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Old 07-07-2018, 05:38 PM   #526
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I had to leave partway through, did Ricciardo ever get his DRS flap repaired?
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Old 07-08-2018, 02:56 AM   #527
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Looking forward to the undercut.
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Old 07-08-2018, 09:20 AM   #528
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Kimi punted Lewis off the track.
Bad start from Lewis.
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Old 07-08-2018, 10:34 AM   #529
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Great scrap between the Ferrari's and Mercedes after the SC.
Bottas's tires went off.
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Old 07-08-2018, 11:01 AM   #530
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Double podium for Ferrari. If they can keep this momentum up they will take the drivers and constructors championships from Mercedes ending their years of dominance!
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Old 07-08-2018, 01:43 PM   #531
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Definitely thought Kimi deserved a penalty if Vettel got one last race. Why 10s instead of Vettels 5 for essentially the same thing?

I'm still confused by how they differentiate what they did vs what are deemed racing incidents from Verstapen.
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Old 07-08-2018, 02:06 PM   #532
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Definitely thought Kimi deserved a penalty if Vettel got one last race. Why 10s instead of Vettels 5 for essentially the same thing?

I'm still confused by how they differentiate what they did vs what are deemed racing incidents from Verstapen.
I'm a huge Vettel fan but he probably deserved 10s for his incident with Bottas in France.

Somewhat cynical but perhaps Raikkonen was treated harsher because he's a number 2 driver who hit a number 1 driver, whereas Vettel taking out Bottas could not possibly be considered a tactical choice by Ferrari as they stand to gain the most by having Vettel run a clean race and finish as high as possible.

More likely, maybe he was treated harsher because it was the second consecutive race where Ferrari drove too aggressively. Wonder if they will get a drive through penalty next race if they get three strikes...
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Old 07-08-2018, 02:21 PM   #533
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Didn't think Kimi did much wrong...just a racing deal. He stepped up and owned it.

Regardless, completely out on Lewis, and I hope the team gives him an earful. What a gigantic baby. Complete embarrassment from a behavior standpoint. He's not a kid anymore...
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:05 PM   #534
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Didn't think Kimi did much wrong...just a racing deal. He stepped up and owned it.

Regardless, completely out on Lewis, and I hope the team gives him an earful. What a gigantic baby. Complete embarrassment from a behavior standpoint. He's not a kid anymore...

Lol right? The crybaby reaction then the comment hinting at Kimi hitting him as part of strategy from Ferrari. He is the conspiracy theorist of F1.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:27 PM   #535
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I thought it was a good drive from Kimi today other than being a bit too aggressive the first lap.

He's driving like a man who might be looking for a job next season.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:48 PM   #536
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I thought it was a good drive from Kimi today other than being a bit too aggressive the first lap.

He's driving like a man who might be looking for a job next season.
He can't stay at Ferrari forever. Too much spry young talent like Ricciardo or Leclerc. Not saying this is his last season, or even next year, but the writing is on the wall. When the time comes, I wonder if he will go the Alonso route of making the best of a ****ty car somewhere in the midfield or simply retire gracefully.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:59 PM   #537
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He can't stay at Ferrari forever. Too much spry young talent like Ricciardo or Leclerc. Not saying this is his last season, or even next year, but the writing is on the wall. When the time comes, I wonder if he will go the Alonso route of making the best of a ****ty car somewhere in the midfield or simply retire gracefully.
Kimi back to NASCAR? IndyCar? World Rallycross? He's getting old...bet it's his last F1 season.
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Old 07-08-2018, 05:10 PM   #538
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Pos Driver Team
1 Vettel Ferrari
2 Hamilton Mercedes
3 Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Bottas Mercedes
5 Ricciardo Red Bull
6 Hulkenberg Renault
7 Ocon Force India
8 Alonso McLaren
9 Magnussen Haas
10 Perez Force India
11 Vandoorne McLaren
12 Stroll Williams
13 Gasly Toro Rosso
14 Sirotkin Williams
15 Verstappen Red Bull
Sainz Renault
Grosjean Haas
Ericsson Sauber
Leclerc Sauber
Hartley Toro Rosso

I'm too getting tired of Hamilton whining when he's not leading the race.
Maybe if he got off to a better start he would never got punted off.
Even if he didn't get punted off the race result would of been the same.
The Ferrari was too fast today. Once LH got beat off the start it was over.
Kimi a bit of a wildman on first lap the second race in a row.
LH blowing off the on track interview showed lack of sportsmanship.

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Old 07-08-2018, 07:25 PM   #539
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HAM is a good driver that should earn respect, but the crybaby stuff is just... off-putting. If he isn't winning, he's whining. How about not ****** up at the start in the first place to keep first place? Definitely my least favorite driver on the grid.
As far as Kimi goes, maybe he could jump into WEC racing after F1.
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Old 07-08-2018, 09:39 PM   #540
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Safety cars to the rescue again.

Solid action after that last one. Bottas needs to go. Dude has no killer instinct. Can't believe he let Vettel have the inside and then moved over when Hamilton tried to go by

There's a different person winning this race if Verstappen or Ricciardo was in Bottas' car at near the end of the race.
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:48 AM   #541
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It's hard to see what Hamilton was complaining about from a results point of view.

If Kimi hadn't hit him he probably would have ended up in second place behind Vettel anyway. Vettel was ahead at the time.

As it was he had to drive as hard as his tires/fuel would let him to recover. Driving like that is a lot more fun than motoring around even if it is exhausting.
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Safety cars to the rescue again.

Solid action after that last one. Bottas needs to go. Dude has no killer instinct. Can't believe he let Vettel have the inside and then moved over when Hamilton tried to go by

There's a different person winning this race if Verstappen or Ricciardo was in Bottas' car at near the end of the race.
Don't agree. Seeing how quickly he was swallowed up by everyone after losing the lead, I think it was pretty clear he didn't have enough tire left to defend. He was a sitting duck, and Horner said it during the safety car...that Bottas was the most exposed.
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:52 AM   #543
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Safety cars to the rescue again.

Solid action after that last one. Bottas needs to go. Dude has no killer instinct. Can't believe he let Vettel have the inside and then moved over when Hamilton tried to go by

There's a different person winning this race if Verstappen or Ricciardo was in Bottas' car at near the end of the race.
He was in front of 3 cars all with DRS wide open all on newer tires. There was nothing for him to do. The difference might be he finished the race and they'd have crashed out overheating their tires and spinning off the track. It's really impressive he held them off as long as he did.
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Except he didn't even try. Vettel goes around the outside and holds the position, fine.

Letting him have the inside is because Bottas is a bitch.
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:54 PM   #545
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Let's not forget that Bottas would have been stuck in an under performing Williams had the real B Nico Rosberg not retired.
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Except he didn't even try. Vettel goes around the outside and holds the position, fine.

Letting him have the inside is because Bottas is a bitch.
He held him for 3 laps or so, and the commentators were even commending him for using some "elbows". By that time his tires were obviously cooked, the only thing that would have done was caused a wreck, possibly taking him and Hamilton behind him out of points for the race.

Smart play is preserve the points, and cede the event. You're right Verstappen would've done it different, but look at his finish rate as a result.
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Old 07-10-2018, 01:37 PM   #547
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F1 should be 1 car teams.

Also....... Kimi did what everyone does: if it's your teammate you kind of avoid the contact (except HAM vs ROS). But if it's your title rival..... you do a half-arsed attempt to not technically do it on purpose, but if you crash you crash. Everyone does it.

So yes... Mercedes need to be ahead of the Ferrari and take off if they want to win. That's kind of the current state of F1. The "top" drivers by themselves are not that good to come out clean if the cars are somewhat evenly matched. VET will crash, Kimi will crash, VER will crash unless they are waaaaaaaaay ahead in a distant P1.

Same with Lewis. He's been up and down this season. Mercedes will still favour him over BOT anytime, but it doesn't look like he would pull it off unless the car is waaay better. Now that they are somewhat evenly matched, we're all seeing the weaknesses (in both VET and HAM).
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:02 PM   #548
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Too bad Kubica got hurt. He had a deal with Ferrari.
Alonso vs Kubica would of been a good team mate battle.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/900921...i-f1-deal-2012



F1: Kubica confirms he signed Ferrari F1 deal for 2012

Robert Kubica has revealed he signed a contract to drive for Ferrari in 2012 prior to suffering severe injuries in a rally crash that forced him out of Formula 1.

Then Renault driver Kubica suffered life-threatening injuries in a horrific rally crash in Andorra on the eve of the 2011 season, which cut-short his promising F1 career.

Remarkably, the Pole returned to the cockpit of modern-day F1 machinery last year as he took part in a series of tests with former team Renault and Williams.

He was considered for a full-time return to F1 with Williams this season, but the Grove-based squad ultimately opted to replace the retired Felipe Massa with Russian rookie Sergey Sirotkin, instead handing Kubica a reserve driver role for 2018.

A potential move to Ferrari had long been mooted as an option for Kubica had the rally crash not occured, but when asked by host Tom Clarkson in an official F1 podcast if he had agreed a deal to partner Fernando Alonso in 2012, Kubica replied: “Yes.

"[The] First [goal] is to enter F1. Second is to become an established driver in F1, so you have good value, a good reputation, which is more difficult than to enter.

“Third, you win a world championship or become a Ferrari driver. I haven't won a world championship, in the end I haven't become a Ferrari driver but I was very close.”

Kubica admitted he woke up a few days prior to the Ronde di Andora and did not want to compete, but went ahead with the event in his desire to improve as a driver, knowing he would not have had the opportunity again once he moved to Ferrari.

"I was not happy to be as good as I was," said Kubica. "I need more. I thought rallying would give me this. And it really gave me [that]. The problem is I paid too high a price.

“The fact is this was the last rally I was doing in my life, because I knew the team I was going to next year [2012] I was not allowed to rally.”

Kubica, who participated in a grand prix weekend for the first time since the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix earlier this year during practice in Spain and Austria, insisted he did not find his recovery period harder knowing he had agreed a switch to Maranello.

"My recovery was so hard that for the first 16-18 months it did not hurt," he said. “I was fighting, I was concentrating on recovery, I was going through a difficult period.

"The more time was going the more difficult it was becoming, because the hope that things can get sorted are disappearing.

"There were moments I was recovering extraordinarily good and there were then months when surgeries went wrong and I went back six months instead of improving.
"It was painful [not racing in F1] but it was not more painful because I knew I was going to race for Ferrari.”
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