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Old 01-10-2019, 02:45 PM   #26
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To the majority of people, its gone away. Most people don't attempt to haggle with phones just like most people dont try to haggle car sales or leases. If its not being advertised, technically its gone away. Also $450 off of a $800+ phone still doesn't equal paying $80 plus tax for a new iphone with 2 year renewal.
Prices were $99, $199, and $299 prior (many years ago) on subsidies. Phone prices went up. $450 off is the same damn thing. My end was $350 out of pocket. Sold my existing phone for $350 so net zero $ for the upgrade. Same as Iíve done since these things came out. Each one of these carriers has deals of some kind. BOGO, multiple lines, etc. They arenít going to make it super easy for you save money, you actually have to put in some work on your own. It hasnít gone away, those people just suck at negotiation. They want to be spoon fed, and they can pay for the privilege. If you arenít willing to research, negotiate, or hustle, then pay full price.

If people donít negotiate thatís on them. Doesnít mean the discount or money off is nonexistent like you say. I have to negotiate every year on my kWh plan for the house, home internet, Satellite bill, homeowners, auto insurance, name it. All of it is negotiable. Just like buying a car or leasing one, itís a negotiation. Those who do not negotiate get took. I got a XR a few months ago for $0 but I spent the time to research and negotiate as it was worth the time. Nobody is going to hand you free stuff in this world. If suckers want to pay itís on them.
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Prices were $99, $199, and $299 prior (many years ago) on subsidies. Phone prices went up. $450 off is the same damn thing. My end was $350 out of pocket. Sold my existing phone for $350 so net zero $ for the upgrade. Same as Iíve done since these things came out. Each one of these carriers has deals of some kind. BOGO, multiple lines, etc. They arenít going to make it super easy for you save money, you actually have to put in some work on your own. It hasnít gone away, those people just suck at negotiation. They want to be spoon fed, and they can pay for the privilege. If you arenít willing to research, negotiate, or hustle, then pay full price.

If people donít negotiate thatís on them. Doesnít mean the discount or money off is nonexistent like you say. I have to negotiate every year on my kWh plan for the house, home internet, Satellite bill, homeowners, auto insurance, name it. All of it is negotiable. Just like buying a car or leasing one, itís a negotiation. Those who do not negotiate get took. I got a XR a few months ago for $0 but I spent the time to research and negotiate as it was worth the time. Nobody is going to hand you free stuff in this world. If suckers want to pay itís on them.
Dude, youíre missing the point completely. The MAJORITY of people upgrading their iPhones are not aware of how to get phones for less or near 0. Just like most idiots donít know you haggle on leases. Using yourself as an example and applying it to the masses simply doesnít work.
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Not to go OT, but Iím hoping VW will change the suspension tuning and tire spec if theyíre going to up the power in the MKVIII. Simply adding power to an already delicate launcher is lazy. The eDiff and traction control do their best at current power levels, but the way the engine delivers its power it makes for a wild ride. Adding power should be the last item on the to do list.
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Not to go OT, but Iím hoping VW will change the suspension tuning and tire spec if theyíre going to up the power in the MKVIII. Simply adding power to an already delicate launcher is lazy. The eDiff and traction control do their best at current power levels, but the way the engine delivers its power it makes for a wild ride. Adding power should be the last item on the to do list.
True story.

I've got a MK7 GTI and I don't want for more power, that's for sure. Any more power and you're going to have to add AWD to make it usable and then you've got an R.
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Not to go OT, but Iím hoping VW will change the suspension tuning and tire spec if theyíre going to up the power in the MKVIII. Simply adding power to an already delicate launcher is lazy. The eDiff and traction control do their best at current power levels, but the way the engine delivers its power it makes for a wild ride. Adding power should be the last item on the to do list.
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True story.

I've got a MK7 GTI and I don't want for more power, that's for sure. Any more power and you're going to have to add AWD to make it usable and then you've got an R.
I think VW has already done their homework on this one: FWD Seat Leon Cupra 280. It's basically a 276 hp GTI with the same peak torque figure as our current GTI.
It's using their XDS/XDS+ brake-based torque vectoring assisted by their electro-mechanical VAQ spool/LSD (which, I understand, is standard equipment on the latest GTI).
But, yeah, I agree, it's still going to be somewhat of a handful .
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That's the GTI clubsport S. 306 hp, electric lsd. No AWD. Would be fine.

I doubt the base GTI will push 250. 300+ wil be reserved for the R and special edition GTI's so they can try to break ring records.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:36 PM   #32
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I'm on a corporate phone plan and we still have the 2 year upgrades for like 100 bucks. I upgrade every 2 years.
Me too, but I'm due in 8 months, and this is the first time I don't feel like upgrading my iPhone (7 Plus). I might take the new model from my company and sell it, and continue using the 7 Plus. But Apple may learn their lesson for 2019 models.
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Just give us more power on the Alltrak SEL, to match the sport seats and 6MT. I feel like the 1.8T has been 170 hp for like 10 years.
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Dude, youíre missing the point completely. The MAJORITY of people upgrading their iPhones are not aware of how to get phones for less or near 0. Just like most idiots donít know you haggle on leases. Using yourself as an example and applying it to the masses simply doesnít work.
Well most people are fíin idiots, period. They wouldnít know what to do with themselves if their apps, social media, and tv didnít tell them what to do.

BTW, most carriers got some kind of ďdealĒ going on right now.
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That's the GTI clubsport S. 306 hp, electric lsd. No AWD. Would be fine.

I doubt the base GTI will push 250. 300+ wil be reserved for the R and special edition GTI's so they can try to break ring records.
Shame...VOA and VOC is content with giving us a base or a 10hp bump in the performance version, while ROTW gets models like Clubsport or Clubsport S. Oh well, I'm probably going to keep my MK7 for quite a while longer.
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I don't see the next GTI coming with 300 hp. It's too close to R territory(and S3). My prediction is you'll see a modest bump to 260-270 or so to be on par with the WRX.
The GTI is under rated from the factory. They dyno WHP at or above the figures VW states. For 2015 cars the GTI (210 hp) has a 14.2 quarter mile time while the WRX (268 hp) has a 14 second time. If the Mk8 GTI has 260-270 hp (which will be wheel hp) itíll far surpass the WRX. I canít wait to see what VW releases. I love my 2015 WRX, but the GTIís motor is so far beyond ours itís sad. I donít need AWD and will be moving on once thereís a hot hatch that catches my attention. This is my first and last sedan. I need a hatch in my life again.
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The GTI is under rated from the factory. They dyno WHP at or above the figures VW states. For 2015 cars the GTI (210 hp) has a 14.2 quarter mile time while the WRX (268 hp) has a 14 second time. If the Mk8 GTI has 260-270 hp (which will be wheel hp) itíll far surpass the WRX. I canít wait to see what VW releases. I love my 2015 WRX, but the GTIís motor is so far beyond ours itís sad. I donít need AWD and will be moving on once thereís a hot hatch that catches my attention. This is my first and last sedan. I need a hatch in my life again.
The gti engine is superior, no doubt. But the wrx kills it in traction. Before i bought my r i drove an autobahn gti and on clean, dry, warm roads, it still lacked traction. From a roll the gti will do fine on clean dry roads, but in the real world thats rare.
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The gti engine is superior, no doubt. But the wrx kills it in traction. Before i bought my r i drove an autobahn gti and on clean, dry, warm roads, it still lacked traction. From a roll the gti will do fine on clean dry roads, but in the real world thats rare.
Part of that is the **** tires the car comes with. When I stuck my 1/2 worn Dunlopís from my WRX on my wifeís Ď16 GTI it mad a huge difference. Still not AWD but much better. I have the Quaife limited slip (PP) also which helps. Have a set of Indy 500s on her summer rims now but havenít installed them on the car yet. Based on my WRX they should be even better.
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The eighth generation of VW's best-selling car should debut this summer.

In 2002, the Golf became Volkswagenís bestseller of all time and is currently still the brandís best-selling model in Europe. It is set to enter its eighth generation in 2019, which should bring improvements on all fronts without touching the vehicleís DNA. Hereís everything we know about the new 2020 Golf plus several exclusive renderings of the car that preview the design changes.

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The Golf is, of course, Volkswagen most important model in terms of sales and ďthe benchmark and icon of compact cars.Ē Given the ever-growing demand for crossovers and SUVs, however, that might change at some point in the future, but, honestly, we canít see it coming soon Ė we predict it will remain VWís bestseller for at least several more years. Even if it loses the crown, the Golf will remain a fundamental vehicle for the German company and will contribute significantly to its growth.

Volkswagen first started talking about the new Golf during last yearís Golf 8 Supplier Summit when it released a vague teaser sketch. Another teaser image was published in December 2018 giving us a better preview of the carís overall profile.

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The first teaser images confirm Volkswagen will play it safe when it comes to the design of the new Golf. It will retain its traditional hatchback shape which will be combined with shorter overhangs and sharper lines for a sportier appearance. LED lights at the back with integrated sweeping turn signals and LED headlights up front should make it look a touch more premium than the current model. Optionally available, just like on the refreshed Passat for Europe, should be matrix LED headlights.

The changes will be way more drastic inside the cabin where we expect the conservative layout of the dashboard to be replaced by a high-tech two-screen arrangement inspired by the latest Volkswagen Touareg. The displays will be a bit smaller than on the SUV but the proportions will be similar. VWís third-generation infotainment system should be onboard together with the latest evolution of the automakerís digital instrument cluster.

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The Golf 8 will be lighter than the outgoing model and will get a 1.5-liter TSI with cylinder deactivation tech. A smaller 1.0-liter three-cylinder turbo unit should act as an entry-level option in most of the European markets, while customers on the Old Continent will also be able to buy a diesel-powered Golf. This one will have either a 1.6-liter or a 2.0-liter TDI diesel, which, when equipped with an automatic transmission, is expected to be among the best-selling configurations.

Most reports claim the next-generation of everyoneís favorite Golf GTI will carry on with a 2.0-liter turbo engine with an output of about 252 horsepower (188 kilowatts), available with either a six-speed manual or a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic. Just above it, Volkswagen will introduce a new Golf GTI TCR with 286 hp (213 kW). As a final note, the 1.5-liter TSI and 2.0-liter TDI powertrains will benefit from a 48-volt mild-hybrid system.

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Volkswagen has already confirmed production of the new Golf will begin in June this year with different sources claiming the online premiere of the car should happen later during the summer. Weíll probably see it in person for the first time at the 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show.
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The GTI is under rated from the factory. They dyno WHP at or above the figures VW states. For 2015 cars the GTI (210 hp) has a 14.2 quarter mile time while the WRX (268 hp) has a 14 second time. If the Mk8 GTI has 260-270 hp (which will be wheel hp) it’ll far surpass the WRX. I can’t wait to see what VW releases. I love my 2015 WRX, but the GTI’s motor is so far beyond ours it’s sad. I don’t need AWD and will be moving on once there’s a hot hatch that catches my attention. This is my first and last sedan. I need a hatch in my life again.
Apples to oranges. Full time AWD parasitic loss on the dyno vs FWD. About 200 lbs weight difference too. 2015 WRXs have been tested in 13's stock multiple times. Had both, EA888 and FA20, I find the FA to be superior outside of the factory tune. I miss having the hatch and I love the styling but the boxer and AWD sold me over the GTI. Subaru nailed it with the FA20 engine and the AWD is second to none but need to bring back a hatchback.
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Apples to oranges. Full time AWD parasitic loss on the dyno vs FWD. About 200 lbs weight difference too. 2015 WRXs have been tested in 13's stock multiple times. Had both, EA888 and FA20, I find the FA to be superior outside of the factory tune. I miss having the hatch and I love the styling but the boxer and AWD sold me over the GTI. Subaru nailed it with the FA20 engine and the AWD is second to none but need to bring back a hatchback.
what is superior about the fa? its powerband is far narrower and its less reliable/durable.
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what is superior about the fa? its powerband is far narrower and its less reliable/durable.
FA is the major reason I got a WRX over a GTI. Outside of the horrendous OEM tuning done by a third party and ancient ECM logic, the FA20 motor has been an absolute gem. Ten fold more reliable, sounds so much better, it has so much more character, pulls hard once tuned and doesn't go limp @ 5.5K RPM like the IS20, best of all zero check engine lights, zero oil consumption, no TD1 flags, no blown turbos... Wider power band, way more reliable and durable with much higher quality supporting parts like the Garret turbo v IHI crap, endless AM support...Just a breath of fresh air in comparison to be honest.
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FA is the major reason I got a WRX over a GTI. Outside of the horrendous OEM tuning done by a third party and ancient ECM logic, the FA20 motor has been an absolute gem. Ten fold more reliable, sounds so much better, it has so much more character, pulls hard once tuned and doesn't go limp @ 5.5K RPM like the IS20, best of all zero check engine lights, zero oil consumption, no TD1 flags, no blown turbos... Wider power band, way more reliable and durable with much higher quality supporting parts like the Garret turbo v IHI crap, endless AM support...Just a breath of fresh air in comparison to be honest.
i dont know where you are getting your info from, but the gti engine makes a ton more power stock and tuned. part of the reason i got rid of my 2016 wrx was the narrow powerband and lack of low end power. on hot days it was painful from a dead stop. pretty much floor it and wait 3 seconds before you have any power at all. even tuned it was a dog.

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i dont know where you are getting your info from, but the gti engine makes a ton more power stock and tuned. part of the reason i got rid of my 2016 wrx was the narrow powerband and lack of low end power. on hot days it was painful from a dead stop. pretty much floor it and wait 3 seconds before you have any power at all. even tuned it was a dog.

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WRX makes more power stock. Check out C&D and MT comparisons. Even from the links you posted MAP has both for R&D check out their YT videos for stage 2 1/4 mile runs.

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FA is the major reason I got a WRX over a GTI. Outside of the horrendous OEM tuning done by a third party and ancient ECM logic, the FA20 motor has been an absolute gem. Ten fold more reliable, sounds so much better, it has so much more character, pulls hard once tuned and doesn't go limp @ 5.5K RPM like the IS20, best of all zero check engine lights, zero oil consumption, no TD1 flags, no blown turbos... Wider power band, way more reliable and durable with much higher quality supporting parts like the Garret turbo v IHI crap, endless AM support...Just a breath of fresh air in comparison to be honest.
Excuse me sir, but one dwath not think you know what youíre talking. But I will sit back and watch the show unfold.
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I would say the GTI block is more reliable, but the accessories are not. Only issues I see at our shop with the FA are bent rods with big power and injector seal failures.

The power deliver is better with the GTI though for sure. Torque is there so much faster, which can be a problem with FWD (mine loved to do FWD burnouts lol)
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I would say the GTI block is more reliable, but the accessories are not. Only issues I see at our shop with the FA are bent rods with big power and injector seal failures.

The power deliver is better with the GTI though for sure. Torque is there so much faster, which can be a problem with FWD (mine loved to do FWD burnouts lol)
Ten fold. They have been using that block for a while. Iron block, pretty much closed deck. Pistons on the GTI are the weakest part, they like to crack due to high temps. R has beefed up pistons. IS20 torque comes much faster but turbo it is dead little over 5K. You can push way more torque down low but like you said the accessories like the clutch, IHI and axles will just scream nicht! nicht!
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Excuse me sir, but one dwath not think you know what you’re talking. But I will sit back and watch the show unfold.
Sweet. I probably owned more VWs than anyone here but please go on. In fact, the reason I owned so many VW's is why I am posting on NASIOC.
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Please just stop. WRX makes more power stock. Google is your friend. Check out C&D and MT comparisons. Fun fact for you, 2015 WRX was just as fast as a 2015 Golf R manual and the slower 2018 lapped it at the VIR according to C&D... At stage 2 they are similar. GTI makes more power on 93 stage 1. MAP has both for R&D check out their YT videos for stage 2 1/4 mile run. Pay attention to trap speed and times GTI vs WRX with similar mods on 93 same conditions....
im comparing engines. the gti engine is superior. chassis wise, the gti is obviously down 2 drive wheels and has a much softer suspension. it gives up performance for comfort and a much nicer interior. as far as the 2015 golf r, it has the same issue as the wrx and sti, not enough negative camber up front. the traction control also could not be defeated back then. as far as engine durability, you cant be serious. you can scour the vw forums all you want and there are hardly any blown engines on 2015+, especially ones that arent stage 2+. i can post dozens of blown 2015+ wrx engines, many of them stock. the rods are absolute garbage and they eat rod bearings.
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