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Old 08-24-2016, 02:19 PM   #26
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My understanding was that WA law is you just need chains present in the trunk, not that you actually need to install chains.
Not for 2 wheel drive vehicles. That law your referring to is for AWD/4wd vehicles. They don't have a condition where awd/4wd would have to chain up, but you have to carry them in the car in case you get stuck.

http://www.wsdot.com/winter/traction.htm

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Four-wheel/all-wheel drive vehicles are exempt from chain requirements when all wheels are in gear and are equipped with approved traction devices, provided that tire chains for at least one set of drive tires are carried in the vehicle. See WAC 204-24-050.
I frequently see the "Tire chains required - except four-wheel/all-wheel drive." signs on my way up to go boarding. I snicker at the suckers putting chains on their fwd vehicles as I drive past them, dry and warm.
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:23 PM   #27
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I have no issues with FWD. Didn't have a single issue with my Focus ST (w/winter tires) over an entire winter. My issue is that I expect to pay less for a FWD car vs AWD car in the same performance segment. The issue at hand is Honda is selling a FWD performance model at the same price or more than the STI, Golf R, and Focus RS. That's where I have an issue with FWD.
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Old 08-24-2016, 04:38 PM   #28
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I have no issues with FWD. Didn't have a single issue with my Focus ST (w/winter tires) over an entire winter. My issue is that I expect to pay less for a FWD car vs AWD car in the same performance segment. The issue at hand is Honda is selling a FWD performance model at the same price or more than the STI, Golf R, and Focus RS. That's where I have an issue with FWD.
Totally agree.
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:36 AM   #29
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The issue at hand is Honda is selling a FWD performance model at the same price or more than the STI, Golf R, and Focus RS. That's where I have an issue with FWD.
Has the price (in the U.S.) been released yet?
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:19 AM   #30
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Has the price (in the U.S.) been released yet?
The Car has not been Revealed. The specs are not Known. When it will arrive in the US not known. Us pricing? Not known , even Honda doesn't know what the US pricing is yet.
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Old 08-25-2016, 10:00 AM   #31
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Do we know if it will be based the horrible looking psuedohatch or is it on the sedan or coupe?
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Old 08-25-2016, 03:14 PM   #32
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Has the price (in the U.S.) been released yet?
No it's based on UK pricing which for the most part the STI, Golf R, and RS price differences have been proportional to US. I'm sure Honda can sell the car for less here but it's gong to come at the cost of stripping some equipment.
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Old 08-25-2016, 03:55 PM   #33
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Do we know if it will be based the horrible looking psuedohatch or is it on the sedan or coupe?
Yes, it will be based on the upcoming hatchback.
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:42 AM   #34
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Old 09-29-2016, 01:36 AM   #35
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That would be the coolest car you could buy in 2002.
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:23 AM   #36
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ADM coming to Honda dealerships soon.
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:45 AM   #37
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Needs less pinstripe and maybe 1" less wheel, otherwise it looks pretty good.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:11 AM   #38
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Needs less pinstripe and maybe 1" less wheel, otherwise it looks pretty good.
I think the prototype is 20", I bet they drop that to 18" on the production car. Other than the wheels, the production car will probably look just like this.

It'll have active dampers, or whatever the Euro Civic has, so that might help the ride. And resale will be bonkers.

Hopefully there will be an Si hatchback. I'd be perfectly happy with that, and it won't have the airplane wing on it.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:23 AM   #39
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We'll see what they look like when they hit the streets, but this car (and the base Civic hatch) has dropped from near the top of my short list to the bottom.

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Old 09-29-2016, 09:26 AM   #40
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That side profile shot isn't a hatchback?
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:03 AM   #41
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For everyone who laments the current WRX/STI body style and is missing the GR WRX/STI body style...

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Old 09-29-2016, 11:09 AM   #42
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Those front fender treatments are insanely similar.
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:15 AM   #43
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Those front fender treatments are insanely similar.
It's almost as if this would've been the natural iteration of the GV/GR body style, had it not gone Mitsu/Evo... some of the lines through the front are also VERY similar. Not identical, but similar.



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Old 09-29-2016, 11:29 AM   #44
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That would be the coolest car you could buy in 2002.
Part of me likes this over the top styling that reminds me of that late 90's to early 2000's tuning era.

The real part of whether this sells is price. There has to be an appropriate FWD discount associated if it plans to complete with the STI, R, and RS. If they price it starting around a top spec GTI, ST, or WRX, then it could be a good deal. A tweener of sorts.

Side note, has there been any talk of a Si trim or is the Sport it? I guess it might depend on the Type R pricing strategy.
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:45 AM   #45
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:50 PM   #46
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That side profile shot isn't a hatchback?
Yes, I was referring to the non-TypeR hatch. I expected I would like the base hatchback better than I do, but will reserve final judgement until I see it in person.
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Old 09-29-2016, 01:00 PM   #47
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The real part of whether this sells is price. There has to be an appropriate FWD discount associated if it plans to complete with the STI, R, and RS.
Maybe for you.. but most people interested in a Type R will pay a premium for a Honda over a Ford.
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It'll b e interesting once they release specs and price. I saw one place said 340hp, but Id like solid figures.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:03 PM   #49
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Terrible. Honda used to have decent designers.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:07 PM   #50
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The SI should be perfect
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