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Old 10-19-2014, 12:40 PM   #51
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The best advice is knowing what you are working with. Pressure ratings become your friend. Example you cant just take a std hose and put it on the pressure side of the power steering, it will blow up. Knowing the application can help you decide on a plumbing solution that is safe and will stand up to the environment.
thats why i like JIC their is no Doubt that the Hose, Tubing,& Ends are rated high enough and are not going to fail on anything automotive Related. Their is also alot of info available from the suppliers because it is used in industrial Engineering/Manufacturing. For instance i use JIC fittings and Lines for diesel injection off the HPOP Pumps on PowerStroke diesel engines that have HPOP Pressure above 3000PSI regularly with out any problems. its just a matter of getting the correct materials for the application.
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Token - Negro what is that AN fitting that is above and to the right of the MC in the brake picture? Looks like it goes to the wiper motor area?
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Old 10-20-2014, 11:40 PM   #53
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T-N, sweetest work I've seen in an age! Nice job! On another note, to each his own, but am I the only one having difficulty seeing the reason behind cutting off a perfectly reliable OE o-ring'd nipple brake-line style rack fitting and replacing it with multiple (more) aluminum "fake" -AN fittings (because they are actually compression to -AN adapters) in a place where is is just about impossible to get a wrench to, if you have a problem?
Call me jaded. I dunno. All I know is that I thought -AN would be the coolest thing ever, on my new MPS 2.2 long-rod, and so I re-did the IM fuel set-up in hardline, so I could remove the IM independent of the fuel, for service/mods. I didn't skimp. Earl's XRP 90 swivels and tube 90s, Summit SS 3/8" line, AM FPR, IAG Rails. I even ran those cool compression to -AN adapters on the OE damper, just so I could re-use it and keep the plumbing working in OE fashion. I was especially thrilled that I don't have hose running all over the engine bay, like so many pre-man "systems" that mention how well-thought out they are. Well, guess what? In Fresno on business, 400 miles from home, and two of those super-sano 90 swivels had decided fuel worked better on the outside of the car. Luckily, I was able to overnight some, but it left me in my hotel an extra day and was a PITA to fix in the hotel parking lot. Now, all I can worry about is if I'm going to have problems once I take it up to the cold weather in Tahoe, and everything "adjusts" to the new temps.
For race-cars and show queens I think they are awesome (they look especially cool with my ano'd IAG TGVs) because you are always d***king with stuff and can catch leaks, but for DDs, honestly, I wish I would have kept the stock reinforced lines and FI clamps.
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T-N, sweetest work I've seen in an age! Nice job! On another note, to each his own, but am I the only one having difficulty seeing the reason behind cutting off a perfectly reliable OE o-ring'd nipple brake-line style rack fitting and replacing it with multiple (more) aluminum "fake" -AN fittings (because they are actually compression to -AN adapters) in a place where is is just about impossible to get a wrench to, if you have a problem?
Call me jaded. I dunno. All I know is that I thought -AN would be the coolest thing ever, on my new MPS 2.2 long-rod, and so I re-did the IM fuel set-up in hardline, so I could remove the IM independent of the fuel, for service/mods. I didn't skimp. Earl's XRP 90 swivels and tube 90s, Summit SS 3/8" line, AM FPR, IAG Rails. I even ran those cool compression to -AN adapters on the OE damper, just so I could re-use it and keep the plumbing working in OE fashion. I was especially thrilled that I don't have hose running all over the engine bay, like so many pre-man "systems" that mention how well-thought out they are. Well, guess what? In Fresno on business, 400 miles from home, and two of those super-sano 90 swivels had decided fuel worked better on the outside of the car. Luckily, I was able to overnight some, but it left me in my hotel an extra day and was a PITA to fix in the hotel parking lot. Now, all I can worry about is if I'm going to have problems once I take it up to the cold weather in Tahoe, and everything "adjusts" to the new temps.
For race-cars and show queens I think they are awesome (they look especially cool with my ano'd IAG TGVs) because you are always d***king with stuff and can catch leaks, but for DDs, honestly, I wish I would have kept the stock reinforced lines and FI clamps.
Cant agree more, everything has its place for sure. My DD has zero AN fittings. This was more something fun and challenging to build. For a car I want to be able to fix on the side of the road sure ill keep hose clamps. As for the PS pressure fittings, you can take it a step farther and get the exact thread pitch fitting that adapts it to AN on the rack and limit your places for failure.
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I added a few to my SVX, more coming in time. My fuel and brake lines were repaired by some ham-fisted meat head under a previous owner, so I had to add some unions and new lines where they exit through the floor.

Fuel: (the rubber connection is the vent/evap line, so no chance of leaks if it fails.



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@gianttcr Yes for the Most part "AN" is overplayed their are so many manufacturers and different style connections and quality control is just poor. Alot of people do it for looks but if done with quality materials it makes for simple install & service for the life of the vehicle

i have heard many stories like yours of Leaking AN live swivels when cold. however i have never seen that with Hydraulic Live Swivels @ 2000+PSI of Hydraulic pressure , really the only time they leak is due to severe rust or was beaten/abused. I am still not very sure why anyone would need to use a live swivel, I cant think of any situation where a standard tube fitting wouldn't work you already have 360* of placement ?


the rack fittings are called O ring Port just have to find the right size

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@John, yeah man, I agree that there is a lot of junk made out there, and working in the process controls biz, I also agree that you can get some industrial stuff that puts cheapy ano'd car stuff to shame. Additionally, I wasn't thrilled about buying a 37 tool either or bending stainless (AL 3/8 ended up being waaaaaay softer than I could trust). However, even if I would have splurged on $28 SS Swagelok or Pioneer fittings (which is DEFINITELY what I would have used on OP's rack, if compression was the only option) and done compression fit on everything, like the front end of a fork-lift, it STILL would have been many more parts than factory and cost the moon. Why? As many issues as these cars have, how many have EVER heard of a problem with OE delivery? I mean, besides those couple years with short pass. rail hose and leak/smell, OE fuel from tank to rail is %100 reliable and supports plenty of power. Really, any of us that did this, did it for looks and exclusivity and that's it. If you told yourself it was going to be more reliable, you were lying to make those [email protected] blue ano -AN collars and [email protected] swivels not hurt so bad, just like I did! I get it.
I did mine as much for personality as anyone else. I mean, look at T-N's! We ALL want ours to LOOK like that, but HE is the only one that went through the whole hassle. That's HIS personality. Plain. Simple. I dig it. Looks F'n CRAZY clean! As T-N also mentioned, the goal should ALWAYS be reducing points of failure, and once you add all the male/female/step-down/37/o-ring/blah/blah points that -AN does, I think we are all just asking for trouble. In his case, and people like him, he took the time to out-think the factory. So, his fresh jive is sure to last. Tough to do, and many times, many of us think that's what we're doing. But, then you buy THAT car from one of THOSE guys, often you get it home to find a steering rack leaking with some funky fittings with all their ano janky, because there have been wrenches on them since, or the cruise doesn't work when the power antenna goes up, and wow, I've never seen a power antenna on an Impreza... And even T-N admits that with all his effort, he could still suffer a failure, one that more than likely would not have occurred with the OE stuff. Either way, it leaves you on the side of the road, looking not nearly as cool as you did in the garage. Trust me, I know. Girls think you working on your own car is cool....once. Twice, and they just think you're broke.

BTW, I had to run the XRP live swivel, because it was the only one they offered in lo-pro flowed 90, and I needed that to clear my hardline on the inlet side, and over by the compressor. I'll try to post pictures later today. It looks good, but the way it was squirting fuel onto the heads that day, I'm lucky to still have the car. It was so bad, I had to pull the IM to replace the gaskets, on BOTH sides of the phenolics, because they were doused. Fixed, with new replacements, needed or not, but I still don't trust it now, and have to carry tools, which SUCKS.
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T-N, sweetest work I've seen in an age! Nice job! On another note, to each his own, but am I the only one having difficulty seeing the reason behind cutting off a perfectly reliable OE o-ring'd nipple brake-line style rack fitting and replacing it with multiple (more) aluminum "fake" -AN fittings (because they are actually compression to -AN adapters) in a place where is is just about impossible to get a wrench to, if you have a problem?
Call me jaded. I dunno. All I know is that I thought -AN would be the coolest thing ever, on my new MPS 2.2 long-rod, and so I re-did the IM fuel set-up in hardline, so I could remove the IM independent of the fuel, for service/mods. I didn't skimp. Earl's XRP 90 swivels and tube 90s, Summit SS 3/8" line, AM FPR, IAG Rails. I even ran those cool compression to -AN adapters on the OE damper, just so I could re-use it and keep the plumbing working in OE fashion. I was especially thrilled that I don't have hose running all over the engine bay, like so many pre-man "systems" that mention how well-thought out they are. Well, guess what? In Fresno on business, 400 miles from home, and two of those super-sano 90 swivels had decided fuel worked better on the outside of the car. Luckily, I was able to overnight some, but it left me in my hotel an extra day and was a PITA to fix in the hotel parking lot. Now, all I can worry about is if I'm going to have problems once I take it up to the cold weather in Tahoe, and everything "adjusts" to the new temps.
For race-cars and show queens I think they are awesome (they look especially cool with my ano'd IAG TGVs) because you are always d***king with stuff and can catch leaks, but for DDs, honestly, I wish I would have kept the stock reinforced lines and FI clamps.

please dont take this the wrong way, but this kinda sounds like either user error or incorrect type of fitting used.

being that i have seen these same fittings used in airplanes for years and you don't see those running into these types of issues.
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Yep. I'm as rookie as they come, but wise/humble enough to admit ANYONE can make a mistake, even a manufacturer, or me. However, there is very little I have to do with the internals of a quality part I buy. All fittings went hand-tight, and then 1/4 to 1/2 past. No reefing on anything, no stressed bends, no cross-threading, nada. System was then pressure tested, and THEN installed on car. These two 90s started leaking at the swivel, 400 miles in, and the place I bought them, said they have seen it before. It wasn't like they were Pepe's Performance Parts either, with some little devil face or some other BS silk screened on them.
Oh, and airplanes. Yes. You mean those white or silver shiny things that fly in the sky. Don't they have dedicated personnel focused on keeping them safe, by going over various check logs that include fuel lines....and fittings, every time they are on the ground?
Listen, man, as I said, I get it. Not like I just stepped in here, US style, to tell you all how much you suck, and how stupid you are. I RUN them. I think they look trick. I GET it. However, as I in my original post, I think they are GREAT for a car....that you don't just expect to hop into and run down to Stone Liberty, for a brownie dessert! Otherwise, they are at least DOUBLE the amount of parts and connections (points of failure), for a system that already works totally fine. Can one say that a Subaru fuel system performs BETTER because -AN is used? I don't think so.
Of course, using up an 1/8 tank to warm up my new short block every time is getting a little old now too, so maybe I'm just getting old.
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, i will be the first to admin i have ****ed up a lot of **** and have had to redo things over and over a few times to get it right. have also learned a crap ton doning that too

i have also had a failure just like kendric did above, stupid little alu pin fell out, wtf.

my only point was that the AN fittings are damn good setup and if used correctly you wont have issues.

but i will agree, i wouldnt just go out and swap all the fittings on a engine just because. i use them when redoing items from scratch. using them for a engine swap i am working on now. just wish i had the skill that TN has
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Haha! Yep! It's almost sad, the amount of F'd up crap you can reuse in a Chevy build, that will leave you and your car on fire, and missing its wheels, in a Subaru!

And mad skills, like T-N's? Well, I guess that's why we invented money. Well, him....and chicks...and Subarus! Dammmmit!

And damn YOU, Paranoid! Now I have one o'them AWESOME Stone brownie sundaes on my mind!
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hmm, some brownie sundaes mmmmm. i saw they are opening a huge ballast point drinking spot off miramar, its huge

and yea, i am working on a 350 swap into a vega. such little room and so much POs old crap in there. wiring is a nightmare
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OT, Brownie Sundae! Other OT, Vega! Nice! Saw a done up Skyhawk of all things, just the other day. Like I said, to each his own. I'm more of a Pinto wagon guy myself. Final OT, tried the BP in Little Italy, but I'm too much of a Belgian/ABV drinker to like their stuff. However, a new place JUST opened up on 6th and Uni, in Hillcrest, and they have a BOMB tap menu, and sandwiches made on big waffles! Amazing.
Back ON topic, not sure where all you guys got your stuff, but ANPlumbing was AWESOME to me on pricing, shipping, and returns! Just in case you HAVE to have -AN.
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Additionally, I wasn't thrilled about buying a 37 tool either or bending stainless (AL 3/8 ended up being waaaaaay softer than I could trust)
Its all about getting the right material.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-metal-tubing/=u9o6nd

3/8 Aluminum Tubing rated for 1700 Psi and only $12.50 for 6 Foot. Bends easy (W/ Hand Tubing Bender) and thats cheaper then you can buy Fuel Injection Hose From you local Auto Parts Store.





If anyone missed them in my previous post here are the links to where i Buy my JIC Fittings.

http://www.discounthydraulichose.com...tings_s/24.htm

http://www.hydraulicsdirect.com/318_...ings_p/318.htm

their may be some odd ball stuff you cant get from them. But they beat ANPlumbings prices on 90% of the stuff you will need and its all Industrial Grade Hydraulic Fittings & The stuff they dont have its not a problem. Because its all the same 37* Flare just mix and match.





OT: as a Person from the east coast i have no idea what Stone Liberty Is ?

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Yep, good info. Technafit is good too especially for brake, and every once in a while, you see small lot sales on EBay for really good stuff, like Swagelok. I used AN because their pricing on Earl's and XRP was better than most, they had free shipping over $100 (which was easy), and I got it next day, because they are just up in L.A.

I got good, annealed, non-ano'd Summit tubing. I just wasnt happy with it when I started working it. Didn't want to take a chance of vibration cracking it over time, nor any funky corrosion, if I decide to go ethanol. SS was just the way to go for me, and Im happier with the result, even with the extra work and the carpel tunnel I got from the stupid tools!

OT, @John. That is a shame, man. Stone= Stone Brewery. Liberty= Liberty Station= Old Naval Barracks on Spanish Channel near San Diego airport that has been refurb'd for small businesses and foofie stuff. Stone originally had their main brewery about 60 miles away, in Escondido, but recently opened a HUGE beer garden/upscale restaurant here. It is AMAZING. And I say that, having up until recently not been a Stone fan, because all of their beer was too hoppy. Well, they must have caught the guy that was throwing a handful in every batch and fired him, because their beers have really grown up in just 6 mos! Plus, at this one, they also have guest taps, and of course this sundae I mentioned, which is about 2lbs of house made vanilla, with two HUGE house made brownies, topped with whipped cream they make, that has a little stout or something in it. Dammit, now I have to go warm up the car again! I hate you all!
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What turbo kit is that?
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yes you can i used to have my Turbo & AVCS oil feed lines setup that way.





and with those ends and the double braided coated hose it was rated for 5,800 psi working pressure and a burst pressure of 23,000 PSI lol. in terms of longevity these lines will never fail for the life of the car.

unfortunately the shortblock failed in my setup above. but the car is being put back together now with 2 extra cylinders
Is it custom built?
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Just some info for anyone that may be interested JIC fittings are interchangeable with AN fittings but are cheaper

For any spots that need to flex i am fortunate and have a hydraulic hose crimper and either make SS Braid or Coated Hose. You could do the same by ordering the correct line and fittings online and then going to your local Hydraulic or Large Truck/Tractor Shop and have them do the two crimps that takes less then a minute to do.
PLUS +1 for the JICs!

I see your in MD do you offer your crimper for use by other?

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Is it custom built?
The turbo Setup ?

Yes. its a 08 WRX completely stock Motor and Trans everything Fabricated and Tuned by myself. it had Equal Length Headers,Reverse Rotated Turbo (Holset HX35), Reversed Plastic Manifold + alot more. it made 400 AWHP on a Mustang Dyno On only 19lbs of boost and i had it up to 24lbs a few times. Unfortunately it spun a rod bearing while dailying it, But luckily i found a deal on a EG33 and its currently in the process of being swapped.


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PLUS +1 for the JICs!

I see your in MD do you offer your crimper for use by other?

TNX Dave
its not something i can really loan out (due to size and value) but if you need something crimped you could come by. Im on the eastern shore, Hoopers Island down Below Cambridge. so it probably wouldnt be worth the cost of travel just for a crimp if your coming from Parkville? but if you ever need any Fabrication work done let me know, im free on weekends
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get a good flare tool, i love my eastwood setup. i recently just bought the 37deg flare adapters too.
I'm looking at redoing some brake on fuel lines on a few cars, and thinking about picking this up (hoping it goes on sale on black friday). Is this still one of the better options out there for flaring? Any recommendations for a decent tubing bender?

Also, do you guys just order up SS tubing from McMaster, or is there a better source out there?
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What have you made or converted to -an fittings.

Im currently piecing together a Fuel line/rail kit, seems to be worth it as a complete kit is double the price!
Im also going to be doing the Power steering as well.
Thinking of doing the valve covers as well.

Anything else I should do while im at it?
Every line under my hood except the radiator hoses is AN. Well over $1,000 in fittings and hose.

Next step is to replace all the brake lines.















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looks like your average 3/8th pipe thread to -6 male.

I would like to see some -16 or -20 coolant set ups.

before the tuck… sorry it's an evo but you get the idea. -16



after a bunch of changes and some more work. an PS lines, fuel lines (squash in tank double pumper forward), oil lines, WG lines, needs some more work though.



once my new motor set up comes in for the suby i'll be doing an AN setup on that as well

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what are these fittings called? the ones i got for a hardline dont look anything like this.
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ok found it after googling more tube nuts and tube sleeves.
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