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Old 02-16-2019, 01:00 PM   #3976
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Same thing with states that require helmets for motorcycle riders. Don’t want to protect your brain? Sure why not.

That’s a decision that only affects one person....the rider.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:04 PM   #3977
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Same thing with states that require helmets for motorcycle riders. Don’t want to protect your brain? Sure why not.

That’s a decision that only affects one person....the rider.
Except that when they aren't killed in the crash, only made into a vegetable, it's the rest of us in society who end up having to pay for their medical care necessitated by their bad decision.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:22 PM   #3978
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Yup. They go on Medicaid and then sit as a vegetable in a nursing home for decades, trached and PEGed.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:02 PM   #3979
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Except that when they aren't killed in the crash, only made into a vegetable, it's the rest of us in society who end up having to pay for their medical care necessitated by their bad decision.
That law needs a However clause. Maybe something about euthanasia.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:38 PM   #3980
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Yup. They go on Medicaid and then sit as a vegetable in a nursing home for decades, trached and PEGed.

That seems like an unusual thing to do to a patient.

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Old 02-16-2019, 03:10 PM   #3981
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That seems like an unusual thing to do to a patient.

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Old 02-17-2019, 12:11 PM   #3982
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I wonder when people will notice how many patients die in proximity to an injection of antibiotics, and start objecting to them as a matter of risk-based choice.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:20 PM   #3983
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I wonder when people will notice how many patients die in proximity to an injection of antibiotics, and start objecting to them as a matter of risk-based choice.
I'm on board with that. People who don't want it shouldn't have it.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:20 PM   #3984
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There’s a measles hot spot in Vancouver, BC. In very wealthy neighborhoods. News reporting that barely 50% of students there are vaccinated. Confirmed 9 cases at one particular school. It’s as if people think their money will protect their children from infectious diseases when they go on international travel.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/we-now-have-an...uver-1.4299045
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:41 PM   #3985
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‘Bring back our #ChildHoodDiseases,’ White House official’s wife says as she criticizes vaccines

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Darla Shine, the outspoken wife of White House communications director Bill Shine, has been tweeting about childhood diseases, claiming that illnesses such as measles, mumps and chickenpox “keep you healthy & fight cancer.” Health experts warn that the claim is not true and adds to misinformation that could cause harm.

Darla Shine, who has been known to tweet out stories with anti-vaccination claims, wrote Wednesday on Twitter that “The entire Baby Boom population alive today had the #Measles as kids."

She added: “I had the #Measles #Mumps #ChickenPox as a child and so did every kid I knew — Sadly my kids had #MMR so they will never have the life long natural immunity I have. Come breathe on me!”

Shine’s Twitter account has not been verified, but it notes that she is the wife of Bill Shine, “assistant to #POTUS.” The White House declined to comment about the tweets.

Here we go LOL #measlesoutbreak on #CNN #Fake #Hysteria

The entire Baby Boom population alive today had the #Measles as kids
Bring back our #ChildhoodDiseases they keep you healthy & fight cancer
— Darla Shine (@DarlaShine) February 13, 2019

I had the #Measles #Mumps #ChickenPox as a child and so did every kid I knew - Sadly my kids had #MMR so they will never have the life long natural immunity I have.

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— Darla Shine (@DarlaShine) February 13, 2019

Shine’s tweets made the rounds as a grim report emerged from Madagascar: More than 900 children and young adults have died from measles over the past four months, Reuters reported.

The numbers came from the World Health Organization, which said Thursday that measles cases around the world almost doubled between 2017 and 2018 “amid rising severe and protracted outbreaks all over the planet, in poor and rich countries alike.”

In its announcement, WHO also addressed the myth that the measles vaccine has been linked to autism.

Katherine O’Brien, director of immunization, vaccines and biologicals at WHO, said in the bulletin that the myth, which stems from a study based on “erroneous data,” has been debunked.

Len Lichtenfeld, interim medical director of the American Cancer Society, told The Washington Post on Thursday there is no evidence that contracting measles makes a person healthier later in life or helps prevent cancer.

In addition, Lichtenfeld said, “It’s easy to forget the disease burden that came with measles when we were young.

“It is a real illness with real consequences,” he said. “Fortunately, for most people, those consequences were not serious, but it is an infection, and it can cause life-threatening events. It can cause pneumonia, and it can cause meningitis. Fortunately, those complications are rare but do occur — and children did die as a result of measles infections.

“I think over time, it becomes part of our past, and it tends to become less relevant and less important as we move along in time, and we forget how serious a problem it was for those who grew up in that generation.”

Researchers are increasingly concerned about a potentially deadly neurological disorder that can develop as a delayed complication of measles after the virus has been dormant in people’s bodies for numerous years.

Measles is highly contagious.

Before the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963, most children did contract the illness — an estimated 3 million to 4 million patients each year in the United States, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Of those, 48,000 were hospitalized, 400 to 500 died and 1,000 others suffered from a severe complication known as encephalitis, a condition in which the brain swells because of an infection.

In 2000 — almost four decades after parents began vaccinating their children — measles was declared eliminated in the United States.
CDC data shows that from 2000 to 2018, there was an average of 140 measles cases per year in the United States. And there were three reported fatalities during that time — one in 2002, one in 2003 and one in 2015.

But there have been numerous outbreaks in recent years, amid an anti-vaccine movement that has been sustained, in part, by fraudulent research from 1998 that purported to show a link between a preservative used in vaccines and autism. In the measles outbreak in the Pacific Northwest, where anti-vaccine groups have long been active, nearly 60 cases have been reported in Washington and Oregon.

Numerous studies have provided conclusive evidence that vaccinations do not cause autism.

WHO recently named “vaccine hesitancy” as one of the “Ten threats to global health in 2019”:
The reasons why people choose not to vaccinate are complex; a vaccines advisory group to WHO identified complacency, inconvenience in accessing vaccines, and lack of confidence are key reasons underlying hesitancy. Health workers, especially those in communities, remain the most trusted advisor and influencer of vaccination decisions, and they must be supported to provide trusted, credible information on vaccines.

Amid backlash, Shine said on Twitter on Wednesday that she’s “Not sure why what I tweet is so interesting, I’m not a politician, I have no influence.”

Shine shared a CNN article about how doctors at the Mayo Clinic had given a cancer patient “a highly concentrated, lab-engineered measles virus similar to the measles vaccine,” and then the patient went into remission.
Lichtenfeld, with the American Cancer Society, said that the measles virus alone is not being used to treat cancer but, rather, a version that has been manipulated to specifically invade certain cancer cells.

“It’s far different in any way, shape or form from giving patients an illness in order to try to treat a cancer,” he said. “That is simply not what we do.


“Measles doesn’t protect us from cancer. Chickenpox doesn’t protect us from cancer,” Lichtenfeld added. “These are diseases that kill. These are diseases that used to affect millions upon millions of people, and it’s very easy to forget the lives that were lost or the lives that were impacted significantly as a result of the measles epidemic, because we tend for forget. We didn’t live through or we don’t remember it, or we weren’t aware of it. Let me assure you, it was a very serious disease, and we don’t need to see it come back.”
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I've heard her called "The Marvelous Mrs. Measle".
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"“The entire Baby Boom population alive today had the #Measles as kids."

The logic. It's bulletproof.
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Old 02-17-2019, 03:33 PM   #3988
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"“The entire Baby Boom population alive today had the #Measles as kids."

The logic. It's bulletproof.
And so did about 500 a year that died from it.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:48 AM   #3989
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1 is enough to get my attention.



Disease? Its a virus that most commonly self resolves in the matter of days. It can have long term effects and I agree needs to be taken seriously. But the level of epidemic panic is a bit disingenuous.
Do you care yet?

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Clark County Public Health has identified two new measles cases and two new exposure locations in its ongoing outbreak investigation.

Public Health spokeswoman Marissa Armstrong released a statement Sunday saying the agency has now identified 61 confirmed cases of the highly contagious virus.

Of the 61 cases confirmed in Clark County, 54 were not immunized against measles. Immunization status couldn't be verified for five cases, and two cases involved a child who had received only a single dose of the MMR vaccine.

The majority of confirmed Clark County cases — 44 — involve children between the ages of 1 and 10.
Still no problem since they didn't even die?
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:38 AM   #3991
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That Canadian tuxedo wearing toe head should be smacked in the face with a fly swatter about 20k times while being told how god damn dumb he is.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:03 AM   #3992
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Are you fine with suicide? (IB Suicidial ideation is a mental illness)
That's quite the leap you've made there.

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Fine. Don't go outside and interact with other people in public, then. You can have your own unvaccinated clubs where you can inoculate each other.

Same goes for driving. Don't want to have to submit to license testing? Fine. Drive... exclusively on your own personal property.
Driving is not a Constitutionally protected right.

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That Canadian tuxedo wearing toe head should be smacked in the face with a fly swatter about 20k times while being told how god damn dumb he is.
I agree. Autism alone shouldn't be on the list of fears.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:21 AM   #3993
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I just got the TDAP vaccine. When can I expect the autism to kick in?
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:28 AM   #3994
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I agree. Autism alone shouldn't be isn't on the list of fears because there is no correlation.
Fixed.
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That's quite the leap you've made there.
You said people should have complete choice with what they do to their bodies and their lives. How is checking out different? Because you have a moral system that you desire to enforce in others?
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I just got the TDAP vaccine. When can I expect the autism to kick in?
It already has. You just can't tell.
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BacDoc on vaccines -
"butwhatabout abortions?!"

BacDoc on assisted suicide -
"completely beside the point."
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I just got the TDAP vaccine. When can I expect the autism to kick in?
If you throw some essential oils on the injection site, you will offset the toxic mercury that causes the brain cloud leading to autism. It's proven science. I read it on "Dr." Mercola's website. You will actually come out a little bit smarter if you use CBD oil.
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There’s a measles hot spot in Vancouver, BC. In very wealthy neighborhoods. News reporting that barely 50% of students there are vaccinated. Confirmed 9 cases at one particular school. It’s as if people think their money will protect their children from infectious diseases when they go on international travel.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/we-now-have-an...uver-1.4299045
I heard on NPR about how most of the people that object to vaccinations are actually smart smart people that sit down and read about the pros and cons, and eventually decide to not get them. Where the regular non smart people will just get them and not complain.

Maybe the problem is how much information can sway judgement of people?
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I heard on NPR about how most of the people that object to vaccinations are actually smart smart people that sit down and read about the pros and cons, and eventually decide to not get them. Where the regular non smart people will just get them and not complain.

Maybe the problem is how much information can sway judgement of people?
"smart smart people"? I disagree.

How many statisticians fail to vaccinate?

The problem is people can't do basic math.

(made up numbers follow)

0.01% risk of AVR is less than the risk associated with a disease that has a 90% transmission rate and a 1% complication rate.


Not to mention the anti-vax who mention autism. The demonstrated risk there is ZERO!
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