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Old 08-21-2018, 10:43 AM   #101
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I have CarPlay in my 2018 STi (aftermarket). Yes, it's cool. It's a seamless integration of your phone with the car. And if you're like me, all your music is streamed from your phone (either network streaming or from music loaded on the phone). BUT... NO WAYis it worth $2K. Especially when there are plenty of great solutions available that will give you much better sound in addition to CarPlay at a fraction (<33%) of the cost. Will it look exactly like the OEM head unit, no. But some of the options look pretty nice. I like the look of the Seicane Android head unit except for one thing... it's not flush with the dash. But there are a lot of other double DIN head units that support Apple CarPlay to choose from. In my opinion, aftermarket is the way to go.

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Old 08-21-2018, 11:18 AM   #102
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I agree there are a lot of good aftermarket options. Which one did you get?Many seem really nice, but no one seems to be the clear winner, especially for wireless.

From what I have read: Alpine 107 is missing a lot of features and has a poor screen. Alpine 207 adds the features but loses wireless. Pioneer W4400NEX looks nice but has a resistive screen. Pioneer W8400 adds the capacitive screen, but costs $1200 and has nav which is not needed with carplay. None of them have a physical volume knob which I am also worried I would miss (I know a Sony unit does, but I don't think it is Maestro RR compatible).
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:26 AM   #103
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I agree there are a lot of good aftermarket options. Which one did you get?Many seem really nice, but no one seems to be the clear winner, especially for wireless.

From what I have read: Alpine 107 is missing a lot of features and has a poor screen. Alpine 207 adds the features but loses wireless. Pioneer W4400NEX looks nice but has a resistive screen. Pioneer W8400 adds the capacitive screen, but costs $1200 and has nav which is not needed with carplay. None of them have a physical volume knob which I am also worried I would miss (I know a Sony unit does, but I don't think it is Maestro RR compatible).
Honestly, it's very difficult to tell the difference between capacitive and resistive touch screens these days.

I had a resistant touch screen HU on my 08 WRX almost 10 years ago and THAT was definitely different than the capacitive screens that came afterward. However, modern resistive ones are still very responsive to touch, so I wouldn't discount them at all.

Also, don't worry about the volume knob thing. With SWC, you'll be using that instead and never miss the lack of knob.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:47 AM   #104
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I agree there are a lot of good aftermarket options. Which one did you get?Many seem really nice, but no one seems to be the clear winner, especially for wireless.

From what I have read: Alpine 107 is missing a lot of features and has a poor screen. Alpine 207 adds the features but loses wireless. Pioneer W4400NEX looks nice but has a resistive screen. Pioneer W8400 adds the capacitive screen, but costs $1200 and has nav which is not needed with carplay. None of them have a physical volume knob which I am also worried I would miss (I know a Sony unit does, but I don't think it is Maestro RR compatible).
I went with the Pioneer AVIC 8200 NEX. It's half the price of the 8400. Still has nav though which really isn't needed with Apple CarPlay (as you noted). I missed the physical knob for volume control at the very beginning. But quickly learned to used the push buttons for volume that are at the bottom of the tough screen (these are small physical buttons on the bezel, not part of the touch screen itself). Since I like to take advantage of Apple CarPlay, I don't do much wireless connection with my phone. CarPlay requires a USB connection and doesn't work over Bluetooth.

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Old 08-22-2018, 10:04 AM   #105
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None of them have a physical volume knob which I am also worried I would miss (I know a Sony unit does, but I don't think it is Maestro RR compatible).
Sony announced the Maestro compatible units this weekend in Dallas, at knowledgefest.

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DALLAS, Aug. 16, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- Sony Electronics Inc. today announced the AV Center XAV-AX210 at the Mobile Electronics Association's KnowledgeFest 2018. The update to the acclaimed XAV-AX200 adds iDatalink® Maestro* support, a new way to connect car audio without losing the vehicle's originally equipped functions, providing a seamless interface with factory infotainment and vehicle information such as air conditioning, performance and safety.
"Sony is focused on the needs of drivers that seek premium car audio sound, as well as seamless connectivity," said Yang Cheng, director of product marketing, Mobile and Car Audio, Sony Electronics North America. "With the AV Center XAV-AX210, we provide an innovative product that integrates the driver's platform of choice along with Sony's premium audio quality."

XAV-AX210 Key Features

iDatalink® Maestro: a new way to connect car audio without losing the vehicle's originally equipped functions. It provides a seamless interface with factory infotainment and vehicle information such as air conditioning, performance and safety
Apple CarPlay:** a smarter, safer way to use iPhone on the road; Apple CarPlay seamlessly integrates iPhones with the car audio's display and controls; drivers can make phone calls, access music, send and receive messages, get directions and more while staying focused on the road
Android Auto™:*** Google Assistant is now integrated into Android Auto, which extends the Android platform into the car in a way that is purpose-built for driving; with a simple and intuitive interface and powerful new voice actions, it minimizes distractions and automatically brings useful information organized into simple cards that appear when needed
Bluetooth® Technology: offers hands-free calling and wireless audio streaming between mobile devices and the receiver with touchscreen phone book
55Wx4 Max / 20Wx4 RMS DRA2 with EXTRA BASS™ Circuitry:**** a built-in 4-channel amplifier delivers 55 watts x 4 (max. at 4 ohms) / 20 watts x 4 (RMS at 4 ohms) output power with DRA2 (Dynamic Reality Amp 2) power IC; the EXTRA BASS™ works to overcome engine noise and reproduce clear punchy sound at any volume level; the 2-mode boost steps allow delicate and heavy boost settings to suit the driver's mood
Improved Sound Optimization: the DSO (Dynamic Stage Organizer) creates ambient sound as if there were speakers on the dashboard; the 10-band equalizer (EQ10) with 10 pre-sets provides easy and effective frequency adjustment for various listening environments
FLAC Audio File Compatible (via USB terminal): free Lossless Audio Codec (FLAC), is an audio format similar to MP3, but with the difference that it compresses without any loss in quality; the XAV-AX210 can play back FLAC files allowing up to 24-bit depth sampling frequency at 96 kHz (down-converted to 48 kHz for playback)
Rear View Camera Ready with 3-External Camera Input: this newly introduced feature allows passengers to see a selected image among three connected cameras; one input relates to the reverse while the other two can be selected manually
High Voltage Pre-out (4V): provides a powerful 4-volt signal that attains clearer sound with less distortion when the head unit is connected to the power amplifier
Ergonomically Designed Rotary Volume: the ergonomically designed rotary volume with machine-cut aluminum top and an integrated button provides instant access to the optional menu that includes source selections and sound adjustments while minimizing distractions behind the wheel
Clear and Responsive 6.4-inch Touch Screen: features 'lighter touch' operation with optimal visibility
SiriusXM Radio ready: capable of providing a seamless, fully integrated satellite radio experience
CD/DVD Player: brings tunes and entertainment to life on every adventure
Configurable Steering Wheel Remote Input: covers general command protocol, so no adaptors are necessary for signal conversion between steering wheel and the head unit.
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About time, Sony! They generally have even better pricing than the others, so glad to see them enter the lineup!
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About time, Sony! They generally have even better pricing than the others, so glad to see them enter the lineup!
the executives from Japan showed up for the event as well, so that doesnt happen everyday either.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:42 AM   #108
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the executives from Japan showed up for the event as well, so that doesnt happen everyday either.
I really like the look of the Sony unit. I wish they had a wireless option as well.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:43 PM   #109
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I bought a new 2019 WRX/STi Limited August 1st. The Apple CarPlay does not work at all. I have tried it with an iPhone 5S and an iPhone X, neither one will work.

I can stream audio from the iPhone through the USB port, but the head unit never activates the apple car play. Instead it recognizes the phones as an iPod. The icon for Apple CarPlay stays grayed out.

However, the Android Auto works like a champ. No issues with that one. Subaru has been chasing their tails for weeks and have not been able to resolve this issue.

I spent some time searching the internet (and these forums) for solutions or similar issues, but I failed to find anything.

Anyone have any ideas if there is anything I can do to get this POS to work?

Sorry if I am hijacking the thread.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:25 AM   #110
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I bought a new 2019 WRX/STi Limited August 1st. The Apple CarPlay does not work at all. I have tried it with an iPhone 5S and an iPhone X, neither one will work.

I can stream audio from the iPhone through the USB port, but the head unit never activates the apple car play. Instead it recognizes the phones as an iPod. The icon for Apple CarPlay stays grayed out.

However, the Android Auto works like a champ. No issues with that one. Subaru has been chasing their tails for weeks and have not been able to resolve this issue.

I spent some time searching the internet (and these forums) for solutions or similar issues, but I failed to find anything.

Anyone have any ideas if there is anything I can do to get this POS to work?

Sorry if I am hijacking the thread.
Have you tried going into the iPhones general setting and under carplay. You can do a reset on the vehicle, in this case the subaru. I had similar issues with my honda ridgeline and that reset worked for me.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:50 AM   #111
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I bought a new 2019 WRX/STi Limited August 1st. The Apple CarPlay does not work at all. I have tried it with an iPhone 5S and an iPhone X, neither one will work.

I can stream audio from the iPhone through the USB port, but the head unit never activates the apple car play. Instead it recognizes the phones as an iPod. The icon for Apple CarPlay stays grayed out.

However, the Android Auto works like a champ. No issues with that one. Subaru has been chasing their tails for weeks and have not been able to resolve this issue.

I spent some time searching the internet (and these forums) for solutions or similar issues, but I failed to find anything.

Anyone have any ideas if there is anything I can do to get this POS to work?

Sorry if I am hijacking the thread.
Try plugging your USB cable into the other USB port in the console. Some HU support CarPlay on one port and Android Auto on the other. I don't know if the Subaru HU is like this, but it's easy to try.

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Old 08-24-2018, 09:43 AM   #112
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Try plugging your USB cable into the other USB port in the console. Some HU support CarPlay on one port and Android Auto on the other. I don't know if the Subaru HU is like this, but it's easy to try.

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Thanks for the advice. I have tried several things that I did not include in my post:
- I have tried both USB ports with a multitude of cables/iPhones combinations. The symptoms are all the same.
- I activated the hidden menu (Hold home and press in the right knob twice). I found no helpful settings/information there.
- Dealer reset the HU multiple ways and it still won't work.
- I plugged my iPhone5S/cable into a 2018 Impreza Sport HU and the Apple CarPlay fired up like it should.

It seems to me this is a software issue with the HU. I would be interested to know if anyone has one of these HUs which is working. I would like to compare firmware revisions.
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:32 AM   #113
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The dealer really needs to get on the ball and address this for you. They should have immediately ordered a new HU after they were unsuccessful at getting CarPlay to work. This is no different than the A/C or heat not working in the car.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:31 PM   #114
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Maybe they gave me the wrong part number since it kind of doesn't make sense for the new part number to be lower than the old. Also, Canada may have different part numbers or use different parts all together. You mentioned that you don't have telematic units and we do in the US. Sorry haven't showed your part number to the part guy. But appreciate the reply. Hoping that someone out there is bold enough (and with enough cash ) to try this and prove to all of us that it can or can't be done.
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Old 08-29-2018, 09:15 AM   #115
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Thanks for the advice. I have tried several things that I did not include in my post:
- I have tried both USB ports with a multitude of cables/iPhones combinations. The symptoms are all the same.
- I activated the hidden menu (Hold home and press in the right knob twice). I found no helpful settings/information there.
- Dealer reset the HU multiple ways and it still won't work.
- I plugged my iPhone5S/cable into a 2018 Impreza Sport HU and the Apple CarPlay fired up like it should.

It seems to me this is a software issue with the HU. I would be interested to know if anyone has one of these HUs which is working. I would like to compare firmware revisions.
Did you check if your iPhone has Siri on? It needs to have Siri enabled for CarPlay to work.


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Maybe they gave me the wrong part number since it kind of doesn't make sense for the new part number to be lower than the old. Also, Canada may have different part numbers or use different parts all together. You mentioned that you don't have telematic units and we do in the US. Sorry haven't showed your part number to the part guy. But appreciate the reply. Hoping that someone out there is bold enough (and with enough cash ) to try this and prove to all of us that it can or can't be done.
Yeah, I might need an in-cabin and engine air filter soon so I'll see about running both part numbers when I go into the dealer.

I just wish someone could take apart theirs and find a part number on the unit or snap a detailed pic of the connections on the back. Anyone willing to tear apart their brand new car? haha
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Old 09-07-2018, 12:53 AM   #116
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Did you check if your iPhone has Siri on? It needs to have Siri enabled for CarPlay to work.
I have plugged my phone into a 2018 outback and the apple CarPlay fired up immediately. So it is not the phone.

I am starting hear that there my be a issue with all the “high end” head units with Apple CarPlay.

I have the 2019 limited sti with Harmon Kardon. The problem is definitely in the software on the head unit.

Anyone have one of these head units and it is working, please post the firmware version. I am very interested.
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I have plugged my phone into a 2018 outback and the apple CarPlay fired up immediately. So it is not the phone.

I am starting hear that there my be a issue with all the “high end” head units with Apple CarPlay.

I have the 2019 limited sti with Harmon Kardon. The problem is definitely in the software on the head unit.

Anyone have one of these head units and it is working, please post the firmware version. I am very interested.
Ah ok. One last thing, after plugging it in, did you check your phone to see if you have to unlock it for it to connect through USB?

I've had to do that once in a while with the our Impreza since the last iOS update because of the new security "feature" that prevents USB access without permission. Sometimes I don't have to unlock it, but other times I've had to and it won't even charge unless I unlock it.
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:48 AM   #118
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The Maestro RR does the communicating for you. The appropriate harness from idatalink for 2016 & 2017 systems running the HK audio will interface with the pre-outs of your aftermarket HU, and the Maestro unit will make the appropriate signal routing to the vehicle's harness which routes to the factory amp. Thus, to the amp, everything looks as normal. Maestro RR handles the signal routing.



It's the 2018+ models that don't yet have all of it together yet, since iDL has only just come up with the MRR2 that has the additional CANBUS's needed.


Do you have a link to where you get all the stuff you needed to install the after market HU to work with the HK package? I’m planning to this on my 2017 Limited. TIA
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:15 PM   #119
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Anyone installed the MVH-2400NEX in a wrx? I've got a 2018 premium, and am looking to retain steering wheel controls, backup cam, and usb. Is this a huge pain in the ass to do, or even possible? I fig I can retain controls with Maestro, but not sure about the usb and backup camera. Also, ss the maestro easy to set up? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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