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Old 09-29-2016, 10:28 PM   #51
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Fugly, but maybe the power and feel will make up for it , at least for the fanboys who will buy any honda they believe will put some race car into their lives
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:41 PM   #52
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This makes Evo & STI look understated.
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:32 PM   #53
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You know that wing is automatically going to call out all the desperate behavior to prove one's manhood on the streets. Get your dash cams ready. At the very least, Honda did something wrong if 1.) there isn't a single DRIVER that is intimidated by the wing or 2.) no one wants to street race that boyracer.

I honestly love it when the flamboyant styling of anything invokes reactions from both sides. The dramallama is so funny and interesting to watch. I can't wait to see them on the streets. I'm going to be the terrible person that LOL's so hard in public when the drama hits the fans around these kinds of cars.

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Old 09-30-2016, 12:13 AM   #54
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This makes Evo & STI look understated.
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Old 09-30-2016, 09:25 AM   #55
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This makes Evo & STI look understated.
Gone are the days of plain old subdued Honda styling. No stupid vents, no silly gimmicks. Just good ole' engineering.

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Old 09-30-2016, 11:51 AM   #56
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Terrible. Honda used to have decent designers.
This seems to be the trend for over styling designs among the large Japanese brands (Toyota, Honda, Nissan). Toyota is probably the biggest offender, especially with their Lexus lineup, but Honda seems to be catching up.
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Old 09-30-2016, 12:36 PM   #57
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Gone are the days of plain old subdued Honda styling. No stupid vents, no silly gimmicks. Just good ole' engineering.
True, but some of what you see is functional. This car will demolish an ITR in almost every performance metric, while weighing much more. I still prefer the ITR though.

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This seems to be the trend for over styling designs among the large Japanese brands (Toyota, Honda, Nissan). Toyota is probably the biggest offender, especially with their Lexus lineup, but Honda seems to be catching up.
I agree that the Japanese brands are pushing the styling envelope and the TypeR is a bit over the top, but let's be honest about it. If it had come in looking bland, everyone would have been all over Honda about being too conservative.
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Old 09-30-2016, 12:40 PM   #58
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True, but some of what you see is functional. This car will demolish an ITR in almost every performance metric, while weighing much more. I still prefer the ITR though.
A lot of cars demolished the ITR in performance metrics, but few cars felt as special. I'm glad my buddy let me drive his once, so I know what the car is about.
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Old 09-30-2016, 12:41 PM   #59
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The SI should be perfect
If it comes in a hatch, yeah. But even so it'll have a moonroof and headroom will suck. Wish I could buy the (moonroof-free) Type R.

They need a spoiler delete like Subaru has - but they won't.
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Old 10-01-2016, 03:09 PM   #60
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I just don't see how they are going to control the torque steer with nearly 300 hp. My 2010 GTI had only 200 and I felt like I was constantly fighting the car. I know there are tricks with locking differentials and braking but some point it's just too much power for just the front wheels.
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Old 10-01-2016, 05:07 PM   #61
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How does the Focus ST deal with torque steer?
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Old 10-01-2016, 07:03 PM   #62
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I just don't see how they are going to control the torque steer with nearly 300 hp. My 2010 GTI had only 200 and I felt like I was constantly fighting the car. I know there are tricks with locking differentials and braking but some point it's just too much power for just the front wheels.
It can be done. The previous gen RS had a rev-knuckle that solves this. Maybe Honda will get a clue.

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Old 10-01-2016, 11:13 PM   #63
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Honda has been selling a 305hp Type R Civic in Europe for several years now.

It has a dual kingpin axis front strut suspension just like the Ford RevoKnuckle (2nd gen FWD Focus RS) and GM HiPer Strut.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/ford-revoknuckle-and-gm-hiper-strut-explained-tech-dept
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Old 10-01-2016, 11:38 PM   #64
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Figured I get on "the list" today and won't write it up for MSRP, will only write it up for market value. No speculation on price from them at least.
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If it comes in a hatch, yeah. But even so it'll have a moonroof and headroom will suck. Wish I could buy the (moonroof-free) Type R.

They need a spoiler delete like Subaru has - but they won't.

This will fill your needs...



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Old 10-02-2016, 03:56 PM   #66
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How does the Focus ST deal with torque steer?
Both the Focus RS and Euro Civic R reportedly have it pretty well under control with clever suspension geometry and (in Civic's case) active dampers.

You're really not giving up anything with a FWD Civic R except power-on oversteer.
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the normal Civic is sooooo





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Are you honestly surprised? Of course it's no European hatchback like the Scirocco but it's not an Encore, Aztek, or ELR either.

Don't tell me you were honestly holding out hope Honda would design something that would satisfy the Europeans AND Americans together.
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Old 10-03-2016, 09:22 AM   #70
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yes, I am surprised how such an ugly back can pass for mass production. I give it less than three years for a complete overhaul.
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Old 10-03-2016, 11:05 AM   #71
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Man I'm never going to like or get used to all the black honeycomb on these cars.
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It's too busy and the exhaust looks ridiculous. This thing was made for the next Transformers movie. Even in my 20's I would not drive this thing. Should have toned it down and put their sh-awd on it instead. Festery body kits don't make up for FWD.
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:17 PM   #73
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It's too busy and the exhaust looks ridiculous. This thing was made for the next Transformers movie. Even in my 20's I would not drive this thing. Should have toned it down and put their sh-awd on it instead. Festery body kits don't make up for FWD.
I'm holding out hope that the next gen ILX gets a type-S version that uses these underpinnings with a more adult exterior. But that makes too much sense, so it probably won't happen.
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Remove the rear wing and move the center exhaust tips to each side tucked up and inside those grills next to the reflectors.
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Old 10-03-2016, 02:23 PM   #75
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third pipe foe nawz exhaust?

What is the purpose of that thing? Also, size down the behives on each side of the bumper.
Side profile looks good though. Maybe because it looks very WRXish.
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