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Old 01-10-2017, 03:54 PM   #1151
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:21 PM   #1152
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Just catback exhaust. Everything stock.
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:27 PM   #1153
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Have few new aftermarket parts I'd like to install.

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Old 01-11-2017, 12:50 PM   #1154
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Just got update from dealership and they can still say is that they can't diagnose the no start.. Ive told them what I've heard on here and now theyre looking into my ecu to see.. everything makes sense for fuel injector issue. As my oils overfull and I'm close on next change.. I had the seal problem stall out issue yet there's no significant damage to the turbo or seal.. internally my car may be damaged and that's why it's not starting and they just want to get the car started lol.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:48 PM   #1155
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After running several tests on the gas in the car they've found multiple problems with the gas itself one of them being there's no alcohol in the gas. Supposedly, they won't cover the repairs even though my car is under warranty still. I've taken this up with my insurance and I have filed a claim.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:01 PM   #1156
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After running several tests on the gas in the car they've found multiple problems with the gas itself one of them being there's no alcohol in the gas. Supposedly, they won't cover the repairs even though my car is under warranty still. I've taken this up with my insurance and I have filed a claim.
**** like this is why i just went ahead and modded.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:32 PM   #1157
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After running several tests on the gas in the car they've found multiple problems with the gas itself one of them being there's no alcohol in the gas. Supposedly, they won't cover the repairs even though my car is under warranty still. I've taken this up with my insurance and I have filed a claim.
I think bad gas is more often a problem than we think, and with motors like the FA20 DIT that are already close to the limits bad gas could add knock on top of extremely high cylinder pressures and there go the rods...

The motor can't adjust instantly to bad gas, it takes some knock to activate the sensor that will dial back timing and/or boost to avoid knock.

In this case I think your insurance should cover you and go after the gas station for the cost of repairs.

I try to fill up at the same Shell station all the time, and if I'm traveling I'll try to find a Shell station. I think consistency is good, the ecu gets used to a certain quality of gas.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:34 PM   #1158
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**** like this is why i just went ahead and modded.
Yeah last time I checked, E10 wasn't mandatory to run a gasoline engine, nor is it recommended or required by the owner's manual. In fact... apologies for the text wall:

Except STI
The engine is designed to operate using unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 AKI (95 RON) or higher. If 91 AKI (95 RON) fuel is not readily available, unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87 AKI (90 RON) may be used. Regular unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87 AKI (90 RON) or higher may also be used. Using regular unleaded gasoline will not be detrimental to engine durability, nor will it affect your warranty coverage. However, depending on your driving habits and conditions, you may notice a decrease in maximum engine performance, fuel economy or slight engine vibration or knocking. If you experience any of these conditions while using a lower octane rated fuel, you may want to return to using 91 AKI (95 RON) octane rated fuel as soon as possible. Additionally, if your vehicle knocks heavily or persistently, the use of 91 AKI (95 RON) or higher grade unleaded gasoline is required.

! Fuel octane rating
This octane rating is the average of the Research Octane and Motor Octane numbers and is commonly referred to as the Anti Knock Index (AKI). Using a gasoline with a lower octane rating can cause persistent and heavy knocking, which can damage the engine. Do not be concerned if your vehicle sometimes knocks lightly when you drive up a hill or when you accelerate. Contact your SUBARU dealer if you use a fuel with the specified octane rating and your vehicle knocks heavily or persistently.

! Unleaded gasoline
The neck of the fuel filler pipe is designed to accept only an unleaded gasoline filler nozzle. Under no circumstances should leaded gasoline be used because it will damage the emission control system and may impair driveability and fuel economy.

! Gasoline for California-certified LEV
If your vehicle was certified to California’s
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it is designed to optimize engine and
emission performance with gasoline that
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California is permitted to have higher
sulfur levels, which may affect the performance
of your vehicle’s catalytic converter
and may produce a sulfur exhaust odor or
smell. SUBARU recommends that you try
a different brand of unleaded gasoline
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Starting and operating/Fuel
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! MMT
Some gasoline contains an octane-enhancing
additive called MMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl
Manganese Tricarbonyl). If
you use such fuels, your emission control
system performance may deteriorate and
the CHECK ENGINE warning light/Malfunction
indicator light may turn on. If this
happens, return to your authorized
SUBARU Dealer for service. If it is
determined that the condition is caused
by the type of fuel used, repairs may not
be covered by your warranty.
! Gasoline for cleaner air
Your use of gasoline with detergent
additives will help prevent deposits from
forming in your engine and fuel system.
This helps keep your engine in tune and
your emission control system working
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for cleaner air. If you continuously use a
high quality fuel with the proper detergent
and other additives, you should never
need to add any fuel system cleaning
agents to your fuel tank.
Many gasolines are now blended with
materials called oxygenates. Use of these
fuels can also help keep the air cleaner.
Oxygenated blend fuels, such as MTBE
(Methyl Tertiary Butyl ether) or ethanol
(ethyl or grain alcohol) may be used in
your vehicle, but should contain no more
than 15% MTBE or 10% ethanol for the
proper operation of your SUBARU.
Do not use any gasoline that contains
more than 10% ethanol, including from
any pump labeled E15, E30, E50 or E85
(which are only some examples of fuel
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In addition, some gasoline suppliers are
now producing reformulated gasolines,
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If you are not sure what the fuel contains,
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As additional guidance, only use fuels
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. Fuel should be unleaded and have an
octane rating no lower than that specified
in this manual.
. Methanol (methyl or wood alcohol) is
sometimes mixed with unleaded gasoline.
Methanol can be used in your vehicle
ONLY if it does not exceed 5% of the fuel
mixture AND if it is accompanied by
sufficient quantities of the proper cosolvents
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. If undesirable driveability problems are
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:47 PM   #1159
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After running several tests on the gas in the car they've found multiple problems with the gas itself one of them being there's no alcohol in the gas. . .
Maybe there is supposed to be trace amounts of ethanol or other types of alcohol in all "good" gas and that is what they were looking. However, as already been stated, there isn't a requirement to use E10 gas in the manual.

Where I live, 91E0 is as common as 91E10 and the only 93 octane I can get is E0.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:47 PM   #1160
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Well, no alcohol in the fuel wouldn't be a problem. Pump gas can have anywhere from 0-10% ethanol usually. There has to be some other problem.
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Old 01-12-2017, 03:07 PM   #1161
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Yeah last time I checked, E10 wasn't mandatory to run a gasoline engine, nor is it recommended or required by the owner's manual. In fact... apologies for the text wall:
did you mean to reply to me? all i was saying was because dealers make it so difficult to claim warranty i just went ahead and modded. if anything breaks i'll just upgrade and fix it. don't see how the E10 conversation came up.

every gas station here has 10% ethanol, it's unavoidable.
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Old 01-12-2017, 03:40 PM   #1162
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Maybe there is supposed to be trace amounts of ethanol or other types of alcohol in all "good" gas and that is what they were looking. However, as already been stated, there isn't a requirement to use E10 gas in the manual.

Where I live, 91E0 is as common as 91E10 and the only 93 octane I can get is E0.
No alcohol is usually a good thing for fuel quality, as it won't mix with water in the underground tanks.

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did you mean to reply to me? all i was saying was because dealers make it so difficult to claim warranty i just went ahead and modded. if anything breaks i'll just upgrade and fix it. don't see how the E10 conversation came up.

every gas station here has 10% ethanol, it's unavoidable.
I was just agreeing with you. The dealership crapshoot is not fun.
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Old 01-12-2017, 03:56 PM   #1163
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I was just agreeing with you. The dealership crapshoot is not fun.
Oh lol, sorry, gotcha.

Yeah, I've heard of enough cases and headaches where the dealer sends you back and forth and sometimes even to Japan. Those guys 1) don't enjoy their car 2) it breaks down and they have to go through hell and back for a few thousand dollars. Yolo, mod.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:47 PM   #1164
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No alcohol is usually a good thing for fuel quality, as it won't mix with water in the underground tanks.



I was just agreeing with you. The dealership crapshoot is not fun.
you are correct that gasoline with 0% ethanol will not absorb water. e10 gas can absorb .63 ounces of water per gallon. what does that mean? straight gas is far more prone to "phase separation" than e10. water gets in underground tanks from various sources, ethanol pulling water out of thin air isnt one of them. ethanol cant physically absorb water out of the air to the point it separates. if you are going to get fuel contaminated with water, you are far better off having ethanol in it so it can actually blend in and be burned.
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Old 01-13-2017, 10:24 AM   #1165
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So I've dropped my claim that would've costed me $1000 for deductible.. apparently my claim person has checked into the gas station and other cars have experienced the same issues so the gas station companies claim service is going to handle all of the costs( shell ).. Makes me wonder if this was just a premium fuel issue at the station. Guess I'll find out.
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Old 01-13-2017, 12:03 PM   #1166
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Oh lol, sorry, gotcha.

Yeah, I've heard of enough cases and headaches where the dealer sends you back and forth and sometimes even to Japan. Those guys 1) don't enjoy their car 2) it breaks down and they have to go through hell and back for a few thousand dollars. Yolo, mod.
I made the same decision when mine had 4k miles on it, and they denied the warranty claim for my sagging side skirt because I had aftermarket wheels on the car. Turned out to be 2 push clips that cost about $.30. After that I said Ef Em, I might as well mod and enjoy the car.
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Old 01-14-2017, 02:51 AM   #1167
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**** like this is why i just went ahead and modded.
Yea but it makes sense that the Dealership wouldn't cover costs themselves if it's a fueling issue.. If u can pay to play more power to you.. Ive slowly been picking up parts for when I get a chance to install them. Have boomba short throw, Perrin crank pulley, and Perrin rear sways all awaiting installation. Really considering picking up killer b j pipe n charge pipe when the times necessary.
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Old 01-14-2017, 10:03 AM   #1168
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Yea but it makes sense that the Dealership wouldn't cover costs themselves if it's a fueling issue.. If u can pay to play more power to you.. Ive slowly been picking up parts for when I get a chance to install them. Have boomba short throw, Perrin crank pulley, and Perrin rear sways all awaiting installation. Really considering picking up killer b j pipe n charge pipe when the times necessary.
Wouldn't a fueling issue be part of the powertrain warranty? Your mods don't touch fueling so they should honor the warranty. Besides, they don't pay for it, they bill Subaru Japan, dealers love doing warranty work.

And yeah, do it man, charge pipe and intercooler is on my list of things to upgrade in the future. Just make sure you run the correct tune.
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Old 01-14-2017, 12:45 PM   #1169
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Believe me I wasn't happy when I got the call saying Subaru wouldn't cover any costs. But they have no control what we have put into our tanks so that's their side. Maybe Subaru has had previous cases where racing fuel or something was added and they just don't want to deal with any scenarios anymore.
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Old 01-14-2017, 12:56 PM   #1170
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And yeah, do it man, charge pipe and intercooler is on my list of things to upgrade in the future. Just make sure you run the correct tune.[/quote]

Of course, I'd like to buy tgv/egr deletes after doing some reseach and seeing how much gunk get built up with these dit engines. But I see that's going to require ecu flash.
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:46 AM   #1171
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Of course, I'd like to buy tgv/egr deletes after doing some reseach and seeing how much gunk get built up with these dit engines. But I see that's going to require ecu flash.
I will not be deleting the EGR/TGV personally. Not for a long time at least. Hopefully someone comes up with an easy solution to clean the carbon off the intake valves, seems removing the intake manifold and mechanically cleaning it with a nylon brush is the best DIY solution atm.
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:54 PM   #1172
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Wouldn't a fueling issue be part of the powertrain warranty? Your mods don't touch fueling so they should honor the warranty. Besides, they don't pay for it, they bill Subaru Japan, dealers love doing warranty work.

And yeah, do it man, charge pipe and intercooler is on my list of things to upgrade in the future. Just make sure you run the correct tune.
Why should Subaru be responsible for a fuel station selling bad gas?
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Old 01-15-2017, 11:10 PM   #1173
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Why should Subaru be responsible for a fuel station selling bad gas?
If that's truly the case then you're right, the gas station is technically liable

On my old car I filled up once and they ****ed up and mixed diesel in the gasoline pump and my car kept stalling, all they did was refund people's fill up costs. That pissed me off... thankfully engine and all is fine
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Old 01-15-2017, 11:39 PM   #1174
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:10 AM   #1175
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