Former Vendor
 
Member#: 228856
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: AEM Infinity Trained
Default Motion Lab Tuned: Juanmedina's 2007 WRX E85 ARMY

Facility: Motion Lab Tuning
Type of Dyno: Mustang Dyne AWD 500
Baseline # for a stocker at the dyno: 210whp
Boost: 25psi -> 13
Fuel: E85
Target AFR: 12.0:1
SAE Corrections: Yes
Peak HP at RPM: 392whp @ 5k RPMs
Peak Torque at RPM: 506wtrq @ 3.6K RPMs
Mods: 2.5L forged pistons, 9.0:1 CR, Ported Heads, BC 272 Cams, CAI, Turbo Inlet, Equal Length Header, Motion Lab 3-Port BCS

Hard to believe folks - this WRX is a FREAK! After the first baseline pull I thought something was out of whack with the dyno. I went through everything twice to no avail. We did a second baseline pull with the same results.

From there we unmarried the Cobb AP and began with a freshly built Motion Lab Tuning ROM for this car. After some tweaking on the MAF scaling we got started. We couldn't get any more boost out of the car than it came in with.

The previous tune was too rich with too much igition timing. We were able to get some nice gains out of it with straight-forward tuning at the same boost levels as the baseline pulls.


By motionlabtuning at 2010-03-28

For comparison, 2 examples of other tuned WRXs on the same dyno.

By motionlabtuning at 2010-03-28


By motionlabtuning at 2010-03-28
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Motion Lab Tuning is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 03-28-2010, 12:39 PM   #2
scoobystas
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 26568
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Brighton, Mass
Vehicle:
2003 Yellow Bugeye
Version 8-Vf37

Default

wow 333hp at redline, i bet that will have +118mph traps

Last edited by scoobystas; 03-28-2010 at 12:47 PM. Reason: to increase the traps :)
scoobystas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #3
MattPersman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139385
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Indiana
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobystas View Post
wow 333hp at redline, i bet that will have +115mph traps
lol, it already did before.

Juan, glad to see you get it tuned out again finally. but cam's tune didn't look too far off dyno curve to dyno curve especially for a remote tune. so go and tear down the track in between semesters
MattPersman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 01:45 PM   #4
TDagen
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 163648
Join Date: Nov 2007
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Xona 78•64 UHF
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
V9 6mt R180 Brembos

Default

Juan this is with your vf39 on a mustang dyno?? Holy !! Do an airboy and datalog for us .... E85 ftw...Go for the vf record juan!!!
TDagen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 01:51 PM   #5
Boxer112
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 78751
Join Date: Jan 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: San Diego, CA (from NY)
Vehicle:
2017 Sti
ISM

Default

what turbo?
Boxer112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 02:00 PM   #6
CatfaceType-R
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 81102
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Micro aggression turnt
Default

not seeing how this is possible, especially on a mustang dyno

no hate, just never seen anything even withing 30whp, and not even close on a mustang dyno

my STi on vp109(race gas with higher octane than e85) did 312/360 on gst's mustang dyno
CatfaceType-R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 02:01 PM   #7
CatfaceType-R
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 81102
Join Date: Feb 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Micro aggression turnt
Default

sorry can't edit my post..no idea why


congrats juan, good luck at the strip my friend
CatfaceType-R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 02:02 PM   #8
TDagen
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 163648
Join Date: Nov 2007
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Xona 78•64 UHF
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
V9 6mt R180 Brembos

Default

^E85 > vp109 no argument .....
TDagen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 02:28 PM   #9
06-wrx-tr
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 185106
Join Date: Jul 2008
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: UT
Vehicle:
2006 Subaru WRX WRB
Mazda protege'

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by soon2bblackongold View Post
not seeing how this is possible, especially on a mustang dyno

no hate, just never seen anything even withing 30whp, and not even close on a mustang dyno

my STi on vp109(race gas with higher octane than e85) did 312/360 on gst's mustang dyno
ya i just dont think the 39 can flow enough to make this power/tq.
06-wrx-tr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 03:35 PM   #10
907Bum
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 183634
Join Date: Jul 2008
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: At the "B"
Vehicle:
02 wrx/ 92 ss
Booze fueled :)

Default

Even with the 9:1 cr and the E-85 i am on board with the 500 AWTQ being way out of the range of a VF39. Arguments aside as far as heat soak/efficiency range of the turbo I just think the turbo wouldn't have enough air to get the 500 AWTQ. I'd buy 450 AWTQ and that HP on E but this seems a bit high.
907Bum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 04:07 PM   #11
xdrian
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 104200
Join Date: Jan 2006
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Austin TX
Vehicle:
000 WHP BUGEYE
Street Proven Performance

Default

1/4 times or it didnt happen
xdrian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 05:24 PM   #12
Speed
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 67371
Join Date: Jul 2004
Vehicle:
05 BUILT 2.4L STI

Default

How much power does a stock STi puts down on that dyno?

Congrats! Now that's taking it to the max! With a good driver low 11's shouldn't be out of the question.
Speed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 05:25 PM   #13
STi Mikey
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 114631
Join Date: May 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: TheShopCT / EFI LOGICS
Vehicle:
2009 GTR, 735whp
13' Benz, 15' WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by soon2bblackongold View Post
not seeing how this is possible, especially on a mustang dyno



no hate, just never seen anything even withing 30whp, and not even close on a mustang dyno



my STi on vp109(race gas with higher octane than e85) did 312/360 on gst's mustang dyno




Just to put it into perspective Carmi, regardless on how this dyno is reading Juan's car is making 340-345whp on the airboy (he texted me earlier today).



Its a competitor for 118 traps on the vf for sure.
STi Mikey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 05:39 PM   #14
E85 WRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 219412
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chico
Default

hit the track man, lets see this beast!!
E85 WRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 05:50 PM   #15
crashtke
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 120912
Join Date: Jul 2006
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Atlanta, GA
Default

Possible it was in 2wd mode like that Cobb tune that made so much hp on a WRX? They later found it was in 2wd mode for the run.
crashtke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 05:53 PM   #16
Phatron
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 36033
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Tuning Lab
Vehicle:
CEO PhatBottiTuning
2006 STi GTX3582 + Meth

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Motion Lab Tuning View Post

The previous tune was too rich with too much igition timing.
What is your definition of too rich?

And how do you know how much timing the car was running on the baseline pull if you werent logging it?

Juan, can you please post before and after airboy plots?
Phatron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 06:04 PM   #17
juanmedina
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 133146
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SC
Vehicle:
07 FPgreen 7.37@95
WRX VF39+E85 12.0, 121mph

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xdrian View Post
1/4 times or it didn't happen
LOL dyno numbers are just numbers. IMO the numbers are off because my car is light, if I use stock weight numbers on my road dynos I get about the same power.

The car made gains everywhere from my old E-tuned camtuning map which was really good. I am REALLY impress with the Motion Lab 3-port EBC, I tough I was going to loose spool by switching my Hallman MBC but not, the spool is identical, it actually holds about .5psi more at redline. The car feels really smooth, and the cold starts are excellent.

Last edited by juanmedina; 03-28-2010 at 06:17 PM.
juanmedina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 06:07 PM   #18
Phatron
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 36033
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Tuning Lab
Vehicle:
CEO PhatBottiTuning
2006 STi GTX3582 + Meth

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatron View Post
Juan, can you please post before and after airboy plots?
^^ juan
Phatron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 06:12 PM   #19
C J
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 132587
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Lincoln, NE
Vehicle:
2006 JrTuned STi
8.69@164mph

Default

Can't wait to see track results, hoping to see some decent trap speeds buddy!
C J is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 06:13 PM   #20
rek888v2
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 71287
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Vehicle:
S202 #387, Type RA
#169 and an 04 STi

Default

This makes no sence to me. 500 WTQ with a VF 39??? Thats WAY outsiude its efficancy range even with a built motor with 9:1 compression.

Why not use the AP?

This car needs to do this on another Mustang dyno or Im calling BS. Like mentioned above, was the dyno in 4 wheel or 2 wheel and when was the last time it was serviced and calibrated?
rek888v2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 06:17 PM   #21
juanmedina
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 133146
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SC
Vehicle:
07 FPgreen 7.37@95
WRX VF39+E85 12.0, 121mph

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatron View Post
^^ juan
I specifically ask Todd not to log my current map. One sec.

I can see drama in my future
juanmedina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 06:49 PM   #22
juanmedina
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 133146
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SC
Vehicle:
07 FPgreen 7.37@95
WRX VF39+E85 12.0, 121mph

Default

juanmedina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 06:56 PM   #23
Speed
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 67371
Join Date: Jul 2004
Vehicle:
05 BUILT 2.4L STI

Default

That's more like it.
Speed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 07:18 PM   #24
Phatron
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 36033
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Tuning Lab
Vehicle:
CEO PhatBottiTuning
2006 STi GTX3582 + Meth

Default

well....here are the numbers from the BASELINE pull from the original post.

same boost, same fuel.....and apparently "too much timing".

I think the plots and curves speak for themselves.



Phatron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 07:48 PM   #25
STi Mikey
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 114631
Join Date: May 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: TheShopCT / EFI LOGICS
Vehicle:
2009 GTR, 735whp
13' Benz, 15' WRX

Default

Im not here for any type of drama, but i do have a few comments.

I learned from Vaus (EQ Tuning) a while ago through a few PM's that breaking records takes tuning in real world conditions. This season, I will tweak my ROM every time I go out to the track, for specific conditions.

A final number on a chasis dyno means nothing. The final power band, however, means everything. Juan's car may not have been tweaked on the street, hence the 30whp difference @ 6500 on the airboy plots. The numbers hit on the dyno are, in all honesty, wall art. Its what the car does on a straight away, in open air, that counts.

I do not mean this in a negative way what so ever. But if anyone on here was to take this car to the track... Using real world data, you would have to go with the map that produced the most area under the curve (once again in real world conditions). It takes tweaking an "unstrapped" car in open air to do this.

-Mikey
STi Mikey is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The E85 Army Thread juanmedina Proven Power Bragging 8908 11-24-2021 01:15 PM
Motion Lab Tuned: 19T TD04 2004 WRX - 289whp / 266wtrq Motion Lab Tuning Proven Power Bragging 20 06-02-2013 01:06 PM
Dyno Tune: Motion Lab Tuning Makes 264whp On A '02 WRX TD04 + 2.5L w/STi Cams Motion Lab Tuning Proven Power Bragging 7 02-09-2010 06:17 PM
Tune from Motion Lab Tuning in Charlotte, NC RPA Performance South East Region Forum 3 11-04-2009 04:05 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.