Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday September 19, 2019
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Built Motor Discussion

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-25-2019, 04:57 PM   #1
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default Need a lawyer from Jersey!

Had close to 17k of work done from a company in New Jersey. Went on for 2 years and only got 3000miles out of the car with NUMEROUS documented incidents. Anyone willing to help will be greatly appreciated
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 07-25-2019, 05:51 PM   #2
pcampbell
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 437670
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2005 2.5 SC OB

Default Need a lawyer from Jersey!

Damn. Willing to say the company?
pcampbell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2019, 06:52 PM   #3
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcampbell View Post
Damn. Willing to say the company?
Would love too, but not trying to start a fire..... yet.
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2019, 04:37 PM   #4
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Or has anyone been in this situation and had it work out for them? Had 5 incidences with this company and dont feel like I should have to spend another dime. Was even willing to split the cost to have it done all over again and I was told what happened was "an act of god"....
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2019, 06:23 PM   #5
subaru_gc8
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29292
Join Date: Nov 2002
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Orange County CA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX wagon
silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrunz02 View Post
Or has anyone been in this situation and had it work out for them? Had 5 incidences with this company and dont feel like I should have to spend another dime. Was even willing to split the cost to have it done all over again and I was told what happened was "an act of god"....
do you have a bureau of automotive repair in NY?

found this for you
https://dmv.ny.gov/brochure/know-you...ts-auto-repair
subaru_gc8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2019, 11:47 PM   #6
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subaru_gc8 View Post
do you have a bureau of automotive repair in NY?

found this for you
https://dmv.ny.gov/brochure/know-you...ts-auto-repair
Thank you, I'll be sure to read through it
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2019, 03:45 AM   #7
GlarryHoodDIT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 460907
Join Date: Jan 2017
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Colorado
Vehicle:
2016 WRX

Default

Keep in mind, a company located in New Jersey will not be subject to New York state laws, so that DMV link probably won't do a whole lot.

First though, what are you alleging, negligence or fraud (being a dick isn't illegal)? With either of these you are going to need to prove things like intent and that they knew what they were doing was wrong and they continued to do the work regardless. The fact that you got 3000 miles out of the motor is not going to work in your favor. Granted, I don't know the story, but it is very easy to allege customer abuse with that many miles, especially if the car is being built for the track- which you will need to say because for 17k I'm gonna bet that car isn't close to street legal.

Keep in mind, the person hearing this case is likely not going to know a piston from a camshaft, you will have to prove more than just incompetence.

If you're serious about this, get off NASIOC and find an actual lawyer who will explain to you what you're getting yourself into.
GlarryHoodDIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2019, 06:08 AM   #8
Judee21
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 503398
Join Date: Jun 2019
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GlarryHoodDIT View Post
Keep in mind, a company located in New Jersey will not be subject to New York state laws, so that DMV link probably won't do a whole lot.

First though, what are you alleging, negligence or fraud (being a dick isn't illegal)? With either of these you are going to need to prove things like intent and that they knew what they were doing was wrong and they continued to do the work regardless. The fact that you got 3000 miles out of the motor is not going to work in your favor. Granted, I don't know the story, but it is very easy to allege customer abuse with that many miles, especially if the car is being built for the track- which you will need to say because for 17k I'm gonna bet that car isn't close to street legal.

Keep in mind, the person hearing this case is likely not going to know a piston from a camshaft, you will have to prove more than just incompetence.

If you're serious about this, get off NASIOC and find an actual lawyer who will explain to you what you're getting yourself into.
+1
Judee21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2019, 10:47 PM   #9
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GlarryHoodDIT View Post
Keep in mind, a company located in New Jersey will not be subject to New York state laws, so that DMV link probably won't do a whole lot.

First though, what are you alleging, negligence or fraud (being a dick isn't illegal)? With either of these you are going to need to prove things like intent and that they knew what they were doing was wrong and they continued to do the work regardless. The fact that you got 3000 miles out of the motor is not going to work in your favor. Granted, I don't know the story, but it is very easy to allege customer abuse with that many miles, especially if the car is being built for the track- which you will need to say because for 17k I'm gonna bet that car isn't close to street legal.

Keep in mind, the person hearing this case is likely not going to know a piston from a camshaft, you will have to prove more than just incompetence.

If you're serious about this, get off NASIOC and find an actual lawyer who will explain to you what you're getting yourself into.
Car was street legal, 17k bc everytime something went wrong they talked me into doing more work. I was afraid to start the car, let alone beat on it and their lead builder who physically built my motor went to a different company because of in differences, whom I've been in contact with. Also, someone backed into my vehicle while it was in their possession and failed to tell me until I spotted it on site...
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2019, 10:51 PM   #10
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GlarryHoodDIT View Post
Keep in mind, a company located in New Jersey will not be subject to New York state laws, so that DMV link probably won't do a whole lot.

First though, what are you alleging, negligence or fraud (being a dick isn't illegal)? With either of these you are going to need to prove things like intent and that they knew what they were doing was wrong and they continued to do the work regardless. The fact that you got 3000 miles out of the motor is not going to work in your favor. Granted, I don't know the story, but it is very easy to allege customer abuse with that many miles, especially if the car is being built for the track- which you will need to say because for 17k I'm gonna bet that car isn't close to street legal.

Keep in mind, the person hearing this case is likely not going to know a piston from a camshaft, you will have to prove more than just incompetence.

If you're serious about this, get off NASIOC and find an actual lawyer who will explain to you what you're getting yourself into.
Also if u would like to really know my story u can dm me and I can give u all the info u need. I'm just looking for advice considering I spent a down payment on a house on a toy....
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2019, 03:30 AM   #11
GlarryHoodDIT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 460907
Join Date: Jan 2017
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Colorado
Vehicle:
2016 WRX

Default

Contact the New Jersey Divison of Consumer Affairs. There is an option to file a complaint through the website, if you're lucky you may get it resolved through this- but I'd say that's somewhat unlikely. https://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/

You need to contact a lawyer, in New Jersey, who specializes in Consumer Protection Law. I don't live there and I have zero idea what the laws are like for Jersey as far as consumer protection go. Call a few Law Offices, explain your situation, and take it from there.

You can file the complaint first, or see what the lawyer says, either way you need to get on this ASAP.
GlarryHoodDIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2019, 10:15 AM   #12
motorbykemike
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 273868
Join Date: Feb 2011
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

why is this in built motor discussion ?
motorbykemike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2019, 02:07 PM   #13
Hyper
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 15822
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: MOCKBA
Vehicle:
1999 WRB GM6
2.34 LR destroker

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by motorbykemike View Post
why is this in built motor discussion ?
he is building a case
Hyper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2019, 01:46 PM   #14
rtv900
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 428511
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: philadelphia
Vehicle:
2016 STI

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrunz02 View Post
Car was street legal, 17k bc everytime something went wrong they talked me into doing more work..
^this reminds me of small claims court TV where somebody would complain that they loaned a person money, got stiffed and wanted a decision in their favor to get their money back.
And then they'd go mention a 2nd and 3rd loan that also didn't get paid back, at which point the judge would laugh and tell them after you get stiffed once it's YOUR fault you were foolish enough to loan more money.

anyway, I'm not saying that was the case here because you have provided literally zero details as to what actually happened.
Maybe you got stiffed and they are shysters
Or maybe they did what they were paid to do and you either beat the crap out of the car, neglected maintenance or did unqualified work yourself.

Nobody knows.

Can't you just pick out ONE tidbit out of the many things that went wrong and just tell us the most objective, clear situation where they were either blatantly negligent or incompetent or defrauded you?
rtv900 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2019, 10:45 AM   #15
Patrick Olsen
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 120
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Where the Navy sends me...
Vehicle:
1997 Legacy 2.5GT
1996 Impreza coupe

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by motorbykemike View Post
why is this in built motor discussion ?
he is building a case
BA-dum-dum! He'll be in town all week, folks!
Patrick Olsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 06:50 AM   #16
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rtv900 View Post
^this reminds me of small claims court TV where somebody would complain that they loaned a person money, got stiffed and wanted a decision in their favor to get their money back.
And then they'd go mention a 2nd and 3rd loan that also didn't get paid back, at which point the judge would laugh and tell them after you get stiffed once it's YOUR fault you were foolish enough to loan more money.

anyway, I'm not saying that was the case here because you have provided literally zero details as to what actually happened.
Maybe you got stiffed and they are shysters
Or maybe they did what they were paid to do and you either beat the crap out of the car, neglected maintenance or did unqualified work yourself.

Nobody knows.

Can't you just pick out ONE tidbit out of the many things that went wrong and just tell us the most objective, clear situation where they were either blatantly negligent or incompetent or defrauded you?
Brought the car down to them, they had the car for about 8 months, got the car back drove it home for the break in period 2 miles from my house alll the coolant poured out. The next say they sent a tech to fix it.... fine. Then the car started running like ****, open the oil cap smoke pouring out. Drove it BACK down to Jersey, car shut off right in their parking lot. Now while it's there they talk me into getting a closed deck cased half, headers, and coil packs. I did. They have it for another 2 months. Go down to pick it up, the coolant leaks out in THIER parking lot. Go home empty handed. Few weeks later I get the car back, still not running right, have to get it towed back down. My uncle owns a body shop so I had him tow it from upstate New York to jersey for 200$, the builder played for it fine.... go down again to pick up the car and noticed some dents and scratches, someone had backed into it while they had it and failed to mention it to me. Get home drive it for the summer had them do the flex kit, car only ran good on e85, then the fuel line started leaking, that I fixed bc they said it wasnt under warranty. I store the car EVERY winter. I'm afraid to start it, let alone drive it. Last winter I drained the e85 ran 2 tanks of 93 and treated the fuel. They did all maintenance on the car, and when I say all I mean the one oil change bc I got only 3k miles out if the build. I wish I can put photos up of the pistons look like bc theres no way in hell I could "beat" the car for them to look like this
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 07:19 AM   #17
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rtv900 View Post
^this reminds me of small claims court TV where somebody would complain that they loaned a person money, got stiffed and wanted a decision in their favor to get their money back.
And then they'd go mention a 2nd and 3rd loan that also didn't get paid back, at which point the judge would laugh and tell them after you get stiffed once it's YOUR fault you were foolish enough to loan more money.

anyway, I'm not saying that was the case here because you have provided literally zero details as to what actually happened.
Maybe you got stiffed and they are shysters
Or maybe they did what they were paid to do and you either beat the crap out of the car, neglected maintenance or did unqualified work yourself.

Nobody knows.

Can't you just pick out ONE tidbit out of the many things that went wrong and just tell us the most objective, clear situation where they were either blatantly negligent or incompetent or defrauded you?
Dm me for contact info and I can provide u with pictures and receipts. I pulled the car out in April and it spun a bearing... first time out. They told me it was an act of god... and they used that I brought it someplace else against me. I dont want them touching my car! When u invest close to 17k into a company I expected very limited amount of problems. The pics show my pistons and they ARE BLACK, cars with 300k miles piston dont even look like that
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 11:54 AM   #18
PDXREALTOR
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 468393
Join Date: May 2017
Location: PDX OREGON
Vehicle:
2017 STI

Default

Only one oil change?
PDXREALTOR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 12:07 PM   #19
rtv900
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 428511
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: philadelphia
Vehicle:
2016 STI

Default

man your explanation is so hard to understand with the run on sentences.
let me take a shot

1) you had them do a build for an amount we don't know. It was a total failure.
2) then rather than just have them fix the job they did the first time they talked you into a complete new build? At what additional cost?
3) then you take possession and it still isn't right, but they fixed it
4) while they had it somebody dented it up
5) then you drove it for the summer and THEN had them do a flex fuel set up? For what additional money? Or was this part of the 2nd build? (unclear)
6) then problems with some fuel leaking
7) then spun bearing after winter storage? How was it stored?

And now you obviously have it torn down if you are taking pics of pistons so who tore it down and where is it?
Plus, ok the pistons are black, is there any damage to them or just black?

Not trying to be a dick but the story is really hard to follow and unclear and lots of details missing.
rtv900 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 06:05 PM   #20
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rtv900 View Post
man your explanation is so hard to understand with the run on sentences.
let me take a shot

1) you had them do a build for an amount we don't know. It was a total failure.
2) then rather than just have them fix the job they did the first time they talked you into a complete new build? At what additional cost?
3) then you take possession and it still isn't right, but they fixed it
4) while they had it somebody dented it up
5) then you drove it for the summer and THEN had them do a flex fuel set up? For what additional money? Or was this part of the 2nd build? (unclear)
6) then problems with some fuel leaking
7) then spun bearing after winter storage? How was it stored?

And now you obviously have it torn down if you are taking pics of pistons so who tore it down and where is it?
Plus, ok the pistons are black, is there any damage to them or just black?

Not trying to be a dick but the story is really hard to follow and unclear and lots of details missing.
So I went down one summer, I believe it to be 2016, met the guys and got a quote. The price started at 10k. After dropping off the car off in late summer, I was told to come get it right before winter to break it in for 500miles.

I picked the car up, drove it home, and 2 miles before my house allll the coolant leaks out. Builder told me it was ok to drive the few miles home. The next day he sent a tech from a near by shop to fix it.

After that I continued the break in period and it didnt run right. Theres like a 1" rubber vent tube under the drivers side that kept pouring out smoke. Sent a vid to the builder, and he tells me drive it back down. I drive it back down, and the car dies right in their lot. Just made it. Now I tell them fix it and they should just break it in.

About a month or so later they get to fixing the car after talking me into a remanufactured iag closed deck cased halves, headers, crank shaft, and coil packs. More money.... so I go down to watch them tune the car, and I asked them if they did the 500 mile break in and he said it was necessary they had done a few pulls on the dyno before i got there. Picked the car up and was on my way.

A few months later i had more issues car was making noise and had it towed down by my uncle, who only charged the 200 for the tow. Again the motor had to be pulled and played with. Then again, a month later, went to pick up the car, get there and all the coolant leaked out in their lot. I went home without the car. Then a few weeks later I go to pick up the car, and they had it buried in the back I walk up on the car and saw it had some scratches and dents. The builder then says "oh yea, our chemical guy backed into it". They gave me his info and was the chemical guy took care of it.

Take the car out of storage in late spring seems to be ok running a lil rough in low rpms (never driven a built car before). Mid summer I call them to do the first service and possibly interested in the flex fuel kit. But I wanted to make sure the car was in ok shape first. They serviced the car said it was all good and I had the flex kit installed in june of 2018

Car drove great on e85 and made like 460whp with a top mount...

November rolls around and I smell fuel. The fuel line was leaking and pissing on to the friggin starter. Parked thr car for a few weeks hoping to have them send me a new fuel line. Supposedly the fuel line wasnt under warranty anymore so I paid for a new one and replaced it myself. They were rated for e85, my assumption that it was pinched when they pulled the motor in and out bc none of the other ones leaked.

End of November I parked the car again for the winter and winterized it AND did my own oil change. Had a nice day in april and took the car out, started like I never parked it, no smoke no noises. Drove the car around town all day. On my way back to park it a car pulls next to me I hear a ticking noise (thinking it was the car next to me). Turns out the bearing spun.

Furious with this whole situation I bring it to another guy who took the motor apart and found the bearing was spun and the pistons were BLACK and MELTED. The head of one of the pistons were pealing off.

I contacted the original builder to explain what had happened and they told me it was an act of god and that this never happens to them. The bearing ( King bearings) fell right out of the rod.

I'm not looking to have them reimburse for all of my money, I would of been happy with splitting the cost of this whole rebuild with me. But I was told to go take a hike....
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 06:09 PM   #21
jrunz02
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189204
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza Wrx Sti
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rtv900 View Post
man your explanation is so hard to understand with the run on sentences.
let me take a shot

1) you had them do a build for an amount we don't know. It was a total failure.
2) then rather than just have them fix the job they did the first time they talked you into a complete new build? At what additional cost?
3) then you take possession and it still isn't right, but they fixed it
4) while they had it somebody dented it up
5) then you drove it for the summer and THEN had them do a flex fuel set up? For what additional money? Or was this part of the 2nd build? (unclear)
6) then problems with some fuel leaking
7) then spun bearing after winter storage? How was it stored?

And now you obviously have it torn down if you are taking pics of pistons so who tore it down and where is it?
Plus, ok the pistons are black, is there any damage to them or just black?

Not trying to be a dick but the story is really hard to follow and unclear and lots of details missing.
Send me ur number and I will send u pics of the pistons and rings and crank. Theres no way that with 3000miles the pistons could look like this. Even if I put the pedal to the mat for hours it wouldnt look like this. And e85 if anything would have gotten rid of the black off the pistons... car never ran right in the 3 years this has been going on
jrunz02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2019 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.