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Old 03-29-2018, 03:35 PM   #26
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Just out of the VIN range, so says Subaru.
But you car surely fails Subaru's own 1200-mile consumption test; if more than 1/3 qt (0.3 liter) is consumed within 1200 miles then Subaru KNOWS the short block is busted !
I'm surprised they go by VIN range on this one; your short block is bad regardless.
In any case, I'm with you, unless Subaru replaces that short block on their own dime, I'd unload that Forester asap and get your wife something/anything else.

I'm not sure my own wife would like the styling of that new RAV4 though; too chiseled maybe?
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So nobody is going to comment on the hexagonal fender flares that look identical to the VIZIV?
The fenders like Jeep Cherokee to me.
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:38 PM   #28
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Looks like the same fenders that are already in use on their Lexus NX/RX CUV/SUV.
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:56 PM   #29
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Welp... I think this will be it. No way I would buy another forester over this. I was pretty close to buying the current hybrid RAV4, this new one seems to have addressed every single gripe I had with the old one. CarPlay, pano roof, better inside and out. Well done Toyota, looks forward to checking it out in person.
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I agree this looks better. I cross shopped Rav4s before settling on a Forester and I HATED 2016 Rav4s. They were also more expensive and didn't have an Eyesight equivalent.

This newer one looks much better but I'm not sure I would call it tough. I've driven my Forester up through mountain logging roads in snow and ice without a care in the world. Not sure I'd try the same in a hybrid CUV that's emphasizing gas mileage, styling and comfort. X-mode was great for a controlled decent while my family had to struggle to keep their Suburban from trying to spin around on them.

Not that I need a new car but I'll take a look at this when it comes out
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Wish this was going to be out sooner than later, as the wife needs something to replace her 2014 Forester, which is buring a liter of oil every 1,200-1,500 miles and has a brake issue.
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Left Hybrid - Center standard - Right Adventure

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Immediate first thought on the one on the right was Heath Ledger's "The Joker".


Definitely the best looking one yet. The comment about the black roof I disagree with. Manufacturers have been doing it for decades and I still like it.
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:36 PM   #33
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Time to wait for the diagonal AWD tests for this generation.



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Still no Android Auto? Lol.
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Nice improvement and serious 2019 Forester competition. But the tablet stuck on the dash look seems to be a design trend and still looks out of place.

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Old 03-30-2018, 03:13 AM   #36
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Looks like the same fenders that are already in use on their Lexus NX/RX CUV/SUV.
I see a lot of Jeep Cherokee everywhere except the Tacoma front end.
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Seven Things To Know About the 2019 Toyota RAV4
The key details on the made-over compact crossover


There’s a commonly-held belief in the automotive industry that you don’t mess with success. If a car is doing well, you leave it alone—especially if you’re a conservative company like Toyota. And yet the RAV4—a car that, by any measure you can think of, is doing very well—has been messed with in a big way. The 2019 Toyota RAV4 revealed at the 2018 New York Auto Show represents a radical departure for this founding father of the compact-SUV genre. Here are seven things you ought to know about the new compact crossover.

It’s gone from Corolla to Camry bones.
Though the new RAV4 is about the same size as the old one, it now rides on the Toyota New Global Architecture that underpins the Camry. The size doesn’t change much, but the proportions do, and that is a major contributor to the RAV4’s radical new look.

Its design was heavily influenced by driving in Los Angeles.
Chief engineer Yoshikazu Saeki told Automobile he spends a lot of time driving on the 405 freeway in Los Angeles, which he sees as a microcosm of American driving: Bad surface conditions, a variety of straights and curves, crowded conditions, and inattentive drivers taking off-ramps too quickly as they make last-minute dives for exits. “And it’s very scary on rainy days,” he adds. He engineered the RAV4’s suspension to minimize weight transfer between wheels in order to keep traction steady and even, a formula he thinks works best for American roads.

Engineering was subjective and not just by-the-numbers.
Saeki worked with Toyota’s takumi (master) drivers, who provided subjective feedback—a relatively new process for the RAV4, which traditionally has been developed by the numbers. The process resulted in some conflict (“Always about the process,” notes Saeki, “never the goal”) but resulted in a chassis he says has a more confident and natural feel.


It’s got an engine we like.
The new RAV4 will use a version of the Camry’s big 2.5-liter inline-four. Sexy it isn’t, but in this day of small-displacement turbos, the 2.5 reminds us of the simple pleasures of a big naturally-aspirated four: Stout, even torque delivery and real-world fuel economy numbers that match the EPA estimates.

This traditionally on-road CUV is now off-road ready.
It’s a bit ironic that the first-generation RAV4 eased us into the idea that SUVs didn’t have to be all about off-road ability. The new RAV4 features a torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive system with a fuel-saving rear-axle disconnect, along with Toyota’s Multi-Terrain Select system, which the company says will give the new RAV4 improved traction over mud, rocks and snow.

The trapezoidal grille is gone; long live the trapezoidal grille.
It appears Toyota was finally clued in to the near-universal dislike for the trapezoidal grille. The basic hourglass shape is still present in the RAV4’s front fascia, but the grille work now occupies the upper portion, so the new RAV4 doesn’t look like it’s trying to suck algae off the surface of the road as the Camry does.

The RAV4 can be had in three distinctive versions.
This new RAV4 seems to have a slight multiple personality disorder. For regular RAV4 buyers, there are premium models with monochromatic body trim. But then there’s the RAV4 Adventure, which is designed to appeal to the more rugged and outdoorsy among us, and the XSE that offers the high-end sporty flavor that has worked well for the Camry.

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A hodgepodge of 4Runner, Highlander, RX and NX. Of which Toyota will sell a ton.
They will. Ultimate millenial vehicle.
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How the 2019 Toyota RAV4 stacks up to the new Forester, CR-V and Rogue
The RAV4 is all-new for 2019, but how will it compare to its rivals?

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This year at the New York Auto Show, we were shown updated versions of two of the world's favorite crossover SUVs: the 2019 Toyota RAV4 and 2019 Subaru Forester. While they both attempt to do the same thing, they go about it in different ways, so let's see how they stack up against each other -- and two of their competitors, the Nissan Rogue and the Honda CR-V.



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2019 Toyota RAV4 Adventure has Subaru in its sights

Aesthetics

This is a subjective category of course, but all four vehicles have something going for them. The new Toyota RAV4, particularly in Adventure trim, has a newfound aggression and masculinity in its styling that is really refreshing. For the first time, maybe ever, it looks like something you'd want to try and take off-road like its larger sibling, the 4Runner. Its exterior dimensions are almost identical to that of the Honda CR-V with the exception of having a slightly longer wheelbase.

The Subaru Forester is, as Roadshow's Steven Ewing pointed out, a pretty basic two-box design, but its simplicity begets great visibility and tons of room, and there is a kind of beauty to be found in function. At the end of the day, the new Forester still looks like a Forester, and for Subaru fans, that's a good thing. The Forester grows a bit over the outgoing model, gaining 1.2 inches of wheelbase (105.1 inches) and gains interior room, thanks to a platform change.

The Honda CR-V is a seriously heavy hitter in the compact SUV segment and represents the RAV4's biggest competitor. It got a major refresh for 2017, but it still looks like a jellybean and while it's not offensive looking, it's not what we'd call handsome either.

Nissan's Rogue isn't exactly a looker, but with its 2017 restyle, it lost some of its blob-shape and gained a few hard edges which happen to be serving it well. The Nissan Rogue is almost 6 inches longer than both the RAV4 and the CR-V, but the difference isn't dramatic for passengers.

Drivetrain

The 2019 RAV4 is getting some new engine options, which is great, but Toyota is keeping the specs secret for now. We do know that the base gasoline option will be a 2.5-liter I4, which will be mated to an eight-speed automatic transmission. There will also be a performance-oriented hybrid version (cool) bolted to a CVT transmission (less cool). Nothing earth-shattering here, but what did you expect? A V8? A twin-turbo V6? It's a RAV4 -- calm down. All-wheel drive is optional.

The Subaru Forester gets a boxer four. It is a new, naturally aspirated, direct-injected 2.5-liter H4, which is good for 182 horsepower and 176 pound-feet of torque. The big -- and frankly, super-disappointing -- news is the discontinuation of the turbocharged XT model Forester. Oh, and the fact that the only transmission option now is a CVT. That said, most people shopping for a crossover will be plenty pleased with the Forester's powerplant. All-wheel drive is standard on the Forester, because Subaru.

The Honda CR-V is available with a plain-Jane naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine in lower trim levels but from the EX on up, you get the 1.5-liter turbocharged four-cylinder that makes nearly 200 horsepower. Unfortunately, this is saddled with a CVT as well, though Honda has been working on making that transmission a little more pleasant to drive.

The Rogue has a 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine fitted as the only engine option and unfortunately, that engine produces just 170 horsepower, leaving it wanting when compared to the Subaru and particularly the turbocharged Honda engine. Throw in the now seemingly de rigueur CVT and you have a fairly sedate, though adequate driving experience.

Interior

The RAV4, now being built on Toyota's TNGA architecture that also underpins the new Camry, gets a little roomier inside despite being slightly smaller on the outside. The cabin appointments are typical Toyota: nice enough, if a little uninspired. That said, the 2019 model feels more premium than the outgoing car. Entune 3.0 with Apple CarPlay makes an appearance, but the word is out on how we feel about this new version of an infotainment system, about which we've been less than enthusiastic in the past.

The Forester looks great inside, but we wonder how it will feel on the road. Interior NVH has long been a weak point for the brand, though we're promised that this will be the quietest Forester yet, not that that would be tough to pull off. The first-generation Forester was not unlike driving around in a rock tumbler. Cabin materials feel nice, and the EyeSight driver-assistance system is standard, which gives the Forester a leg up. Subaru's Starlink infotainment system features both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility.

The CR-V gets a typical Honda interior in that it's well-screwed-together but less premium feeling than one would hope for. Tech is good though, with plenty of driver-assist features on hand via Honda Sensing as well as Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Other cool touches include a tailgate that is configurable when it comes to the height to which it will open.

The Nissan Rogue's big party trick is the availability of Nissan's ProPilot Assist suite of advanced driver-assistance aids. It's a bummer that this isn't standard equipment, but its availability is significant in that it's likely the most advanced ADAS system in a crossover. The rest of the Rogue's interior is OK but not exceptional.

In a world where crossovers seem to be slowly edging out all other types of vehicles, kind of like coral bleaching in the Great Barrier Reef, it's good to see that there are at least a few interesting developments by major players in the segment. None of these cars will light your hair on fire in terms of driving dynamics, but you could definitely do worse when it comes to sensible and not-totally-boring daily transportation that starts in the low-to-mid-$20,000 range.
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I think it looks overly busy, but like the Cherokee re-do the shock will wear off in a few years and it'll not merit a second glance.

I do appreciate that it moved to a heftier platform, though.
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See, I love boxy, and straight lines. The new RAV4 has it in spades. Hardly a curve.

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I think it looks overly busy, but like the Cherokee re-do the shock will wear off in a few years and it'll not merit a second glance.

I do appreciate that it moved to a heftier platform, though.
yep looks too much like a cherokee with a tundra front end
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They will not be able to make enough of these, and I will not complain a bit about that, rather I will pray for a TRD Pro version.
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The RAV4 Hybrid should be out in March with 41 mpg city, 37 highway, 39 combined.. It's basically a spacious, decent-looking Prius with easier ingress and an electric rear axle. They're gonna sell a boatload of them.
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So nobody is going to comment on the hexagonal fender flares that look identical to the VIZIV?




Things that make you go, "hmmm."
Because nobody gives a ****. Plenty of other companies have been doing it for well over a decade, long before Subaru (on production vehicles too; not just concept cars that will never come out).
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The wifey might need a new car in a couple of years, this will definitely be on the shortlist.

Posted this months ago, but still looks good. Saw a Forester Sport today on the road and

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Because nobody gives a ****. Plenty of other companies have been doing it for well over a decade, long before Subaru (on production vehicles too; not just concept cars that will never come out).
The point was that design language was being shared between Subaru and Toyota on 2 upcoming vehicles that had recently been unveiled, not about who did it first. Relevant 8 months ago when the comment was originally made.
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